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usual thread starter… Craven Cottage was undoubtedly dire, and I expect a reaction from the players on Wednesday. Fabregas should be back and Arsenal – we hope – will start looking more like Arsenal than the poor imitation of a football team that faced Fulham. But in the reaction to the poverty of the performance, many have forgotten that Wenger teams have often stunk the place out on their travels, and with experienced star names in the eleven. The 2005-06 season saw us almost sink to fifth below the Spuds due to some dismal displays up north, and yet we made the CL final. Funny old game, Saint.
I think Arsene will go next summer (25/8)
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gus ceasar is a legend
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I am going to stick my neck out and say I think we will be witnessing the end of an era very soon at our club.
The whole set up stinks of yesteryear and until we move forward and buy into the fact that investment brings success our hopes will remain solely to qualify for the Champions League.
Wenger has been shocking this summer and whilst the world and his wife have seen the holes in our squad Arsene has been advising PSG. To add insult to injusy he then tells us he is far too busy to sign anyone. The first player to go was Flamini and Wenger would have known this was likely to happen months ago. The wheels tp replace him should have been turning months ago but here we are with six days to go with the transfer mark and the most obvious void is still not filled. That is a disgrace in itself before you add to it the fact we have had yet another bullshit line fed to us of a replacement before the Twente return leg. Now we hear that the promise of getting the most vital cog FOUR GAMES INTO THE SEASON was in fact false as well.
Something is very very wrong at Arsenal Football Club and I am fed up with the cracks being covered up with bullshit from a man who should have more respect for us and himself then having to stoop so low as telling out and out lies!
The whole set up stinks of yesteryear and until we move forward and buy into the fact that investment brings success our hopes will remain solely to qualify for the Champions League.
Wenger has been shocking this summer and whilst the world and his wife have seen the holes in our squad Arsene has been advising PSG. To add insult to injusy he then tells us he is far too busy to sign anyone. The first player to go was Flamini and Wenger would have known this was likely to happen months ago. The wheels tp replace him should have been turning months ago but here we are with six days to go with the transfer mark and the most obvious void is still not filled. That is a disgrace in itself before you add to it the fact we have had yet another bullshit line fed to us of a replacement before the Twente return leg. Now we hear that the promise of getting the most vital cog FOUR GAMES INTO THE SEASON was in fact false as well.
Something is very very wrong at Arsenal Football Club and I am fed up with the cracks being covered up with bullshit from a man who should have more respect for us and himself then having to stoop so low as telling out and out lies!
I don’t normally take the time to reply to blogs or post on forums, but I’m getting increasingly concern over the state of the club.
We are being lied to. On one hand we are told that we can bid £30 for a player if we want yet we go out and get a bargain bucket defender and a midfielder that has been injured for ages.
If the club just came out and said we can’t afford players because then fine I could accept that, but I cant stand the say one thing and do something completely different.
Last year we finished 4 points behind the leaders, big fucking deal, that was last year. Since then we have lost some of our most experienced players. If Wenger really does believe that we are going to have a chance this year with out strengthening then sorry but he has lost the plot completely.
What really pissed me off is the ‘Wenger knows brigade’. Get a life looses, last year we were hammered by Spurs, hammered by United and threw away the league. Wenger doesn’t know.
If this was Wengers last year I wouldn’t be to disappointed. Don’t get me wrong, he is has done great for us, but with his personal experiment with youth we are never going to win anything.
We are being lied to. On one hand we are told that we can bid £30 for a player if we want yet we go out and get a bargain bucket defender and a midfielder that has been injured for ages.
If the club just came out and said we can’t afford players because then fine I could accept that, but I cant stand the say one thing and do something completely different.
Last year we finished 4 points behind the leaders, big fucking deal, that was last year. Since then we have lost some of our most experienced players. If Wenger really does believe that we are going to have a chance this year with out strengthening then sorry but he has lost the plot completely.
What really pissed me off is the ‘Wenger knows brigade’. Get a life looses, last year we were hammered by Spurs, hammered by United and threw away the league. Wenger doesn’t know.
If this was Wengers last year I wouldn’t be to disappointed. Don’t get me wrong, he is has done great for us, but with his personal experiment with youth we are never going to win anything.
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Redexpress
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I thought that last season would see the nd of Wenger's "experiment" in trying to win major trophies with a young side.
