Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[Perryashburtongroves]

@David_Ornstein via @TheAthleticFC:

Although there is the sense of external pressure building on Mikel Arteta to deliver this is not replicated internally as they are very satisfied with the progress he’s brought.

We've been down this road before. Contract extension regardless of what happens this season. No excuses now. He has to win the league.

Why does he ?

The club and the vast majority of the fans who attend matches are fully behind Arteta.

*i think he should be sacked but he won’t be for the foreseeable future

The time in the role, the money spent on players, the almost constant messages for the last three seasons about being very close to winning the league, the fact that he's now got the one role filled that we were lead to believe was holing us back and the relative lack of quality in the rest of the league. I don't think he will be gone if we don't win the league but in order for it not to end up even more like the 2008-18 years, we need to see the club demanding success and not indulging the 'We gave it a go' mentality. I've reached the stage where if he doesn't win it this coming season, he never will.

[OneBardGooner]

@David_Ornstein via @TheAthleticFC:

Although there is the sense of external pressure building on Mikel Arteta to deliver this is not replicated internally as they are very satisfied with the progress he’s brought.

We've been down this road before. Contract extension regardless of what happens this season. No excuses now. He has to win the league.

Why does he ?

The club and the vast majority of the fans who attend matches are fully behind Arteta.

*i think he should be sacked but he won’t be for the foreseeable future

The time in the role, the money spent on players, the almost constant messages for the last three seasons about being very close to winning the league, the fact that he's now got the one role filled that we were lead to believe was holing us back and the relative lack of quality in the rest of the league. I don't think he will be gone if we don't win the league but in order for it not to end up even more like the 2008-18 years, we need to see the club demanding success and not indulging the 'We gave it a go' mentality. I've reached the stage where if he doesn't win it this coming season, he never will.

^^^This 1,000%^^^

[shu]

but hang on , we have moved on but so have Liverpool .If we finish second to them and especially if you buy Isak you cant put this season on Arteta , you have to be realistic but if we sign Eze then we will pretty much have the squad we wanted .

Look i think Arteta fucked up last season never having a credible plan B when that winker Sesko turned us down (i hope that crunt flops) but that is in the past.

[OneBardGooner]

but hang on , we have moved on but so have Liverpool .If we finish second to them and especially if you buy Isak you cant put this season on Arteta , you have to be realistic but if we sign Eze then we will pretty much have the squad we wanted .

Look i think Arteta fucked up last season never having a credible plan B when that winker Sesko turned us down (i hope that crunt flops) but that is in the past.

Yes, but Shu... Arteta does Not have a "Plan B".... Just like his In-Game Tactics (He doesn't have a Scooby... and for me besides Utter Fuck-Ups by players like Clive (against the ScouseFilth who we were steam rolling 2 - Nil at theirs) Arteta's Inability to change his game plan and what & how the team are playing a particular opponent won't change. He "knew" 100% that we needed a striker and what did he do? He Bought Havertz; who although he can be affective up-front is NO Striker... We had our chance 2 seasons ago to win the title... and because of his Stubbornness and Lack of Experience we Blew it!

And even if we do get Eze; who for me is a Game Changer (though mantis would disagree ) and if Gyokeres, Zubimendi and the rest do work out, it is because of his flaws as a Manager that I am not confident of us pulling it off this season.... I would Dearly LOVE to be proven Wrong...and would happily say 'Yes He was Right I was Wrong' ... But his track record of in-game management or rather lack of it and how he persists in selecting players who are obviously his favourites; (Odegaard & Havertz ) when they are out of form or whatever...

To be a successful manager you have to be "Ruthless" and he is not Ruthless Enough. I wish it weren't true.

[augie]

but hang on , we have moved on but so have Liverpool .If we finish second to them and especially if you buy Isak you cant put this season on Arteta , you have to be realistic but if we sign Eze then we will pretty much have the squad we wanted .

Look i think Arteta fucked up last season never having a credible plan B when that winker Sesko turned us down (i hope that crunt flops) but that is in the past.

It's not that black and white though is it ? If he stays loyal to captain coward and he does another disappearing act, then wont that be on the cone boy ? If we drop points cos of mistakes stemming from a keeper fannying around on the ball thinking he is pele, then isnt that on the cone boy ? If he gives the chav reject a load of game time to try and play himself into "form" without success, then isnt that on the cone boy too ?

I still 100% believe that this inept fool could be put in charge of the greatest teams in football history and still not win the big prizes cos he simply does not know how - he was a mid level club as a player himself, so he does not know what it takes to win the big prizes, and doesnt have any appreciation or awareness of the x factor traits winning players possess like personality and willingness to bend rules to achieve the ultimate goals, because he himself never had them or never witnessed them in any team he played in

[the playing mantis]

but hang on , we have moved on but so have Liverpool .If we finish second to them and especially if you buy Isak you cant put this season on Arteta , you have to be realistic but if we sign Eze then we will pretty much have the squad we wanted .

