As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Cesc is God wrote:And that is why I hate it when people slag the man off. He is Arsenal FC in my opinion and without him, we would not challenge for the EPL IMO.
Anyone who doubts him is a real disappointment.
Try putting some meat around that and stating why we would be a disappointment! Why is Arsene Arsenal FC because last time I looked we was going for a fair while before him
We were but do you ever recall a 12 year record of
3rd
1st
2nd
2nd
2nd
1st
2nd
1st
2nd
4th
4th
3rd
outside of the 1930s?
Do you wanna wait another six decades for this kind of record?
Cesc is God wrote:And that is why I hate it when people slag the man off. He is Arsenal FC in my opinion and without him, we would not challenge for the EPL IMO.
Anyone who doubts him is a real disappointment.
Try putting some meat around that and stating why we would be a disappointment! Why is Arsene Arsenal FC because last time I looked we was going for a fair while before him
We were but do you ever recall a 12 year record of
SPUDMASHER wrote:
These are the people that hold your company back aren't they. Their attitude to change is born out of a fear of the unknown.
Fucking hilarious!
People who are shouting to sign a well know name for us to all get temporarily excited about and hold a deep fear of what potential Nasri, Wilshire and Walcott have are lecturing Wenger on 'fear of the unknown'.
That approach prevents an organisation from evolving and it gets left behind. It's competitors in the market thrive because of their ability to move with the times and we all know the eventual end result. If you want proof of it then look no further than British Leyland.
Oh really, British Leyland who were constanly bailed out by public money - money the organisation didn't bring in itself.
That's not like us - that is more reminiscent of our main rivals in Fulham - Arsenal are living in the harsh realities of the free market a lot more than our rivals are.
And isn't the essence of capitalism consuming less than you produce - i.e. buying low and selling high?
Someone lecturing Economics graduate Wenger on Economics - who are you, Adam Smith?[/quote]
26may1989 wrote:Has this thread just been copied and pasted from last summer's archive??
So many good and bad points made, I'd love to do one of my stupidly long posts going through each of them, but since I'm doing this on a mobile from holiday and the beach beckons, I'll limit myself to one point: when is one of you pessimists/unrealists going to answer the question asked on the first or second page as to who could replace Wenger now, with less to spend than Sunderland and Pompey, and probably with the heart of the Arsenal squad and coaches out of the door with Wenger? Come on, just one or two names..... Anyone of Wenger's calibre and experience to suggest?
Mourinho!
Don't say he can't work to a budget as he won the biggest pot of them all with Porto on a relaive shoe-string!
Before people start screaming the question does not involve personal choice but facts of who can win trophies with a budget squad!
At least that's a credible response in terms of ability to function on limited funds. I agree, Mourinho's achievements at Porto were very impressive, even if it has been subsequently tarnished by the corruption scandal. It certainly impresses a million times more than anything he did at Chelsea.
But even if we wanted an anti-football coach, we're not going to get him, so it's not a serious option either.
Martin O'Neil - Can't even get Villa into CL recognition, won titles in a league where only 2 teams have won it since 1985
Harry Rednapp/tony adams partnership - won one trophy in 25 years in the game
Mark Hughes - Take a fuck off pill
Big Sam Alladyce - Take it again
Paul Ince - and again
Martin Jol - and again
Roy Keane - and again
Marc Van Basten - Maybe?, still early days in his managerial career to say with certainty - judging by our economic position certainty is exactly what we need.
Jurgen Klingsman - Ditto
Terry Venabals - See Leeds argument
Alan Shearer - yeah get someone from the comfort of the BBC sofa and bring Lineker while your at it. Shearer while practically running the club at Newcastle and getting numerous bosses the sack had virtually zero interpersonal skills with his team mates.
Cus Geezer wrote:Martin O'Neil - Can't even get Villa into CL recognition, won titles in a league where only 2 teams have won it since 1985
Harry Rednapp/tony adams partnership - won one trophy in 25 years in the game
Mark Hughes - Take a fuck off pill
Big Sam Alladyce - Take it again
Paul Ince - and again
Martin Jol - and again
Roy Keane - and again
Marc Van Basten - Maybe?, still early days in his managerial career to say with certainty - judging by our economic position certainty is exactly what we need.
Jurgen Klingsman - Ditto
Terry Venabals - See Leeds argument
Alan Shearer - yeah get someone from the comfort of the BBC sofa and bring Lineker while your at it. Shearer while practically running the club at Newcastle and getting numerous bosses the sack had virtually zero interpersonal skills with his team mates.
Would have to agree with most of that. Allerdyce, Venables and Ince in particular are ridiculous names to throw in the hat mate.