I am aghast at the lack of signings this summer, and was resigned to defeat with about 30 mins remaining of the Fulham game, as there was nothing tangible on the bench.
It is desperate days when the most creative player on the subs bench is a 16 year old who has shone in a couple of pre season friendlies.
We have suffered in the past from being too reliant on one player, Wrighty and Henry for example, now it looks like the whole structure of the team falls apart when Cesc is missing.
With nothing else available I would sacrifice Toure for a few games to see how Djourou gets on. (although it didnt takle long for him and Gallas to have a spat in the WBA match)
Surely the writing is on the wall for Eboue! Song must be capable of producing more than he can.
I have also just finished reading "Arsenal" and am, as a result, generally pessimistic about the club at the moment. As always I hope my pessimism is misplaced, and that we can defy all the gloom at the moment.
I am aghast at the lack of signings this summer, and was resigned to defeat with about 30 mins remaining of the Fulham game, as there was nothing tangible on the bench.
It is desperate days when the most creative player on the subs bench is a 16 year old who has shone in a couple of pre season friendlies.
We have suffered in the past from being too reliant on one player, Wrighty and Henry for example, now it looks like the whole structure of the team falls apart when Cesc is missing.
With nothing else available I would sacrifice Toure for a few games to see how Djourou gets on. (although it didnt takle long for him and Gallas to have a spat in the WBA match)
Surely the writing is on the wall for Eboue! Song must be capable of producing more than he can.
I have also just finished reading "Arsenal" and am, as a result, generally pessimistic about the club at the moment. As always I hope my pessimism is misplaced, and that we can defy all the gloom at the moment.
LET HIM GO!
Man u would love to have him if Arsenal fans don"t want him
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we_are_the_arsenal
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The season is over. Arsene played shockingly against fulham, he didn't even get a kick! We can't come back from the loss, its too far into the season, and not to mention man poo are off to a flyer as well.
How dare Arsene tell us "lies". I mean, its not like circumstances change from time to time forcing him to change his mind. Its not like rivals and agents are listening to everything he says through the media. its not fair for us poor poor Arsenal fans. In our whole history, every year we have challenged for the title.
yeah, its not like key players have signed new deals over the summer.
everything in the transfer market is black and white, its a simple process. Nothing can delay the process, and circumstances do no change. How dare wenger change his mind, he lied to us, he LIED TO US
And here is the killer ladies and gentlemen:
Good, fvck off to chel$ki, they have plenty of your lot already. You'll be doing us a favour.
I can't believe this guy said this. You're not a gooner, you're scum, we don't want you, you glory hunter.
Fvck, were do you find these people? Why do they have their thoughts posted? Have some respect for this site and filter the shitty little articles.
A Fvcking disgrace.
How dare Arsene tell us "lies". I mean, its not like circumstances change from time to time forcing him to change his mind. Its not like rivals and agents are listening to everything he says through the media. its not fair for us poor poor Arsenal fans. In our whole history, every year we have challenged for the title.
we're 2-0 with a home game to game. We are fucked. No chance, I "fear" as well."I fear we will not qualify for the Champions League this season"
He has done nothing at all, nero, a big fat zero. Mikael Silvestre is a rookie."and we lacked experience. What has our manager done to address these issues? Nothing, nada, zilch, a big fat zero"
That will shut everyone up wouldn't it.A great look for the club. I don't recall wenger coming out the other week saying he has to balance the books."If all and sundry at the club were coming out and saying we had no money at all and we have to deal with things for now"
Yeah, the pissy club doesn't invest in anything, not even in the brand new 60,000 stadium.if there is truly money to spend and Wenger still doesn't strengthen with quality, then for me it is negligent and it makes me furious that we, the fans pay a fortune to watch Arsenal with virtually no investment when really needed.
"Just how much money have we saved on wages with Hleb, Flamini, Lehmann and Gilberto going? It must be between £150-200k a week! Where’s that gone? Why don’t we pay our better players more?"
yeah, its not like key players have signed new deals over the summer.
