Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[OneBardGooner]

Everyone that has even a small clue about the game can see we have needed a striker of quality for years. Arteta to choose to ignore the absolute obvious that a quality forward minimum added to a left winger have been required to give us a real chance to win a title and help take the burden off Saka is so blindingly obvious.

Nketiah, Jesus and Havertz have been our main options the last four seasons combined, poor to bang average in quality.

Jesus at best 10-12 goals a season striker, three seasons with us, with injuries returns of 11, 4 and 3 PL goals.

Havertz at best 10-15 goals a season striker slightly better, returns of 13 last season, 9 this in 23 games so maybe 15 if not injured but simply not enough firepower.

Arteta and Berta have to this summer hang their hat on the striker that will at least get 20 PL goals, 14 draws,4 defeats many of them games we have either not scored or only once, it's make or break time.

Just checked 18 PL games 24/5 we have either not scored or only once, real wasted opportunity this season and thats on Arteta and the board.

If he doesn't win either the Prem (+ FA Cup?) And / or the CL and push whomever does win the Prem right till the last day... Then he HASTO GO.

[Arsenal Till I Die]

This SHOULD be his 'do or die' season, to be honest. Minimum bar should be a League Cup win. It's time to deliver SOMETHING.

I said this last July and I stand by it. This season should have been his ‘do or die.’ It’s inexcusable now, and quite frankly negligible by the board, to allow this charlatan of a manager ANOTHER summer and ANOTHER season, after squad mismanagement and clear regression.

I really wish they’d just fucking sack him now. I fucking hate the smug cûnt.

[DB10GOONER]

A novice should never have been appointed and it’s an embarrassment that a club of our supposed stature has gifted Arteta 5+ years to try to learn the trade.

He peaked last season and with the same squad, plus a couple of bang average additions that he wanted, we have regressed significantly this term.

He needs to go and a genuinely big club with big club ambitions would now cut him loose. We won’t of course. We’re in the midst of another Wenger cycle.

This transfer window will be defining. I’m not optimistic.

^^ This. Every word.

[augie]

Good to see Henry highlight the issue with cone boy - I wonder if he will face a backlash from the cone boy fans (its a wenger like cult ), or being a genuine club legend will those fans take on board what he said instead of dismissing it when the likes of us say it. I said some time back how poorly it reflects on our club ambitions that despite winning 2 trophies in his last 2 seasons ten haag rightly got the bullet from manu for underperforming, but our moron is under no pressure despite winning nothing since he started spending the huge transfer chest (almost £800m)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... nited.html

[OneBardGooner]

Couldn't read that without agreeing to all kinds of stuff; cookies etc which are a nuisance.

However I did come across this which is where the mail got their story from.


I wouldn't usually give the time of day to Anything with Rat Face Neville or Spit the Scouse in, but it is (literally)
a 'Sit Down and Chat with TH14', where they pose the occasional question etc, but they just let him talk (about his beginnings as a Player to his time with and leaving Arsenal) so I decided to watch and it is REALLY Good...

If you don't want to watch it from the beginning, the bit that Augie pointed out is at 1hr 11 minutes and well worth a watch / listen where he talks about Arteta .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFR07iPUnZM


As usual with YT the Ads can be a pain in the derrière, but it is definitely a Very Good watch.

[Gunner Rob]

This SHOULD be his 'do or die' season, to be honest. Minimum bar should be a League Cup win. It's time to deliver SOMETHING.

I said this last July and I stand by it. This season should have been his ‘do or die.’ It’s inexcusable now, and quite frankly negligible by the board, to allow this charlatan of a manager ANOTHER summer and ANOTHER season, after squad mismanagement and clear regression.

I really wish they’d just fucking sack him now. I fucking hate the smug cûnt.

The problem is that the club are blatantly not interested in winning the lesser cups (FA cup and League Cup) and Arteta is not capable of winning the bigger cups (CL and league ).

I was going nuts on here this season when we prioritised the CL group matches over everything else, but that’s basically where we are at. There is more money involved in what Arteta is achieving and that’s why he is at zero risk of getting sacked.

We have got to remember that the Kroenke’s are only interested in the bottom line. Stan Kroenke famously said a few years ago that he wasn’t interested in winning trophies at Arsenal, and that’s where we are at. It’s why there was no interest in buying a striker in January. Arteta had steered the club to 2nd place again - job done.

It is pretty depressing, but if it wasn’t Arteta then we would be experiencing all this under another manager. Rinse and repeat ….

[Red Army 2]

"Manchester United have played in five finals in the last five years, the United that everyone laughs at - whereas for Arsenal in the last three years of building, they've not reached a final," said Henry.


