Blue dippers A Sat 5th April KO 1230

[Limerick Gooner]

I can literally go back years for strange and odd decisions. Do you remember in the Emery season, we got a goal disallowed against Palace where Sokratis scored the winner. Literally nothing happened. Nothing at all. Brentford equaliser. Clearly offside. Bruno elbowing players with impunity but apparently it was a forearm not an elbow. Which would also be a red but was actually used an an excuse to justify a yellow. I remember Xhaka jumping in at City away and missing the ball by about a yard. Straight red given and yet Martinez At United regularly tried to two foot people but if he misses by an inch it’s all ok. We then have Luiz straight red and pen away to Wolves for someone brushing his knee as he ran behind them. Martinelli two yellows in one move. Tomiyasu sent off for a slow throw in and then a ghost second yellow dive. It’s an endless litany of shit. I keep a memory of it and it is beyond coincidence or due to shit reffing. We are reffed differently. The crowd/media/pundits frame Arsenal as cheats or as dirty and the refs are bought in to it. Subconscious bias whatever it is. It is costing us and other teams are getting away with the same and worse.

The one rare time we agree on something

[SteveO 35]

Suppose that the conspiracy theorists on here are right and supposedly there's an anti-Arsenal bias from officials. What should you propose that the club does about it?

According to the many on here the evidence is supposedly overwhelming. In any other walk of life if that was the case you surely would present your case to the relevant authority or governing body? I remember talk a couple of years back about how we were supposedly presenting our evidence etc but didn't hear much about it really

The more evidence we present, the worse it gets. There is no solution to it. Why does there need to be? We are just pointing out what is happening in plain sight.

I can literally go back years for strange and odd decisions. Do you remember in the Emery season, we got a goal disallowed against Palace where Sokratis scored the winner. Literally nothing happened. Nothing at all. Brentford equaliser. Clearly offside. Bruno elbowing players with impunity but apparently it was a forearm not an elbow. Which would also be a red but was actually used an an excuse to justify a yellow. I remember Xhaka jumping in at City away and missing the ball by about a yard. Straight red given and yet Martinez At United regularly tried to two foot people but if he misses by an inch it’s all ok. We then have Luiz straight red and pen away to Wolves for someone brushing his knee as he ran behind them. Martinelli two yellows in one move. Tomiyasu sent off for a slow throw in and then a ghost second yellow dive. It’s an endless litany of shit. I keep a memory of it and it is beyond coincidence or due to shit reffing. We are reffed differently. The crowd/media/pundits frame Arsenal as cheats or as dirty and the refs are bought in to it. Subconscious bias whatever it is. It is costing us and other teams are getting away with the same and worse.

There's no doubt that all those instances you mention were poor decisions, and as Arsenal fans we remember all of them. The point I'm making though is that supporters of other clubs say exactly the same thing, and statistically when you look at any of these league tables with/without VAR, ones where errors are corrected, then we aren't the worst. There's no point saying "show me all these examples of other clubs" because none of us support them, so frankly we're not sad enough to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of every Bournemouth, Everton and Wolves game from the past 5 years

I do remember Wolves being the club to vote against VAR and I remember Gary O'Neil quoting endless examples of injustices that had gone against them - some scandalous reffing at OT on the opening day a couple of years back springs to mind as does Man City's ridiculously late goal against them I think either late last season or early this. They clearly believed there was a ref agenda against them. I think they also had by far the longest run without a penalty despite showing endless incidents where they could have had one. At the time when he listed off the incidents, I remember thinking that I could totally understand how pissed he felt and I felt sorry for him

All I'm asking is that someone is capable of demonstrating beyond any reasonable doubt that we have way more of this against us than anyone else. It can't just be more injustices than Liverpool or Man Ure or any given club. We would need evidence that across 20 PL teams there was overwhelming evidence that we have far more go against us than for. If someone is capable of proving that, then I would immediately agree with all of you, and also suggest strongly that someone at board level asks for a meeting with PGMOL and whichever other authorities carry clout and demand some answers.