Look i think Arteta fucked up last season never having a credible plan B when that winker Sesko turned us down (i hope that crunt flops) but that is in the past.

Yes, but Shu... Arteta does Not have a "Plan B".... Just like his In-Game Tactics (He doesn't have a Scooby... and for me besides Utter Fuck-Ups by players like Clive (against the ScouseFilth who we were steam rolling 2 - Nil at theirs) Arteta's Inability to change his game plan and what & how the team are playing a particular opponent won't change. He "knew" 100% that we needed a striker and what did he do? He Bought Havertz; who although he can be affective up-front is NO Striker... We had our chance 2 seasons ago to win the title... and because of his Stubbornness and Lack of Experience we Blew it!

And even if we do get Eze; who for me is a Game Changer (though mantis would disagree ) and if Gyokeres, Zubimendi and the rest do work out, it is because of his flaws as a Manager that I am not confident of us pulling it off this season.... I would Dearly LOVE to be proven Wrong...and would happily say 'Yes He was Right I was Wrong' ... But his track record of in-game management or rather lack of it and how he persists in selecting players who are obviously his favourites; (Odegaard & Havertz ) when they are out of form or whatever...

To be a successful manager you have to be "Ruthless" and he is not Ruthless Enough. I wish it weren't true.

He would be a welcome addition OBG if he replaces captain coward but we all k ow he won't and would be shoehorned in on the left which is a waste of time as he's not very effective on the left

[Retro Gunner]

but hang on , we have moved on but so have Liverpool .If we finish second to them and especially if you buy Isak you cant put this season on Arteta , you have to be realistic but if we sign Eze then we will pretty much have the squad we wanted .

Look i think Arteta fucked up last season never having a credible plan B when that winker Sesko turned us down (i hope that crunt flops) but that is in the past.

It's not that black and white though is it ? If he stays loyal to captain coward and he does another disappearing act, then wont that be on the cone boy ? If we drop points cos of mistakes stemming from a keeper fannying around on the ball thinking he is pele, then isnt that on the cone boy ? If he gives the chav reject a load of game time to try and play himself into "form" without success, then isnt that on the cone boy too ?

I still 100% believe that this inept fool could be put in charge of the greatest teams in football history and still not win the big prizes cos he simply does not know how - he was a mid level club as a player himself, so he does not know what it takes to win the big prizes, and doesnt have any appreciation or awareness of the x factor traits winning players possess like personality and willingness to bend rules to achieve the ultimate goals, because he himself never had them or never witnessed them in any team he played in

The other point that people seem to forget is that in the two seasons prior to last season, we finished above Liverpool. They then changed manager, replacing the iconic Klopp, which would normally disrupt a side, didn't add anyone other than the non playing Chiesa and despite us adding players last summer, they won the league and were 10 points clear of us.

Surely that can only mean one, or both, of two things: either we've regressed, or Slot is a better manager than Arteta. In my opinion, it's both of those things.

Anyway, the argument that we have moved on, but so have they, doesn't hold water, because we were ahead of them for two seasons and the only change they made last year was the manager. So, all things being equal, we should have still been ahead of them, but what's obviously not equal is the quality of Arteta and Slot.

[DB10GOONER]

but hang on , we have moved on but so have Liverpool .If we finish second to them and especially if you buy Isak you cant put this season on Arteta , you have to be realistic but if we sign Eze then we will pretty much have the squad we wanted .

Look i think Arteta fucked up last season never having a credible plan B when that winker Sesko turned us down (i hope that crunt flops) but that is in the past.

It's not that black and white though is it ? If he stays loyal to captain coward and he does another disappearing act, then wont that be on the cone boy ? If we drop points cos of mistakes stemming from a keeper fannying around on the ball thinking he is pele, then isnt that on the cone boy ? If he gives the chav reject a load of game time to try and play himself into "form" without success, then isnt that on the cone boy too ?

I still 100% believe that this inept fool could be put in charge of the greatest teams in football history and still not win the big prizes cos he simply does not know how - he was a mid level club as a player himself, so he does not know what it takes to win the big prizes, and doesnt have any appreciation or awareness of the x factor traits winning players possess like personality and willingness to bend rules to achieve the ultimate goals, because he himself never had them or never witnessed them in any team he played in

The other point that people seem to forget is that in the two seasons prior to last season, we finished above Liverpool. They then changed manager, replacing the iconic Klopp, which would normally disrupt a side, didn't add anyone other than the non playing Chiesa and despite us adding players last summer, they won the league and were 10 points clear of us.

Surely that can only mean one, or both, of two things: either we've regressed, or Slot is a better manager than Arteta. In my opinion, it's both of those things.

Anyway, the argument that we have moved on, but so have they, doesn't hold water, because we were ahead of them for two seasons and the only change they made last year was the manager. So, all things being equal, we should have still been ahead of them, but what's obviously not equal is the quality of Arteta and Slot.

