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usual thread starter… if there are a few people standing in the back rows and no-one who wants to sit is behind them, then the stewards should be a bit more live and let live. As for boycotting spending on a matchday. I’ve been doing that at the food and drink outlets since the first and only time I sampled a godawful cheeseburger at the new stadium. Overpriced and inedible. Yet people still buy the food. And miss parts of the match to do it too! I’m still trying to get my head around that one.
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gus ceasar is a legend
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I never buy food inside the ground. Overpriced and overpackaged crap! I would rather take my chances with a horse burger outside the ground. At least you know what you are getting there.
As for boycotting the outlets I can never see this happening. Getting a box of doughnuts is as much a part of the matchday experience for some as it is for me to have a pint. Plus there is the fact that a huge percentage of our fans simply don't care or see no reason to rally against the club.
Ideas to create some kind of protest usually never come to fruition simply because there is not the backing or organsiation behind them to make them effective.
Whilst I agree that the stewarding situation needs to be addressed I firmly believe that snubbing a Foot Long Hot Dog is not the way to go about it.
As for boycotting the outlets I can never see this happening. Getting a box of doughnuts is as much a part of the matchday experience for some as it is for me to have a pint. Plus there is the fact that a huge percentage of our fans simply don't care or see no reason to rally against the club.
Ideas to create some kind of protest usually never come to fruition simply because there is not the backing or organsiation behind them to make them effective.
Whilst I agree that the stewarding situation needs to be addressed I firmly believe that snubbing a Foot Long Hot Dog is not the way to go about it.
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Reg Niseth
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It's a start, what else do you suggest?gus ceasar is a legend wrote:Whilst I agree that the stewarding situation needs to be addressed I firmly believe that snubbing a Foot Long Hot Dog is not the way to go about it.
We're not going to stop going, I've a ST so they've already got my money.
What about RedAction not taking to their seats until about 15 mins into the game. They won't miss any action as it's on the TV on the concourse and if the demo is publicised to take place during a game live on TV it could spread to other parts of the ground and also shouuld be picked up by the cameras.
Do this AND not buy anything.
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gus ceasar is a legend
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Why just the RedAction group? Firstly, they seem the most unlikely of people to do anything militant now they are cosy bed buddys with the club and secondly, they don't usually get in until after kick off anyhow due to their "march"!Reg Niseth wrote:It's a start, what else do you suggest?gus ceasar is a legend wrote:Whilst I agree that the stewarding situation needs to be addressed I firmly believe that snubbing a Foot Long Hot Dog is not the way to go about it.
We're not going to stop going, I've a ST so they've already got my money.
What about RedAction not taking to their seats until about 15 mins into the game. They won't miss any action as it's on the TV on the concourse and if the demo is publicised to take place during a game live on TV it could spread to other parts of the ground and also shouuld be picked up by the cameras.
Do this AND not buy anything.
To me it would be better to make a stance against the non-standing issue by standing up and not by boycotting the food stalls. The two are unconnected. If somehow a large number of people were to stand up during the game and to turn facing the stewards that would symbolise what is trying to be acheived.
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Reg Niseth
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Why just the RedAction group?
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Not just RedAction if you read the post again. But suggest they could be the ones to take this forward as they are easily able to contact a large group of people.
There are a number of things that fans are not happy with, some form of public protest may offer the opportunity to voice all those concerns.
i.e. stewarding, lack of 'Arsenalisation' (fucking hate that phrase) in the ground, food prices, unhelpful staff, etc.
Why just the RedAction group?
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Not just RedAction if you read the post again. But suggest they could be the ones to take this forward as they are easily able to contact a large group of people.
There are a number of things that fans are not happy with, some form of public protest may offer the opportunity to voice all those concerns.
i.e. stewarding, lack of 'Arsenalisation' (fucking hate that phrase) in the ground, food prices, unhelpful staff, etc.
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dvbrisgooner1
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gus ceasar is a legend wrote:
Why just the RedAction group? Firstly, they seem the most unlikely of people to do anything militant now they are cosy bed buddys with the club and secondly, they don't usually get in until after kick off anyhow due to their "march"!
I know it's off topic, but I'm glad somebody else has noticed. How do the self-appointed knobheads hope to create an intimidating atmosphere when they don't take their seats until the team is on the pitch?
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Sammy Mooner
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I'm not a member of REDaction but to call them 'self-appointed knobheads' is more than a bit excessive. They are the only group ever to organise positive support, so far as I am aware, in the entire history of The Highbury & Grove Libraries.I know it's off topic, but I'm glad somebody else has noticed. How do the self-appointed knobheads hope to create an intimidating atmosphere when they don't take their seats until the team is on the pitch?