I want to make it clear here - I'm not saying we haven't had terrible decisions go against us. The MLS sending off was dire, as was Rice's, as was Trossard's etc etc. I also remember the double yellow for Martinelli at Wolves which was absolutely scandalous.

My argument is that refereeing standards have dropped for every club. Our refs didn't feature at the 2018 World Cup and for good reason and since then the standards have dropped further. Riley and then Webb have presided over an utter shit show and the pair of them should be banned from any sort of professional officiating body for life. They are all absolutely fucking awful and if we trawled the forums of other clubs I bet we would find equal numbers of complaints and conspiracy theories. I mean Ten Hag blames the awful decision at West Ham on getting him the sack - not saying I agree btw, but every team thinks the officials are against them

[Limerick Gooner]

Suppose that the conspiracy theorists on here are right and supposedly there's an anti-Arsenal bias from officials. What should you propose that the club does about it?

According to the many on here the evidence is supposedly overwhelming. In any other walk of life if that was the case you surely would present your case to the relevant authority or governing body? I remember talk a couple of years back about how we were supposedly presenting our evidence etc but didn't hear much about it really

The more evidence we present, the worse it gets. There is no solution to it. Why does there need to be? We are just pointing out what is happening in plain sight.

I can literally go back years for strange and odd decisions. Do you remember in the Emery season, we got a goal disallowed against Palace where Sokratis scored the winner. Literally nothing happened. Nothing at all. Brentford equaliser. Clearly offside. Bruno elbowing players with impunity but apparently it was a forearm not an elbow. Which would also be a red but was actually used an an excuse to justify a yellow. I remember Xhaka jumping in at City away and missing the ball by about a yard. Straight red given and yet Martinez At United regularly tried to two foot people but if he misses by an inch it’s all ok. We then have Luiz straight red and pen away to Wolves for someone brushing his knee as he ran behind them. Martinelli two yellows in one move. Tomiyasu sent off for a slow throw in and then a ghost second yellow dive. It’s an endless litany of shit. I keep a memory of it and it is beyond coincidence or due to shit reffing. We are reffed differently. The crowd/media/pundits frame Arsenal as cheats or as dirty and the refs are bought in to it. Subconscious bias whatever it is. It is costing us and other teams are getting away with the same and worse.

There's no doubt that all those instances you mention were poor decisions, and as Arsenal fans we remember all of them. The point I'm making though is that supporters of other clubs say exactly the same thing, and statistically when you look at any of these league tables with/without VAR, ones where errors are corrected, then we aren't the worst. There's no point saying "show me all these examples of other clubs" because none of us support them, so frankly we're not sad enough to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of every Bournemouth, Everton and Wolves game from the past 5 years

I do remember Wolves being the club to vote against VAR and I remember Gary O'Neil quoting endless examples of injustices that had gone against them - some scandalous reffing at OT on the opening day a couple of years back springs to mind as does Man City's ridiculously late goal against them I think either late last season or early this. They clearly believed there was a ref agenda against them. I think they also had by far the longest run without a penalty despite showing endless incidents where they could have had one. At the time when he listed off the incidents, I remember thinking that I could totally understand how pissed he felt and I felt sorry for him

All I'm asking is that someone is capable of demonstrating beyond any reasonable doubt that we have way more of this against us than anyone else. It can't just be more injustices than Liverpool or Man Ure or any given club. We would need evidence that across 20 PL teams there was overwhelming evidence that we have far more go against us than for. If someone is capable of proving that, then I would immediately agree with all of you, and also suggest strongly that someone at board level asks for a meeting with PGMOL and whichever other authorities carry clout and demand some answers.

I want to make it clear here - I'm not saying we haven't had terrible decisions go against us. The MLS sending off was dire, as was Rice's, as was Trossard's etc etc. I also remember the double yellow for Martinelli at Wolves which was absolutely scandalous.