TH14 ....says it all......

[Gunner Rob]

Ultimately it has been 5 years of failure - and I don’t see things changing anytime soon

[augie]

If God announced last summer that there would be 3 trophies won by london clubs in the 24/25 season, you would have got long odds on AFC winning none of them, but of course that is exactly how it has played out, In the Stick to Football podcast it was put to Henry that in the last few seasons the cone boy has been building, and henry responded by saying that it must be a very big building that he is building at this stage He added that despite the narrative by some suggesting otherwise, we didnt challenge the victims for the league this season despite the fact we came second

[Bradywasking]

If God announced last summer that there would be 3 trophies won by london clubs in the 24/25 season, you would have got long odds on AFC winning none of them, but of course that is exactly how it has played out, In the Stick to Football podcast it was put to Henry that in the last few seasons the cone boy has been building, and henry responded by saying that it must be a very big building that he is building at this stage He added that despite the narrative by some suggesting otherwise, we didnt challenge the victims for the league this season despite the fact we came second

Coming second in the season that just finished felt a bit like coming second to Leicester in 2016 or Manchester United in 2001...It was over long before the end...

[OneBardGooner]

"Manchester United have played in five finals in the last five years, the United that everyone laughs at - whereas for Arsenal in the last three years of building, they've not reached a final," said Henry.


TH14 ....says it all......

As TH14 said in that thing (see above) We need ONE Cup.... Yes we had the FA Cup during the Covid season....meanwhile Manure have won Trophies under ten hag, even the Scum have secured a Cup under Fat Ange and now the Chavs have won a Cup under their new manager... whereas what have we done? ... Come a close second Twice! Ohh! Whoopeee Fuckin' Do!

[Red Army 2]

If God announced last summer that there would be 3 trophies won by london clubs in the 24/25 season, you would have got long odds on AFC winning none of them, but of course that is exactly how it has played out, In the Stick to Football podcast it was put to Henry that in the last few seasons the cone boy has been building, and henry responded by saying that it must be a very big building that he is building at this stage He added that despite the narrative by some suggesting otherwise, we didnt challenge the victims for the league this season despite the fact we came second

agree scouse won it so easy absoluetly no pressure on them.....TBH they aint that good a team

[Red Army 2]

If God announced last summer that there would be 3 trophies won by london clubs in the 24/25 season, you would have got long odds on AFC winning none of them, but of course that is exactly how it has played out, In the Stick to Football podcast it was put to Henry that in the last few seasons the cone boy has been building, and henry responded by saying that it must be a very big building that he is building at this stage He added that despite the narrative by some suggesting otherwise, we didnt challenge the victims for the league this season despite the fact we came second

agree scouse won it so easy absoluetly no pressure on them.....TBH they aint that good a team

hes made us a fuckin laughing stock...away fans singing tottenham have won more than you

[Gunner Rob]

"Manchester United have played in five finals in the last five years, the United that everyone laughs at - whereas for Arsenal in the last three years of building, they've not reached a final," said Henry.


TH14 ....says it all......

As TH14 said in that thing (see above) We need ONE Cup.... Yes we had the FA Cup during the Covid season....meanwhile Manure have won Trophies under ten hag, even the Scum have secured a Cup under Fat Ange and now the Chavs have won a Cup under their new manager... whereas what have we done? ... Come a close second Twice! Ohh! Whoopeee Fuckin' Do!

Probably helps to play your best team if you are trying to win a trophy.
I will give you an example - Declan Rice was rested for the FA Cup match v Man United, but he played in the dead rubber CL group match v Zagreb later that month.

The club are not bothered by either the FA Cup or league cup so we will never win those again.
To be fair to Arteta, the club haven’t bothered with the league cup since Wenger arrived at the club, but it wasn’t noticeable because Wenger did pay a lot of respect to the FA Cup.

It doesn’t help that the new fanbase at the Emirates are also increasingly only bothered by the league and CL

[Red Army 2]

about 3 years ago we was playing terrific football, really thrashing teams.....going great but got derailed with the saliba injury...yes we needed additions but the team went for it....

then billy big bollocks said we need to change ,,,,its not good enough we need to control games....all around possession football...passing out from goalkeeper.....lots of sideways short passing...basically boring shit

yes and opposing teams are now set up accordingly....defend like crazy.... then the quick break..FFS southampton were doing it on sunday....scored one and could have easily had a second

then with that type of game theres a chance the opposition makes a rare breakaway and score...with very litte chances....

manager is out of his depth...FFS you only have to mention that lazy shit sterling to prove he has no idea