It’s not the 1980s anymore (20/7)

[gooner.ed]

Usual thread starter. As this piece was taken from this thread –

http://www.onlinegooner.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1478

you might as well go there to debate it.

or start here if you like. I gave up trying to keep order in the wilds of this forum months ago

[Cus Geezer]

that's not being a football supporter. If you're not watching the game, I don't know what you're doing there.

You could also say the same for the club level lot, quaffing their free drinks at half time. But I suppose you're not going to slag them off because they're your mates from Morgan Stanley or Credit Suisse or HSBC or wherever it is that a wanker like you works.

P.S. I've checked with my buddies at the lancet and it is physically possible to sing, jump about and watch the game going on on the pitch. Though funnily enough not possible to watch a game of football while sitting at a bar drinking champers without a plasma screen.

I'm really disappointed that the Gooner, of all publications, with its excellent edition on May 2 1992 mourning the loss of the North Bank could give a space such a dickhead.

Anyone care to write a counter article like 'Arsenal is a Football Club not a fucking Country Club'?

[Cus Geezer]

The fans support the team entirely when they need it, but when we're strolling through a game and there's no competition from the opposition, the crowd are going to be pretty much silent, how else could it be?

Take a fuck off pill you utter, utter cretin.

Where was the fans support of Arsenal in the closing minutes against PSV, I've never seen so many empty seats.

And what would you like the opposition to do? Play in a way that suits the Arsenal out of deference?

Yes as pointed out the Arsenal have played excellent football last season, as good as I've seen anywhere, but it's a young side. Heads can drop easily when things aren't coming off, THAT'S WHERE THE FANS ARE TO COME INTO THEIR OWN AND BE THAT TWELVE MAN.

THAT'S WHAT BEING A 'FAN' IS ABOUT, THAT'S HOW FANS EFFECT THE GAME.

It really is an injustice when dispassionate *word censored* like this are there every week and the best that many of the old North Bank get is the twelve pins.

[bookanengineer]

What are you talking about, and when did I say I had any money or was a banker. I'm a dickhead for daring to stand up for genuine supporters who want to watch the game.

It's because of people like you, that we have idiots going around blogs moaning about Wenger, the board, and wanting every player that The Sun tells you you should want. You want Tevez, you want Torres, you demand any "name" who costs more than £15m.

And at the end of the PSV game, what are you talking about. What support do you think the team wanted at that stage, we were out of the champions league dumbass, the second that ball hit the net. There was no recovery, there was no hope. The players didn't want your support, they wanted to get off the pitch as soon as they could and feel sorry for themselves, what they needed, was the fans support for the rest of the season, which they got.

[Cus Geezer]

It's because of people like you, that we have idiots going around blogs moaning about Wenger, the board, and wanting every player that The Sun tells you you should want. You want Tevez, you want Torres, you demand any "name" who costs more than £15m.

Book an engineer? A doctor more like you fucking brain injury victim.


Go through the forum and find where I'm demanding Tevez, Torres or any big name signings?

[Cus Geezer]

And at the end of the PSV game, what are you talking about. What support do you think the team wanted at that stage, we were out of the champions league dumbass, the second that ball hit the net.

No we were out of the CL the second the ref blew his whistle

There was no recovery, there was no hope. The players didn't want your support, they wanted to get off the pitch as soon as they could and feel sorry for themselves

Kind of an attitude surrounding the club recently that I don't much like.

And who'd ever heard of a couple of late goals going in in the last seven minutes, proper Roy of the Rovers stuff that eh?

[Cus Geezer]

I'm a dickhead for daring to stand up for genuine supporters who want to watch the game.

No you're a dickhead for turning up to a stadium with 60,000+ people and expecting peace and quiet.

[bookanengineer]

Why don't you try something other than abuse you dirty little oik, a forum is for discussion.

I didn't ask for peace and quiet, I said we all love a good atmosphere. I'm personally a louder fan, that's how I let out my frustration and passion, but I don't castigate others for wanting to sit and watch the match intensely. The whole highbury library story is media-driven. Yes, there are quiet times at Emirates, as there were at Highbury, but that is mostly a reflection of what is happening on the pitch. It's the fans responsibility to support the team, when they need to be picked up and encouraged. But equally, there are times when you can just sit back and enjoy the football. If you love football, it is possible to sit back and take pleasure from what is happening in front of you, it's not all about chanting. You shouldn't be slamming people for that, at 3-0 up and coasting, we don't need, and won't generate, an incredible atmosphere. What you will get, is excitement as the team plays good football, and attacks the goal. That's the same for every team in the league. If you think these amazing atmosphere's exist at other grounds, whilst they're being outplayed by us, then you don't go to many away games.