My argument is that refereeing standards have dropped for every club. Our refs didn't feature at the 2018 World Cup and for good reason and since then the standards have dropped further. Riley and then Webb have presided over an utter shit show and the pair of them should be banned from any sort of professional officiating body for life. They are all absolutely fucking awful and if we trawled the forums of other clubs I bet we would find equal numbers of complaints and conspiracy theories. I mean Ten Hag blames the awful decision at West Ham on getting him the sack - not saying I agree btw, but every team thinks the officials are against them

A really good argument. I don’t think we need any encyclopaedic knowledge of football though. Just watch MOTD or ref watch. Do we ever see City or Liverpool on those shows as regularly as Arsenal? I honestly can’t remember City getting anything against them in several years apart from that ridiculous Rashford goal they allowed against United where he was offside and everyone stopped and then he ended up scoring. I can remember things going for them. A goal where Ake motioned to the ball and put the keeper off on offside position. I also remember Bernardo Silva vs Wolves where he literally pinned the keeper in an offside position then got himself onside for when the goal was scored. Rodri literally hand balled it against Everton and no pen was given which won City the title about 4 seasons ago. Then there was the Doku kung fu kick in to Macallister’s chest and no pen, which incidentally was a pro City decision. Liverpool were wronged on that and also to be fair they had an offside goal against Spurs which wasn’t offside. They tend to be one or two a season though. Not at the level we get. I can’t recall any soft pens or strange reds. Van Dijk and Konate get away with murder. Elbows and all sorts nothing given.

[SteveO 35]

Suppose that the conspiracy theorists on here are right and supposedly there's an anti-Arsenal bias from officials. What should you propose that the club does about it?

According to the many on here the evidence is supposedly overwhelming. In any other walk of life if that was the case you surely would present your case to the relevant authority or governing body? I remember talk a couple of years back about how we were supposedly presenting our evidence etc but didn't hear much about it really

The more evidence we present, the worse it gets. There is no solution to it. Why does there need to be? We are just pointing out what is happening in plain sight.

I can literally go back years for strange and odd decisions. Do you remember in the Emery season, we got a goal disallowed against Palace where Sokratis scored the winner. Literally nothing happened. Nothing at all. Brentford equaliser. Clearly offside. Bruno elbowing players with impunity but apparently it was a forearm not an elbow. Which would also be a red but was actually used an an excuse to justify a yellow. I remember Xhaka jumping in at City away and missing the ball by about a yard. Straight red given and yet Martinez At United regularly tried to two foot people but if he misses by an inch it’s all ok. We then have Luiz straight red and pen away to Wolves for someone brushing his knee as he ran behind them. Martinelli two yellows in one move. Tomiyasu sent off for a slow throw in and then a ghost second yellow dive. It’s an endless litany of shit. I keep a memory of it and it is beyond coincidence or due to shit reffing. We are reffed differently. The crowd/media/pundits frame Arsenal as cheats or as dirty and the refs are bought in to it. Subconscious bias whatever it is. It is costing us and other teams are getting away with the same and worse.

There's no doubt that all those instances you mention were poor decisions, and as Arsenal fans we remember all of them. The point I'm making though is that supporters of other clubs say exactly the same thing, and statistically when you look at any of these league tables with/without VAR, ones where errors are corrected, then we aren't the worst. There's no point saying "show me all these examples of other clubs" because none of us support them, so frankly we're not sad enough to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of every Bournemouth, Everton and Wolves game from the past 5 years

I do remember Wolves being the club to vote against VAR and I remember Gary O'Neil quoting endless examples of injustices that had gone against them - some scandalous reffing at OT on the opening day a couple of years back springs to mind as does Man City's ridiculously late goal against them I think either late last season or early this. They clearly believed there was a ref agenda against them. I think they also had by far the longest run without a penalty despite showing endless incidents where they could have had one. At the time when he listed off the incidents, I remember thinking that I could totally understand how pissed he felt and I felt sorry for him

All I'm asking is that someone is capable of demonstrating beyond any reasonable doubt that we have way more of this against us than anyone else. It can't just be more injustices than Liverpool or Man Ure or any given club. We would need evidence that across 20 PL teams there was overwhelming evidence that we have far more go against us than for. If someone is capable of proving that, then I would immediately agree with all of you, and also suggest strongly that someone at board level asks for a meeting with PGMOL and whichever other authorities carry clout and demand some answers.

