Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[Nick Nack]

Well the next level is the next level after all.

Noooooooooooooooo

[John F]

My worry is whether Arteta has the will to change his tactics with the sqaud he has now.Every decent manager can predict that he is going to play inverted full backs,stick with one up top and attack down the wings.My last game was the Brentford game and it nearly put me off football for life.Slow predictable play with continuous aimless balls in and around the penalty area.He now has the chance not to play his favourite s and maybe against low block teams have a go at 442 or use the full backs down the wings.I am not confident Arteta will suddenly become a manager that other managers can not work out.He manages like he played.

[Nick Nack]

My worry is whether Arteta has the will to change his tactics with the sqaud he has now.Every decent manager can predict that he is going to play inverted full backs,stick with one up top and attack down the wings.My last game was the Brentford game and it nearly put me off football for life.Slow predictable play with continuous aimless balls in and around the penalty area.He now has the chance not to play his favourite s and maybe against low block teams have a go at 442 or use the full backs down the wings.I am not confident Arteta will suddenly become a manager that other managers can not work out.He manages like he played.

I think Diet Pep is going to have to make some difficult decisions that might upset the fanboys.

On the assumption that Gyokeres will sign, and that Madueke cost c.£50m, it's unlikely that they would have been bought as benchwarmers. Assuming that Havertz and Saka are favourites and he opts for Rice, Zubamendi and the bloke from Brentford in central midfield, that doesn't leave much room for Captain Milksop and Martinelli in the starting line-up. But that would bring more pace and more attacking options, which have been shite for years.

I can see Martinelli taking on the Trossard role assuming Trossard leaves.

Not much room for Jesus, and I have doubts about whether Nwaneri will be managed properly. But given that he has signed a contract extension then he must have been given assurances.

But it's Diet Pep we are talking about here and his decision making often leaves me bewildered

[Arsenal Till I Die]

Well said.

[John F]

Well said.

He is spot on.That is what I found so depressing about the Spud game even if it was a friendly. No change to either managers approach from the drawn Brentford home game.Frank like other managers knows exactly what Arteta is going to do and sets up accordingly.

[TeeCee]

Sign Eze and I feel we really are on the cusp of greatness

[Retro Gunner]

Well said.

Don’t know who the bloke is, but he’s exactly right.

[OneBardGooner]

Well said.

Don’t know who the bloke is, but he’s exactly right.

Amazingly he is one of the AFTV Mob.

[SteveO 35]

One thing's for sure, last season was a massive backward step in so many ways. Not just lack of trophies or points gap, but just the nature of the way we played so boringly, so predictably and for so many games. Barring the Real Madrid and Man City home wins, the memory has to be pushed really hard to think about many games that got the juices flowing.

If I compare it to the previous season, we were nigh on perfect in the second half barring that Villa defeat, playing great football, dominating teams and scoring bucketloads. The year before that the wheels came off in the last 8 games or so, but again to that point we'd played some of the most entertaining football I'd seen in years.

Its almost like he's done a Wenger when that 08/09 team broke up. There wasn't much wrong with it - Greedy was scoring bucketloads, Cesc was as good as anyone, it needed some CDM and CB muscle and the whole fucking world knew it. Instead he changed the very things that made it a good team and still didn't solve what was missing. I feel like Arteta is taking a similar path and its painful man! It's almost like, swap Martinelli for a winger who actually knows how to cross a ball, give Odegaard 8-10 games to see if he can really do it (and if not then Nwaneri, Dowman and possibly Eze can), give Gyokeres a backup option from the bench so its not all on him (Watkins will do), and as far as I could see the rest is nigh on perfect. Defence consistently the best in the league, Saka world class, Deccers as good as anyone around etc. Just let them free. Instead it seems like we've gone for this boring as shite, Pep lite keep the ball at all costs shite (and we're not alone in that as just about every other fucking team seem to think its great too)

Honestly, just go back to how we were second half of 23/24, bring in those 2 or 3 additions and have the squad depth. It wasn't far away from it. Instead, we fucked about with too many parts last season and ended up going backwards

Its the ultimate test season for him isn't it

[mcdowell42]

@David_Ornstein via @TheAthleticFC:

Although there is the sense of external pressure building on Mikel Arteta to deliver this is not replicated internally as they are very satisfied with the progress he’s brought.

[DB10GOONER]

@David_Ornstein via @TheAthleticFC:

Although there is the sense of external pressure building on Mikel Arteta to deliver this is not replicated internally as they are very satisfied with the progress he’s brought.

Fucking retard Ornstein.

In other news, water is wet.

[beck]

Well said.

He is spot on.That is what I found so depressing about the Spud game even if it was a friendly. No change to either managers approach from the drawn Brentford home game.Frank like other managers knows exactly what Arteta is going to do and sets up accordingly.

Arteta has a better record over Frank than Guardiola & Klopp
won 6
drawn 2
lost 1
for 14
against 7

[Perryashburtongroves]

@David_Ornstein via @TheAthleticFC:

Although there is the sense of external pressure building on Mikel Arteta to deliver this is not replicated internally as they are very satisfied with the progress he’s brought.

We've been down this road before. Contract extension regardless of what happens this season. No excuses now. He has to win the league.

[Gunner Rob]

@David_Ornstein via @TheAthleticFC:

Although there is the sense of external pressure building on Mikel Arteta to deliver this is not replicated internally as they are very satisfied with the progress he’s brought.

We've been down this road before. Contract extension regardless of what happens this season. No excuses now. He has to win the league.

Why does he ?

The club and the vast majority of the fans who attend matches are fully behind Arteta.

*i think he should be sacked but he won’t be for the foreseeable future

[Arsenal Till I Die]

Well it depends on Arteta, to be honest. I think we all expect he will persist with playing the Gangly German Giraffe up front ahead of Gyökeres. If that’s the case (likely as he’ll not drop Havertz with out a fight) then it will prove unpopular with the fans, who want the new star striker to play, the board who’d want to know why the new star striker is not playing, and the dressing room when the Gangly German Giraffe continues to miss chances game in, game out while the new star striker sits in the bench.