Arsenal now play an incredibly patient style of football, a lot of passing across the middle, a lot of play on the edge of the box, often for long periods of play without the opposition having a kick. It is very hard to generate an exciting atmosphere in that environment, it's a feeling of frustration.

The fans that go to away games are louder, but they're the same quieter fans at the home games, the difference is that the fans recognise the team needs the support in that backs-to-the-wall away-day arena.

[T.S]

...at 3-0 up and coasting, we don't need, and won't generate, an incredible atmosphere.

We should be so lucky, these days!

[Cus Geezer]

Why don't you try something other than abuse you dirty little oik, a forum is for discussion.

Thing is the crap that's written in your article doesn't deserve anything else but that

[Cus Geezer]

...at 3-0 up and coasting, we don't need, and won't generate, an incredible atmosphere.

Again this is more guff from Joe post-90. Think of the games under GG where we'd be coasting 3-0, like aginst Liverpool, Southampton, Crystal Palace, Aston villa, Sheffield Wednesday, who in the stadium thought 'ah sit back, better read the programme, don't need to creat much atmosphere'.

His posts so full of crap, they could block drains

[Cus Geezer]

The whole highbury library story is media-driven.

No it isn't the atmosphere IS much less than it should be.

Less than it used to be

Less than what Wet Sham and the Mickeymousers create.

It is embarrassingly quiet. This is not a media creation

[bookanengineer]

Okay Tony .. so maybe not many 3-0 coastings last season admittedly!, but our level of domination, even at 0-0, is difficult on the team, and the fans.

Cuz Geezer, you point to the GG area, but we were incapable of dominating teams in any way recognisable to what we do today. If we'd won 5-0 under GG, we probably still wouldn't have had the level of possession that we'd have with the current team. You said a couple of posts ago that maybe we should ask the opposition to come and play the way we want, well, that's a debate worth having. There's either a problem with Arsenal, or a problem with the opposition. The opposition have never been less adventurous against us, more so against us than any other team. We either need to blame these teams for ruining football, or do something different ourselves, ie. Encourage the opposition to attack us.

I'm not Joe post-90, I was standing on the North Bank from the age of 6, and I can tell you that when the only thing you can see through the sea of heads was the Clock on the Clock-end, all-seater stadium are a joy. A joy ruined by one or two idiots singing "stand up, if you hate Tottenham", and I wish the stewards clamped down harder. I like it that kids and women go to the team, can watch the match, and feel safe. Arsenal doesn't belong to you, and it doesn't belong to me, and it'll go on long beyond all of us. I love all breeds of people being able to go to the match and bond in this shared experience, that's what football is about. It's not about a ground full of working class men, that's bollocks, it's the past and it wasn't that great, it ended up with people crushed to death, I can't believe there are still people clinging to that world with rose-tinted glasses. What I know I don't like, is people with no interest in football, how do you relate to them, what excites them, DIY? Those quiet fans sitting in club level, at least they're trying to get an interest, let them in, encourage them, the more people that support Arsenal the better, stop slagging them off.

[Cus Geezer]

You said a couple of posts ago that maybe we should ask the opposition to come and play the way we want, well, that's a debate worth having. There's either a problem with Arsenal, or a problem with the opposition. The opposition have never been less adventurous against us, more so against us than any other team. We either need to blame these teams for ruining football, or do something different ourselves, ie. Encourage the opposition to attack us.

What the fuck are you talking about.

Why should opposing teams play the way that suits Arsenal and Arsenal fans, what's in it for them, they're hear for the points.

When is realism gonna enter your head boyo?

[Cus Geezer]

Those quiet fans sitting in club level, at least they're trying to get an interest, let them in, encourage them, the more people that support Arsenal the better, stop slagging them off.

It's a shame their interest doesn't override that of getting hold of some free drinks at half time.

When that happens maybe I might consider cutting them some slack