Wenger the spin Doctor
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u2bagooner
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Wenger the spin Doctor
Is anyone else growing weary with Arsene's lies, he tell us he will buy before Euro 08, he tell us he will bring in experience, he tells us centre defence is a problem, he tell us it is vital to replace Dein/Edelman, nothing happens....................EVER !! I feel like history is repeating itself, GG created two great teams playing great football in 89/91 and then grew stubborn over buying a centre midfielder and the team went downhill. But at he would throw in the odd "Ian Wright" type signing to give the supporters hope. AW made some dreadful decisions last season like not strengthening in Jan, teams he played at Spurs and Man Utd in the cups and Kolo Toure at right wing against Wigan. The problems are there for everyone to see, it is not his job to talk resale values or balance books that is the MD's, his job is to put trophies on the table and this squad is never going to do that this season.
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QuartzGooner
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It is Wenger's job to balance books and calculate res ale values, just as much as it is the MD's.
Wenger has a vision of total football, mixed with a pragmatic approach based on shortage of transfer/wage funds.
Yes, he is a spin doctor in that if he had more funds he would spend more.
But he is not a total liar, because he also genuinely believes in developing the youth in his image of playing football.
It is just he has to lean more heavily to player development than he would like, and hence talk that up to placate the fans.
Wenger has a vision of total football, mixed with a pragmatic approach based on shortage of transfer/wage funds.
Yes, he is a spin doctor in that if he had more funds he would spend more.
But he is not a total liar, because he also genuinely believes in developing the youth in his image of playing football.
It is just he has to lean more heavily to player development than he would like, and hence talk that up to placate the fans.
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tinpot lane
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Re: Wenger the spin Doctor
oh well, you won't be renewing next seasonu2bagooner wrote:Is anyone else growing weary with Arsene's lies, he tell us he will buy before Euro 08, he tell us he will bring in experience, he tells us centre defence is a problem, he tell us it is vital to replace Dein/Edelman, nothing happens....................EVER !! I feel like history is repeating itself, GG created two great teams playing great football in 89/91 and then grew stubborn over buying a centre midfielder and the team went downhill. But at he would throw in the odd "Ian Wright" type signing to give the supporters hope. AW made some dreadful decisions last season like not strengthening in Jan, teams he played at Spurs and Man Utd in the cups and Kolo Toure at right wing against Wigan. The problems are there for everyone to see, it is not his job to talk resale values or balance books that is the MD's, his job is to put trophies on the table and this squad is never going to do that this season.
Hmm...I'm not so sure Wenger has actually lied, has he?
Wenger doesn't often give too much away, and under repeated questioning over the course of days, weeks and months, he's kind of kept the same stance...his main aim is to keep the squad together, but if a "super super" player is available, he'll get him. Nasri is probably that "super super" player he was referring to.
He has said he's looking for a centre midfielder, but has also stressed that if we don't sign one, then we have enough in the squad to deal with it. My opinion on that is..Bollocks, Arsene...we need to sign a centre mid!
Anyway, we still have 6 days left before the transfer window slams shut, and Arsenal notoriously leave things late. In fact, Diarra seemed to sign on the stroke of midnight, August 31st, last summer....so don't lose hope of a sigining just yet!
As for your Edelman and Dein comment..I think that's probably a matter for the board. Wenger was asked about it in an interview and gave his opinion on the matter, that's all.
Wenger doesn't often give too much away, and under repeated questioning over the course of days, weeks and months, he's kind of kept the same stance...his main aim is to keep the squad together, but if a "super super" player is available, he'll get him. Nasri is probably that "super super" player he was referring to.
He has said he's looking for a centre midfielder, but has also stressed that if we don't sign one, then we have enough in the squad to deal with it. My opinion on that is..Bollocks, Arsene...we need to sign a centre mid!
Anyway, we still have 6 days left before the transfer window slams shut, and Arsenal notoriously leave things late. In fact, Diarra seemed to sign on the stroke of midnight, August 31st, last summer....so don't lose hope of a sigining just yet!
As for your Edelman and Dein comment..I think that's probably a matter for the board. Wenger was asked about it in an interview and gave his opinion on the matter, that's all.
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Cockerill's chin
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We are in danger of finishing outside the top 4 this year which must have the accountant fans trembling.
The trembling should hav begun when we no longer considered competing for trophies a top priority.
What the fuck is Wenger playing at? It's not that we haven't spent the 25m budget (let's leave the 70m board bullshit for another time) but we have made another PROFIT in the transfer window.
Where's our centre midfield? Where's our commanding centre half?
Wenger needs to start earning his reputation again not just live off it.
The trembling should hav begun when we no longer considered competing for trophies a top priority.
What the fuck is Wenger playing at? It's not that we haven't spent the 25m budget (let's leave the 70m board bullshit for another time) but we have made another PROFIT in the transfer window.
Where's our centre midfield? Where's our commanding centre half?
Wenger needs to start earning his reputation again not just live off it.
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I love the bloke (not in a gay way) but his first and main priority is to produce results on the pitch - not balance the fecking books there are people employed for such matters but in Arsenals case as usual they are dragging their heels and waiting until the last possible minute to get someone in to replace edelman.QuartzGooner wrote:It is Wenger's job to balance books and calculate res ale values, just as much as it is the MD's.
Wenger has a vision of total football, mixed with a pragmatic approach based on shortage of transfer/wage funds.
Yes, he is a spin doctor in that if he had more funds he would spend more.