But Retro! MadMarty Wilson 2.0 told us there was no other manager in world football that could be better than Arteta!! It's almost like the mousers weren't listening!

[Retro Gunner]

but hang on , we have moved on but so have Liverpool .If we finish second to them and especially if you buy Isak you cant put this season on Arteta , you have to be realistic but if we sign Eze then we will pretty much have the squad we wanted .

Look i think Arteta fucked up last season never having a credible plan B when that winker Sesko turned us down (i hope that crunt flops) but that is in the past.

It's not that black and white though is it ? If he stays loyal to captain coward and he does another disappearing act, then wont that be on the cone boy ? If we drop points cos of mistakes stemming from a keeper fannying around on the ball thinking he is pele, then isnt that on the cone boy ? If he gives the chav reject a load of game time to try and play himself into "form" without success, then isnt that on the cone boy too ?

I still 100% believe that this inept fool could be put in charge of the greatest teams in football history and still not win the big prizes cos he simply does not know how - he was a mid level club as a player himself, so he does not know what it takes to win the big prizes, and doesnt have any appreciation or awareness of the x factor traits winning players possess like personality and willingness to bend rules to achieve the ultimate goals, because he himself never had them or never witnessed them in any team he played in

The other point that people seem to forget is that in the two seasons prior to last season, we finished above Liverpool. They then changed manager, replacing the iconic Klopp, which would normally disrupt a side, didn't add anyone other than the non playing Chiesa and despite us adding players last summer, they won the league and were 10 points clear of us.

Surely that can only mean one, or both, of two things: either we've regressed, or Slot is a better manager than Arteta. In my opinion, it's both of those things.

Anyway, the argument that we have moved on, but so have they, doesn't hold water, because we were ahead of them for two seasons and the only change they made last year was the manager. So, all things being equal, we should have still been ahead of them, but what's obviously not equal is the quality of Arteta and Slot.

But Retro! MadMarty Wilson 2.0 told us there was no other manager in world football that could be better than Arteta!! It's almost like the mousers weren't listening!

Ah yes, of course, I was forgetting the utterances of the forum sage, Wilson.

I can’t help noticing that he’s been quiet for a rather long time. Probably too busy sticking pins in a doll of Arne Slot.

[Nick Nack]

but hang on , we have moved on but so have Liverpool .If we finish second to them and especially if you buy Isak you cant put this season on Arteta , you have to be realistic but if we sign Eze then we will pretty much have the squad we wanted .

Look i think Arteta fucked up last season never having a credible plan B when that winker Sesko turned us down (i hope that crunt flops) but that is in the past.

It's not that black and white though is it ? If he stays loyal to captain coward and he does another disappearing act, then wont that be on the cone boy ? If we drop points cos of mistakes stemming from a keeper fannying around on the ball thinking he is pele, then isnt that on the cone boy ? If he gives the chav reject a load of game time to try and play himself into "form" without success, then isnt that on the cone boy too ?

I still 100% believe that this inept fool could be put in charge of the greatest teams in football history and still not win the big prizes cos he simply does not know how - he was a mid level club as a player himself, so he does not know what it takes to win the big prizes, and doesnt have any appreciation or awareness of the x factor traits winning players possess like personality and willingness to bend rules to achieve the ultimate goals, because he himself never had them or never witnessed them in any team he played in

The other point that people seem to forget is that in the two seasons prior to last season, we finished above Liverpool. They then changed manager, replacing the iconic Klopp, which would normally disrupt a side, didn't add anyone other than the non playing Chiesa and despite us adding players last summer, they won the league and were 10 points clear of us.

Surely that can only mean one, or both, of two things: either we've regressed, or Slot is a better manager than Arteta. In my opinion, it's both of those things.

Anyway, the argument that we have moved on, but so have they, doesn't hold water, because we were ahead of them for two seasons and the only change they made last year was the manager. So, all things being equal, we should have still been ahead of them, but what's obviously not equal is the quality of Arteta and Slot.

But Retro! MadMarty Wilson 2.0 told us there was no other manager in world football that could be better than Arteta!! It's almost like the mousers weren't listening!

Ah yes, of course, I was forgetting the utterances of the forum sage, Wilson.

I can’t help noticing that he’s been quiet for a rather long time. Probably too busy sticking pins in a doll of Arne Slot.

Given its the school summer holidays I'm surprised that he's not on here more often

[OneBardGooner]

His Carer Has Strict Instructions Not To Allow Him Anywhere Near a PC/Device/ etc Until the Deep State Medication Experiment Has Finished; which should be in 2045.

[gazzatt2]

His Carer Has Strict Instructions Not To Allow Him Anywhere Near a PC/Device/ etc Until the Deep State Medication Experiment Has Finished; which should be in 2045.

is that when Arteta gets sacked ?

[OneBardGooner]

If we don't win anything this coming season, I fully expect the owners to Sack him ! If not I can see "Arteta Out !" Protests like there were for TOF.