Yeah, we didn't improve at all last season from the previous one. Now we just lost one game we are totally fvcked and wenger is shit."Wenger has obviously invested in youth and took us to even greater highs but we are on a downwards curve"
We have zero quality."Is it really Arsene’s arrogance and stubbornness that keeps him from buying quality and experience?"
yeah, sure, the world is ending soon due to global warming, we only have a few more years on earth, its not like we can pay off the huge debt we have then use that money to invest more in transfers."‘We’ll be able to compete with the Man Utds and Real Madrids in the transfer market’,"
‘I will sign a couple of players before Euro 2008’,
everything in the transfer market is black and white, its a simple process. Nothing can delay the process, and circumstances do no change. How dare wenger change his mind, he lied to us, he LIED TO US
Yeah, we can be 100% sure he has no interest in Barry."I am interested in Gareth Barry’
And here is the killer ladies and gentlemen:
"and if we do actually finish outside of the top four at the end of the season, I don’t think I’ll be the only one who seriously thinks about leaving."
Good, fvck off to chel$ki, they have plenty of your lot already. You'll be doing us a favour.
I can't believe this guy said this. You're not a gooner, you're scum, we don't want you, you glory hunter.
Fvck, were do you find these people? Why do they have their thoughts posted? Have some respect for this site and filter the shitty little articles.
A Fvcking disgrace.
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pstereohead
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I agree with the fact that Arsene has not yet made all the signings we need, but I think we are only one signing away from having a complete squad. The problem is we have not yet found a replacement for Flamini as CDM, and until we do we must for the love of god not use Denilson/Eboue in central midfield. I was gutted to see Diarra leave in the last transfer window as he would have been perfect, and in the few matches he did play he was outstanding. We have loads of attacking midfielders, but no natural defensive midfielders, save perhaps Song. The problem of putting someone like Denilson, who is not a natural CDM, in the Flamini-role, is two-side. He does not have the neccessary positional awareness, nor does he make the neccessary tackles. My best guess to sign would be Inler, but I have only seen him in the Euros, so I'm not sure how good he really is. I would say though that a CDM signing should have a strong physical stature and be a strong tackler.
But regarding Saturday's abysmal performance, it was to me mostly down to a bad team selection by Wenger. To me the logical pairing would be either of the following:
CAM: Nasri CDM: Song (with Walcott and Wilshere/Eboue on the wings)
CAM: Nasri CDM: Toure (with Senderos and Gallas at the back)
Both Song and Toure can play CDM. Song has improved alot, and covers alot of ground. He is composed on the ball, and can pressure the opposition. Toure is a defender by trade, and has great speed. Further, the only player currently capable of filling in as CAM for Fabregas, is Nasri. Samir is not a natural winger anyway, and has the creativity to play in Ade and RVP. I am still amazed by how much trust Wenger has in Eboué. I was sure Wenger would use him as back-up to Sagna last season, but instead he played when Walcott should have. Now that Walcott is playing, he is playing the Fabregas-role ffs! Could anyone even in their worst nightmare think of that as plausible? Especially when we already have Nasri, Ramsey and Wilshere, all of whom are more natural attacking midfielders!
Regarding Wenger, I'm also having some doubts, although I won't be calling for his head anytime soon. He has always been a master at coaching free-flowing attacking football, and his track record of unearthing talents from around the world speaks for itself. Yet , if Arsenal end up with nothing this season too, he has the choice of scrapping his youth policy and purchasing some superstars, or resign. In the latter case I hope he is reassigned to Sporting Director or Director of Football, or some other role where he can supervise and recommend transfers. It would truly be a disaster for Arsenal if he left the club altogether.
As for now I'm sure I'm not the only one praying that Fabregas is back for Twente and stays injury-free for the rest of the season.
But regarding Saturday's abysmal performance, it was to me mostly down to a bad team selection by Wenger. To me the logical pairing would be either of the following:
CAM: Nasri CDM: Song (with Walcott and Wilshere/Eboue on the wings)
CAM: Nasri CDM: Toure (with Senderos and Gallas at the back)
Both Song and Toure can play CDM. Song has improved alot, and covers alot of ground. He is composed on the ball, and can pressure the opposition. Toure is a defender by trade, and has great speed. Further, the only player currently capable of filling in as CAM for Fabregas, is Nasri. Samir is not a natural winger anyway, and has the creativity to play in Ade and RVP. I am still amazed by how much trust Wenger has in Eboué. I was sure Wenger would use him as back-up to Sagna last season, but instead he played when Walcott should have. Now that Walcott is playing, he is playing the Fabregas-role ffs! Could anyone even in their worst nightmare think of that as plausible? Especially when we already have Nasri, Ramsey and Wilshere, all of whom are more natural attacking midfielders!