But he is not a total liar, because he also genuinely believes in developing the youth in his image of playing football.
It is just he has to lean more heavily to player development than he would like, and hence talk that up to placate the fans.
Straight talking needed!
After witnessing the performance on saturday, the last thing we need from our manager is a load of old bollox. The performance wasnt good enough because the players ae not good enough. The fact that we are playing players out of position, and playing players who are clearly out of form proves that we need to buy more players to strengthen the squad and rejuvenate the club.
We pay a shit load of money for our season tickets and we can just about bear it if we play good football and are unlucky, but perfomances like the one at the cottage does not represent value for money!
I am not the only gooner getting tired of the same old spin from the manager about not panic buying and only buying for buying's sake! We NEED better, experienced, mentally tough players.
I really dont think we have any money, because if we do have money to spend and we arent buying then the manager is a fucking idiot! I dont think he's an idiot so the only answer must be that we dont have any money to spend. Stop feeding us shit and tell us the truth, be honest with us and tell us we have no money to spend on buying new players and we can at least check our expectations. Dont raise season ticket prices then not replace the players who have left and then say we have money to spend but we arent spending any of it!
I am royaly fucked off by Wengers recent comments. It is time to start panicking because if he cant see what we need, then we need someone who can.
No more kids, we want winners.
We pay a shit load of money for our season tickets and we can just about bear it if we play good football and are unlucky, but perfomances like the one at the cottage does not represent value for money!
I am not the only gooner getting tired of the same old spin from the manager about not panic buying and only buying for buying's sake! We NEED better, experienced, mentally tough players.
I really dont think we have any money, because if we do have money to spend and we arent buying then the manager is a fucking idiot! I dont think he's an idiot so the only answer must be that we dont have any money to spend. Stop feeding us shit and tell us the truth, be honest with us and tell us we have no money to spend on buying new players and we can at least check our expectations. Dont raise season ticket prices then not replace the players who have left and then say we have money to spend but we arent spending any of it!
I am royaly fucked off by Wengers recent comments. It is time to start panicking because if he cant see what we need, then we need someone who can.
No more kids, we want winners.
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gus ceasar is a legend
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Like fuck that is his job!QuartzGooner wrote:It is Wenger's job to balance books and calculate res ale values, just as much as it is the MD's.
Wenger has a vision of total football, mixed with a pragmatic approach based on shortage of transfer/wage funds.
Yes, he is a spin doctor in that if he had more funds he would spend more.
But he is not a total liar, because he also genuinely believes in developing the youth in his image of playing football.
It is just he has to lean more heavily to player development than he would like, and hence talk that up to placate the fans.
The board give him the parameters to work within and it is only his job to understand and respect that.
If that was his job we wouldn't be hunting for a CEO!
Some people are starting to believe, very worryingly, that Arsene Wenger is Arsenal Football Club!
Let us be clear that Arsene's job and first priority is to oversee all things football at our club. Anything else is a side issue and should not be at the detriment of the reason Arsenal Football Club exists...........to play football and win trophies!
Indeed, it is up to the board to tell him how much he can spend and what the goal is for the season. Now with Arsene's brains, decree in Economics's, the board might choose to discuss matters with him but in the end, Arsene's writ only goes as far as football. The only time he might have real power over a board room decision, as in any competent board would have to listen to their manager, is in appointing a Director of Football as it requires him being able to work with the manager.
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Here, Here!
Do you ever hear Alex ferguson quoting figures, no never!!!
I am bloody sure all he is worried about is that if he wants a player, the money is available, not about making money every year to cover debts, correct me if iam wrong but i was led to believe that utd's debts were possibly more than ours but you never hear a thing about it, strange that isn't it??
Ferguson was even quoted as joking about our situation and writing us off for this season.
Wenger has got far to big at the club, the manager should never be central to the running of a club as Wenger currently is at Arsenal.
It breaks my heart to say it so early in a season but even at full strength we are not good enough to beat Utd or Chelsea in this seasons title race. God help the club if it fails to qualify for the champions league next season.
Do you ever hear Alex ferguson quoting figures, no never!!!
I am bloody sure all he is worried about is that if he wants a player, the money is available, not about making money every year to cover debts, correct me if iam wrong but i was led to believe that utd's debts were possibly more than ours but you never hear a thing about it, strange that isn't it??
Ferguson was even quoted as joking about our situation and writing us off for this season.
Wenger has got far to big at the club, the manager should never be central to the running of a club as Wenger currently is at Arsenal.
It breaks my heart to say it so early in a season but even at full strength we are not good enough to beat Utd or Chelsea in this seasons title race. God help the club if it fails to qualify for the champions league next season.
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green gooner
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Just watched Wenger on SSN say we can win the CL with this squad, WTF is he on 
They couldn't win a raffle if Saturdays performance at the cottage is the yardstick 
Yet bring on the best in europe Wenger says because Eboue will hunt you down in midfield and wreck your ttitle dreams, do me a favour Arsene
The reporter who carried out the interview was speechless, lock Wenger up for all our sakes
The only positive I took out of it was that he did NOT rule out Alonso but the rest was pure shite. 
They couldn't win a raffle if Saturdays performance at the cottage is the yardstick Yet bring on the best in europe Wenger says because Eboue will hunt you down in midfield and wreck your ttitle dreams, do me a favour Arsene
The reporter who carried out the interview was speechless, lock Wenger up for all our sakes
The only positive I took out of it was that he did NOT rule out Alonso
but the rest was pure shite. 