I want to make it clear here - I'm not saying we haven't had terrible decisions go against us. The MLS sending off was dire, as was Rice's, as was Trossard's etc etc. I also remember the double yellow for Martinelli at Wolves which was absolutely scandalous.

My argument is that refereeing standards have dropped for every club. Our refs didn't feature at the 2018 World Cup and for good reason and since then the standards have dropped further. Riley and then Webb have presided over an utter shit show and the pair of them should be banned from any sort of professional officiating body for life. They are all absolutely fucking awful and if we trawled the forums of other clubs I bet we would find equal numbers of complaints and conspiracy theories. I mean Ten Hag blames the awful decision at West Ham on getting him the sack - not saying I agree btw, but every team thinks the officials are against them

A really good argument. I don’t think we need any encyclopaedic knowledge of football though. Just watch MOTD or ref watch. Do we ever see City or Liverpool on those shows as regularly as Arsenal? I honestly can’t remember City getting anything against them in several years apart from that ridiculous Rashford goal they allowed against United where he was offside and everyone stopped and then he ended up scoring. I can remember things going for them. A goal where Ake motioned to the ball and put the keeper off on offside position. I also remember Bernardo Silva vs Wolves where he literally pinned the keeper in an offside position then got himself onside for when the goal was scored. Rodri literally hand balled it against Everton and no pen was given which won City the title about 4 seasons ago. Then there was the Doku kung fu kick in to Macallister’s chest and no pen, which incidentally was a pro City decision. Liverpool were wronged on that and also to be fair they had an offside goal against Spurs which wasn’t offside. They tend to be one or two a season though. Not at the level we get. I can’t recall any soft pens or strange reds. Van Dijk and Konate get away with murder. Elbows and all sorts nothing given.

Tbh I don't know. I remember that clown Pep moaning earlier in the season about Rico Lewis being sent off and saying "its because its Rico" as if the whole world was somehow against them. I don't know how many times City have been wronged but I'm sure their fans would probably come up with a list. Mickeys fans still go on about Odegaard's absolutely blatant handball up there a couple of seasons back which the whole world thought was a penalty but wasn't given

I guess it proves the point really - fans will always remember the incidents where their team was wronged and casually breeze past the occasions when they benefitted.

If we have been wronged way more than anyone else, which I doubt but would accept if true, then the powers that be at the club really do have a duty to present that evidence and at the very least demand a meeting to discuss that evidence. If you felt you were being wrongly done or discriminated against at work, or it was happening to one of your kids at school, you would always act. Why haven't the club done more about it if the problem is so bad? I don't accept that they can't if the evidence is so overwhelming......well, unless our argument is that our club are totally incompetent at protecting our best interests

[John F]

Suppose that the conspiracy theorists on here are right and supposedly there's an anti-Arsenal bias from officials. What should you propose that the club does about it?

According to the many on here the evidence is supposedly overwhelming. In any other walk of life if that was the case you surely would present your case to the relevant authority or governing body? I remember talk a couple of years back about how we were supposedly presenting our evidence etc but didn't hear much about it really

The more evidence we present, the worse it gets. There is no solution to it. Why does there need to be? We are just pointing out what is happening in plain sight.