So why have a pop at REDaction just because the idiot stewards press on with the Nazification of the Grove.
It is non-starter and impractical to make 3,000 away fans sit down as anyone doing away games can attest. But the Club have to abide by Health & Safety's farcical measures and the Football Stadia licencing rules so they have a pop at an easy target.
Makes no sense to me whatsoever - but that's the way it is.
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SillySteward
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[quote="Sammy Mooner
It is non-starter and impractical to make 3,000 away fans sit down as anyone doing away games can attest. But the Club have to abide by Health & Safety's farcical measures and the Football Stadia licencing rules so they have a pop at an easy target. [/quote]
That really sums it up for me there. I appreciate that I'm looking at it from a slightly different angle to most people on here, but as Sammy pointed out, away fans are a different kettle of fish to home support.
In general, away fans are far worse behaved and care far less than home fans, simply because they are 'away'. In my experience, stewards DO attempt to get the away bunch to sit, but as some of you have said, if 3,000 people ignore you there is only so much you can do.
The beer drinking issue was naughty. I wasn't at the newcastle game, but tubby chops should certainly have been informed that he couldn't take beer into the stands.
The standing issue is something I don't ever think will be fully resolved to everyone's satisfaction. I promise you guys I'm the first one to say that stewards should apply a healthy dose of common sense when 'stewarding', but the truth of the matter is that the stadium is an all seater stadium for a reason. Until current laws change, whether you're in the back row or slap bang in the middle of a stand, you should be seated.
I know just as well as you folks that standing in the back row does no harm at all, but law is law and the club need to be seen to try to enforce that.
Also, this is just an observation, but the general opinion of stewards appears to be somewhere between useless and jobsworths. In some cases this may well be completely warranted, but surely if people approach a steward with that mindset, the reaction they receive won't be the greatest? Like I said, just an observation!
Folks, I'm not trying to make enemies, I'm just giving a different perspective on an issue. I'm as much a gooner as everyone else on here
It is non-starter and impractical to make 3,000 away fans sit down as anyone doing away games can attest. But the Club have to abide by Health & Safety's farcical measures and the Football Stadia licencing rules so they have a pop at an easy target. [/quote]
That really sums it up for me there. I appreciate that I'm looking at it from a slightly different angle to most people on here, but as Sammy pointed out, away fans are a different kettle of fish to home support.
In general, away fans are far worse behaved and care far less than home fans, simply because they are 'away'. In my experience, stewards DO attempt to get the away bunch to sit, but as some of you have said, if 3,000 people ignore you there is only so much you can do.
The beer drinking issue was naughty. I wasn't at the newcastle game, but tubby chops should certainly have been informed that he couldn't take beer into the stands.
The standing issue is something I don't ever think will be fully resolved to everyone's satisfaction. I promise you guys I'm the first one to say that stewards should apply a healthy dose of common sense when 'stewarding', but the truth of the matter is that the stadium is an all seater stadium for a reason. Until current laws change, whether you're in the back row or slap bang in the middle of a stand, you should be seated.
I know just as well as you folks that standing in the back row does no harm at all, but law is law and the club need to be seen to try to enforce that.
Also, this is just an observation, but the general opinion of stewards appears to be somewhere between useless and jobsworths. In some cases this may well be completely warranted, but surely if people approach a steward with that mindset, the reaction they receive won't be the greatest? Like I said, just an observation!
Folks, I'm not trying to make enemies, I'm just giving a different perspective on an issue. I'm as much a gooner as everyone else on here
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Sammy Mooner
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Silly Steward wrote
And the reason is the long outdated Taylor Report. Govenment legislation was put down by the Thatcher bitch to screw footies fans. It is certainly not a health and safety issue because you can get pissed in the seats and stand and dance for an hour or two, even at the Grove - but only if it is a rock concert of course.but the truth of the matter is that the stadium is an all seater stadium for a reason.
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gus ceasar is a legend
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Sammy,
As I have said before I have nothing against RedAction as a group, they have done some sterling work!
But as a group who have one of their cheif mandates as bringing atmosphere to the ground it seems very strange that they do not leave The Rocket to conduct their march until the last possible moment. This means a lot of them do not get into the ground until after kick off.
Which kind of defeats the object I think!
As I have said before I have nothing against RedAction as a group, they have done some sterling work!
But as a group who have one of their cheif mandates as bringing atmosphere to the ground it seems very strange that they do not leave The Rocket to conduct their march until the last possible moment. This means a lot of them do not get into the ground until after kick off.
Which kind of defeats the object I think!