26may (I think); I take your point about who we could replace AW with but the question was really one of "Should Wenger carry on indefinitely without succes?" My answer would be no, he shouldn't. I'll say it again, I love the man but no one can lead a club of our size for a long period of time without success. Personally I'd give him two more seasons to deliver any trophy, just to get that winning feeling back in the team. But two seasons from now and we're still finishing 3rd or 4th and winning nothing then his time (for me) will have come.
I can't honestly say there is anyone out there that I would call a suitable replacement. But that's not to say there isn't someone. Remember Wenger was an unknown before he took the job with us... and look what he went and did...
Martin O'Neil - Can't even get Villa into CL recognition, won titles in a league where only 2 teams have won it since 1985
Also got them to a Uefa Cup final and did well in CL. Should he have got such a small squad into the CL by now? Seems a little harsh to blame him considering this is only his third season
I know Wenger attitude is very annoying sometimes. And it very hard to be a gooner when chelsea are spending £30 million on a player and wenger buys some random nobody. But we definatly shouldnt be calling for the sack. I dont think how a gooner could think of sacking Wenger after in the middle of trying to developed quality players. Us gooners are being patient and we we wait another couple of years and we will be the best team in the world.
gunnerbrad wrote:I know Wenger attitude is very annoying sometimes. And it very hard to be a gooner when chelsea are spending £30 million on a player and wenger buys some random nobody. But we definatly shouldnt be calling for the sack. I dont think how a gooner could think of sacking Wenger after in the middle of trying to developed quality players. Us gooners are being patient and we we wait another couple of years and we will be the best team in the world.
Next season is winless, Wenger goes, bring in another manager who is willing to spend, do the Double with a mix of young talent and class veterans... ..tough time to be a gooner indeed!!
In my opinion this all comes back to finances - most on here accept that wenger hasnt got a huge fund to operate but that there is some cash to spend and it is for this reason that wenger should be feeling some heat. We know that when the likes of kaka goes up for sale then we havent a hope in hell of getting him but there are players that are out there that would significantly improve what we already have and we are standing idly by.
I know I am beating the same old drum but either shay given or jaskilinein would be a massive upgrade on our current number 1 while richard dunne before his new contract would have been a steal and would at least give us a player that can and will head a ball and is experienced too. Why did we not move for these players ? God fucking knows but wenger cannot use the excuse of holding back the youngsters cos almunia is 31 and gallas and toure are no rookies either so you have to believe that wenger believes that almunia is a better keeper and the kolo/gallas partnership can work despite 2 seasons of evidence to the contrary Would this be reason enough to question the great mans judgement or maybe his continued selection of eboue on the wing would convince some of ye ? Either ways the great man is making decisions now that a blind man wouldnt make and this is bourne out by the fact that approx 95% of members on here agree that kolo/gallas do not work together and almunia is not good enough to be number 1 at a club like ours. I could maybe understand wenger sticking with kolo/gallas for 2 seasons(not anymore though) because in their own right they are both good players but I have to say that I am embarrassed to have a keeper like almunia as our 1st choice keeper and in my 38 years of supporting this club no other player has ever made me feel this way
The wenger diehards keep coming back to the same response to this arguement by asking who would replace him and do a better job so I'll ask you lot 3 questions instead.......could wenger have upgraded certain positions in the team at minimal expense, should he have done so and if you think he could and should have done so tell me why you think he didnt ?
Cesc is God wrote:And that is why I hate it when people slag the man off. He is Arsenal FC in my opinion and without him, we would not challenge for the EPL IMO.
Anyone who doubts him is a real disappointment.
Sounds like the wise words of a new age sky sports football supporter
augie wrote:
The wenger diehards keep coming back to the same response to this arguement by asking who would replace him and do a better job so I'll ask you lot 3 questions instead.......could wenger have upgraded certain positions in the team at minimal expense, should he have done so and if you think he could and should have done so tell me why you think he didnt ?
e do not know the ins and outs of deals and offers that fail to materialise, but here are three suggestions:
EBOUE - we all agree that he is not worthy of a first choice starting place (though I think he is best deputy for Sagna)...I think he could have been sold for £3M this summer.
I would have gone for Benayoun for £5M when Liverpool went for him.
Granted he does not offer protection for the right back and he is a little inconsistent, but he would have given goals off the wing and been able to play behind a striker at times if needed.
MIDFIELD - I know it is another Liverpool man, but I think Damien Plessis cost Liverpool very little, and he has looked a shrewd young defensive midfield signing. How did Wenger miss out on his fellow countryman?
MIDFILED - He mightt have cost us about £8M, but I would have gone for Tim Cahill last summer. Works hard and gets goals.