I can literally go back years for strange and odd decisions. Do you remember in the Emery season, we got a goal disallowed against Palace where Sokratis scored the winner. Literally nothing happened. Nothing at all. Brentford equaliser. Clearly offside. Bruno elbowing players with impunity but apparently it was a forearm not an elbow. Which would also be a red but was actually used an an excuse to justify a yellow. I remember Xhaka jumping in at City away and missing the ball by about a yard. Straight red given and yet Martinez At United regularly tried to two foot people but if he misses by an inch it’s all ok. We then have Luiz straight red and pen away to Wolves for someone brushing his knee as he ran behind them. Martinelli two yellows in one move. Tomiyasu sent off for a slow throw in and then a ghost second yellow dive. It’s an endless litany of shit. I keep a memory of it and it is beyond coincidence or due to shit reffing. We are reffed differently. The crowd/media/pundits frame Arsenal as cheats or as dirty and the refs are bought in to it. Subconscious bias whatever it is. It is costing us and other teams are getting away with the same and worse.

There's no doubt that all those instances you mention were poor decisions, and as Arsenal fans we remember all of them. The point I'm making though is that supporters of other clubs say exactly the same thing, and statistically when you look at any of these league tables with/without VAR, ones where errors are corrected, then we aren't the worst. There's no point saying "show me all these examples of other clubs" because none of us support them, so frankly we're not sad enough to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of every Bournemouth, Everton and Wolves game from the past 5 years

I do remember Wolves being the club to vote against VAR and I remember Gary O'Neil quoting endless examples of injustices that had gone against them - some scandalous reffing at OT on the opening day a couple of years back springs to mind as does Man City's ridiculously late goal against them I think either late last season or early this. They clearly believed there was a ref agenda against them. I think they also had by far the longest run without a penalty despite showing endless incidents where they could have had one. At the time when he listed off the incidents, I remember thinking that I could totally understand how pissed he felt and I felt sorry for him

All I'm asking is that someone is capable of demonstrating beyond any reasonable doubt that we have way more of this against us than anyone else. It can't just be more injustices than Liverpool or Man Ure or any given club. We would need evidence that across 20 PL teams there was overwhelming evidence that we have far more go against us than for. If someone is capable of proving that, then I would immediately agree with all of you, and also suggest strongly that someone at board level asks for a meeting with PGMOL and whichever other authorities carry clout and demand some answers.

I want to make it clear here - I'm not saying we haven't had terrible decisions go against us. The MLS sending off was dire, as was Rice's, as was Trossard's etc etc. I also remember the double yellow for Martinelli at Wolves which was absolutely scandalous.

My argument is that refereeing standards have dropped for every club. Our refs didn't feature at the 2018 World Cup and for good reason and since then the standards have dropped further. Riley and then Webb have presided over an utter shit show and the pair of them should be banned from any sort of professional officiating body for life. They are all absolutely fucking awful and if we trawled the forums of other clubs I bet we would find equal numbers of complaints and conspiracy theories. I mean Ten Hag blames the awful decision at West Ham on getting him the sack - not saying I agree btw, but every team thinks the officials are against them

I can see your point. Forest last season employed an ex-referee to examine all the poor decisions they received. If you look at the comments on the Palace v Brighton game on the BBC, it is all about the Referee. Some of the decisions are because of poor standards and backing up of a mate on the pitch, but I would not rule out Corruption. It has been found in Cricket, Tennis and Boxing. I can remember an incident involving Bruce Grobbelaar and match fixing. I would be surprised if it had gone away from football.
The PGMOL rely on fans being tribal to keep the spotlight away from what is going on.

[Thynker]