Regarding Wenger, I'm also having some doubts, although I won't be calling for his head anytime soon. He has always been a master at coaching free-flowing attacking football, and his track record of unearthing talents from around the world speaks for itself. Yet , if Arsenal end up with nothing this season too, he has the choice of scrapping his youth policy and purchasing some superstars, or resign. In the latter case I hope he is reassigned to Sporting Director or Director of Football, or some other role where he can supervise and recommend transfers. It would truly be a disaster for Arsenal if he left the club altogether.
As for now I'm sure I'm not the only one praying that Fabregas is back for Twente and stays injury-free for the rest of the season.
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Redexpress
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as above
Well the old 'Arsene knows' boys are having their usual interlectual debate by telling people who have a very good point to'Fuck off and support Chelsea' and even calling one poor chap 'scum'. well you must have been at the internet all night challanging your little brain to come up with those 'gems' eh Arsenal 4 life......you utter wanker!
I will reserve judgment until the 1st September then I think that us 'scum' will have a deserved case to reply to your comments.
I will reserve judgment until the 1st September then I think that us 'scum' will have a deserved case to reply to your comments.
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QuartzGooner
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Wenger is doing as much as he can with a limited transfer/wage budget.
His hands are tied because of the sacrifices made in building a new stadium, a move that I belive was vital to go forward in the long term.
That said, we have a week left of the transfer window. Let us see who comes in.
We have lost three defensive midfielders - Diarra, Flamini and Gilberto.
We have replaced them with just one defensive midfielder - Coquelin, a 17 year old promising kid, but just a kid.
That leaves a glaring hole in the squad!
PSTEREOHEAD
You express what a number of fans are saying, that Toure or Song can play as the central defensive midfielder.
I feel that any of Toure or Song or Djourou or Gallas can play as a central defensive midfielder.
But...only in a 4-5-1, with them as the "Makalele" role in front of the defence.
I do not believe that they have the right "engine" needed to partner Cesc in a 4-4-2, with the possible exception of Djourou, who has payed such a role in the reserves.
His hands are tied because of the sacrifices made in building a new stadium, a move that I belive was vital to go forward in the long term.
That said, we have a week left of the transfer window. Let us see who comes in.
We have lost three defensive midfielders - Diarra, Flamini and Gilberto.
We have replaced them with just one defensive midfielder - Coquelin, a 17 year old promising kid, but just a kid.
That leaves a glaring hole in the squad!
PSTEREOHEAD
You express what a number of fans are saying, that Toure or Song can play as the central defensive midfielder.
I feel that any of Toure or Song or Djourou or Gallas can play as a central defensive midfielder.
But...only in a 4-5-1, with them as the "Makalele" role in front of the defence.
I do not believe that they have the right "engine" needed to partner Cesc in a 4-4-2, with the possible exception of Djourou, who has payed such a role in the reserves.
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we_are_the_arsenal
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Re: as above
is this a "very good point" is it mate?row 29 wrote:Well the old 'Arsene knows' boys are having their usual interlectual (intellectual) debate by telling people who have a very good point to'Fuck off and support Chelsea' and even calling one poor chap 'scum'.
what type of gooner says something like that? Where's he leaving to? This guy said if Arsenal drop out of the top 4 he will seriously think about leaving. mmmmm now which fans does that remind us of?and if we do actually finish outside of the top four at the end of the season, I don’t think I’ll be the only one who seriously thinks about leaving.
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IbleedRED&WHITE
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Exactly - a manager who has been as busy in the transfer market as many want Wenger to be and what is the result - two abject defeats. I am at a loss as to why Wenger doesn't want a large centre back and also as to why he plays Eboue. However it was Denilson who had the real stinker against Fulham along with the rest of the midfeld and forward line, collectively they didn't look up for it - and it wasn't because we weren't winning the ball , it was because we did nothing with it when we got it. That argues more that it was Fabregas we were missing. We all know we are likely to concede the odd sloppy goal we've been doing that for the last three or four years, but up till now someone has managed to produce the goods up front - sadly Adebayor, RVP Bendtner and Theo are not doing the business. Once again we missed two or three clear cut chances and that's a lousy conversion rate at the top level. We need to play our strikers on Wednesday and hope they hit the net a few times to gain confidence. Yes Fulham was dire but please - who would the moaners have as manager rather than Arsene? Big Fat Sam is available.IbleedRED&WHITE wrote: It could be worse, we could be spurs!