All football supporters suffer from a degree of paranoia. I have been told by an otherwise intelligent Liverpool supporter that both the media and the authorities hate them. He was at Anfield on Wednesday and uses the failure to send off Tarkowski as an example.
Yes, we all.agree it was a shocking foul and decision , or lack of decision, by the ref and VAR, but ultimately it didn't cost Liverpool points.
In that game Jota should also have been sent off for sarcastically applauding the officials immediately after being booked. Not a word about that, Mike Dean said it was a sensible decision by the referee to turn a blind eye. Well it wasn't because here is the difference, an Arsenal player would have walked for that.
That is not paranoia, that is a fact. The Rice sending off against Brighton is one that still hurts me,..the question was asked " what choice did he give the referee?"....Well logically the referee had a choice, he could have told the Brighton player to take the free kick from the correct position, and with a stationary ball as the law said. No drama required.
Trossard at City, the question was asked " what choices did the referee have?",.Well maybe apply commonsense and think, Tossard kicked a moving (not dead ) ball in less than one second of the whistle being blown he kicked it towards a colleague, not up the pitch in anger or to waste time..Again no drama required..Cost to Arsenal was two suspensions and a possible four points.
I didn't think yesterday's decision with MLS was correct, I can't understand how that can be reviewed by a professional referee and allowed to happen.
So am I a paranoid Arsenal supporter for saying those type of decisions don't generally go against other teams ? Or is there a bigger picture and there is orchestrated bias against Arsenal.?
It isn't new either, before VAR we had the 2001 FA Cup Final and the " 50th " game of the Invincibles. Certainly at Old Trafford we were not getting a result and no one can say otherwise, it was a fix.

After the MLS red at Wolves there’s zero point in analysing decisions that go against us anymore. If you’re looking for logic, or some kind of explanation you won’t find it. VAR looked at that and agreed with the on-field decision. A total farce.

Only on the back of widespread universal condemnation of the decision did if get overturned and even then PGMOL were sticking to their guns saying they can understand why it was given as a red.

Cheating in plain sight -

Referee: "I’m going to go red card, mate. Red card on the ankle. Red card, serious foul play."

VAR: "Just checking the red card for serious foul play. OK, it’s for serious foul play, not DOGSO (Denying an Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity).

“OK, for me the contact's on the top of the foot."

Assistant VAR: "I think he catches him on the side of the ankle first. It glances off the side of the ankle down onto the foot. So the first impact is more that Achilles area."

VAR: "So first impact is on the Achilles, on the shin."

Assistant VAR: "With no chance of playing the ball."

VAR: "So, it’s high up above the ankle then it comes back down. OK, just get me the number please."

Assistant VAR: "It’s number 49, Lewis-Skelly."

VAR: "Michael, confirming the on-field decision of red card for serious foul play for Myles Lewis-Skelly. Away, 49. Check complete."

Check complete indeed

The Achilles tendon is most definitely not in the shin

[rodders999]

Just take the decisions in isolation. Would a penalty have been awarded against Liverpool for that exact same incident yesterday?

If Van Dijk clashed heads with someone in the box would he concede a penalty?

If Salah tipped the ball away while being booted up into the air would he get sent off?

Would McAllister get a straight red in a game for making the same foul as MLS at Wolves?

If you feel the answer to all those questions is yes then everything is all ok.

If you answered no however, there’s a big problem. And as far as I’m concerned there’s a big fucking problem.

[General]

The ref saw a tussle then a tumble by the Everton player which led him to believe that he’d been fouled. However, VAR should’ve stepped in and corrected the decision. Any contact was most definitely outside the box and certainly wasn’t enough for the player to go down. There’s no real strong desire by these referees to overturn decisions against us. When it goes for us, like Saliba’s initial yellow against Bournemouth, they stick their noses in and convince everyone the referee has made a clear and obvious error. They just seek to reinforce the worst possible outcome. Hardly any replays or forensic analysis yesterday, and tbh I was surprised MLS didn’t receive a red card or at least a yellow. If that was a penalty then it should’ve been DOGSO but they could barely justify the penalty decision.
Howard Webb has somehow made PGMOL worse than it was under Mike Riley. I hate the way he communicates and I’m convinced there’s a lot of chaos going on behind the scenes. The onfield officials and VAR need to be completely independent operations to eliminate the muddled and inconsistent decision making.

[Limerick Gooner]

The other thing with yesterday was that Everton had a pen wrongly chalked off by VAR against United. A complete clusterfuck of a decision in itself. They were never overturning it yesterday even though any “foul” was clearly outside of the box.

[Limerick Gooner]

Just take the decisions in isolation. Would a penalty have been awarded against Liverpool for that exact same incident yesterday?

If Van Dijk clashed heads with someone in the box would he concede a penalty?

If Salah tipped the ball away while being booted up into the air would he get sent off?

Would McAllister get a straight red in a game for making the same foul as MLS at Wolves?

If you feel the answer to all those questions is yes then everything is all ok.

If you answered no however, there’s a big problem. And as far as I’m concerned there’s a big fucking problem.

Bang on the money.

[SteveO 35]

Just take the decisions in isolation. Would a penalty have been awarded against Liverpool for that exact same incident yesterday?

If Van Dijk clashed heads with someone in the box would he concede a penalty?

If Salah tipped the ball away while being booted up into the air would he get sent off?

Would McAllister get a straight red in a game for making the same foul as MLS at Wolves?

If you feel the answer to all those questions is yes then everything is all ok.

If you answered no however, there’s a big problem. And as far as I’m concerned there’s a big fucking problem.

Bang on the money.

In which case those who are responsible for the wellbeing of this football club should be doing more - agitating on the club's behalf. As has been said on here, Forest hired someone who was in there with the refs - is it a coincidence how their fortunes have changed? Maybe it is, but it couldn't have harmed

The other question I have is why us? You can't just say because everyone hates us as if its an undeniable fact. What is it about us as a football club that makes it go against us? Limerick mentioned incidents that go back to Emery's day so can it all just be about Arteta? What has our club done to turn the whole PGMOL against us so much compared to other clubs? I can't see the logic myself. People don't just wake up one day hating somebody or some club - there would have to be some deep rooted reason that runs through the veins of every referee and everyone working in the VAR studio. So what can drive so much bias and hatred?

[rodders999]

A good chunk of it stems from Wenger’s time when he rightly called out the piss poor standard of officiating. His comment about no English refs going to the World Cup despite them being professional (only the PL and Serie
A refs were professional at the time) and various other jibes he aimed at them definitely cut close to the bone for the likes of Howard Webb and co.

The shit he used to constantly give them on the sideline led to a bias against us too. Refs/4th officials knew going into our games that he’d be flapping and moaning for the 90 minutes, constantly in the 4th officials ear and moaning at the ref. That behaviour definitely leads to instances where the ref will go “fuck this prick” and we end up getting harshly treated.

And as more and more of those shit decisions go against you it almost becomes acceptable and the norm. We pretty much became the opposite of whiskey nose’s united side. They’d get every decision going and we’d get fuck all. Us getting treated poorly became the norm, they getting away with murder became the norm.

And all that shit leads to the to the greatest stitch up in PL history- game 49 at Old Trafford where they got away with absolute murder because that was the norm. Likewise we’d have had 3 sent off if we’d have behaved that way in the game.

It’s just become ingrained to give decisions against us that the same ref would never dream of giving against city, Liverpool or united.

Unless the league tears down PGMOL and outsources the job then nothing will change. The refs are all from the north west and biased decisions will continue to happen that favours teams from that area.

[rodders999]

Jarred Gillett is a Liverpool fan and he’s not allowed ref any of their games as a result. But there’s no issue with him reffing games involving their rivals. It’s a fucking joke, you wouldn’t see it in any other walk of life.

If you or me were allowed ref a scum or Liverpool game would we be white as white or would we less inclined to give them decisions? It’s a fucking farce

[rodders999]

And as if to rubber stamp everything being said on this thread today a stone wall penalty for Fulham isn’t given by Mr. You Left Me No Choice Chris Kavanagh.

Burn it down FFS

[Limerick Gooner]

And as if to rubber stamp everything being said on this thread today a stone wall penalty for Fulham isn’t given by Mr. You Left Me No Choice Chris Kavanagh.

Burn it down FFS

Clearly bent. We give away a penalty that never was. They get away with one that was as stonewall as you will ever see. It is all in plain sight.