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This certainly is a massive on going issue aggrevated by the fact that its one set of rules, enforced, for us and another, unenforced for the away fans. Weather you have to sit or not is debatable, the taylor report recommended having all seater stadiums to essectially reduce the number of persons able to get into the terraces, there is nothing about not standing, as far as i know.
RedAction in block 6 are 'allowed' to stand, i spent most of last season there and with no hassle from stewards. in fact, on the others side of the steps people were asked to sit down while a couple of yards away the whole of block 6 is on their feet. I dont' think asking Redaction to organise a protest would be as fruitfull as you may think as they get what they want as it is. Although they do have a reach that surpasses most fans.
I started a thread on the general section of this forum about organising a protest at the ground for issues like this, amongst others, and the response was very 50/50 some were up for it, but those that weren't displayed that typical there's nothing we can do about it attitude. I can't understand why so many people that are aggrevated by something are willing to absolutely squat about it. So what if you've paid in advance. If the lot of you stay in the concourse for the first 20 mins, a quick call to sky and you can guarantee the empty seats will be all over the back pages, the board will notice. This not government, where your vote really doesnt make a difference, here you literally can stand up and be counted.
Personally i'm getting rather sick of the animosity towards the club regarding all the standing, not standing, being treated like crap blah..blah.. as most of the people that i hear complain are not prepared to do anything about it.
Get together oraganise yourselves and be heard, otherwise just shut up, sit down and watch the game.
RedAction in block 6 are 'allowed' to stand, i spent most of last season there and with no hassle from stewards. in fact, on the others side of the steps people were asked to sit down while a couple of yards away the whole of block 6 is on their feet. I dont' think asking Redaction to organise a protest would be as fruitfull as you may think as they get what they want as it is. Although they do have a reach that surpasses most fans.
I started a thread on the general section of this forum about organising a protest at the ground for issues like this, amongst others, and the response was very 50/50 some were up for it, but those that weren't displayed that typical there's nothing we can do about it attitude. I can't understand why so many people that are aggrevated by something are willing to absolutely squat about it. So what if you've paid in advance. If the lot of you stay in the concourse for the first 20 mins, a quick call to sky and you can guarantee the empty seats will be all over the back pages, the board will notice. This not government, where your vote really doesnt make a difference, here you literally can stand up and be counted.
Personally i'm getting rather sick of the animosity towards the club regarding all the standing, not standing, being treated like crap blah..blah.. as most of the people that i hear complain are not prepared to do anything about it.
Get together oraganise yourselves and be heard, otherwise just shut up, sit down and watch the game.
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Unfortunately your comments about 'the march' are factually incorrect.
It leaves The Rocket at least half an hour before kick off, and having been on every 'march' since its inception I can assure you i am in my seat in the REDsection by at least 10 minutes before ko.
We are going to experiment with leaving even earlier very soon, probably for one of the bigger games. However there is always the problem of getting people away from the bar even half an hour before kick off.
It did make me laugh to see your with regard to 'the march'. I wonder whether you have ever joined in? If you have you will have noted that it is firmly tongue in cheek and in fact a bit of a craic, if you haven't then I'm sorry that we are all a bit naff for you, but maybe its best not to dig out things you have no experience of.
It leaves The Rocket at least half an hour before kick off, and having been on every 'march' since its inception I can assure you i am in my seat in the REDsection by at least 10 minutes before ko.
We are going to experiment with leaving even earlier very soon, probably for one of the bigger games. However there is always the problem of getting people away from the bar even half an hour before kick off.
It did make me laugh to see your
with regard to 'the march'. I wonder whether you have ever joined in? If you have you will have noted that it is firmly tongue in cheek and in fact a bit of a craic, if you haven't then I'm sorry that we are all a bit naff for you, but maybe its best not to dig out things you have no experience of.-
gus ceasar is a legend
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Really Alan,
Why is it then that "the march" is advertised to leave twenty minutes before kick off then? I can dig out the necessary if required!
Regardless of ten minutes between friends, can you not see the point that surely it would be better to get in the ground a lot earlier if the notion is to create atmosphere?
Why is it then that "the march" is advertised to leave twenty minutes before kick off then? I can dig out the necessary if required!
Regardless of ten minutes between friends, can you not see the point that surely it would be better to get in the ground a lot earlier if the notion is to create atmosphere?
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alanalansunderland
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Yes we can see that and that is why as stated we will be leaving even earlier if possible at a future match to see if it does have a positive effect.
Maybe you could lead the section of the ground where you sit into a rendition of' Its nice to know you're here' as a welcome to us on arrival, I'm sure you know the tune.
After all we all surely want the whole ground singing rather than relying on us the 'self-appointed knobheads' to do all the work.
Maybe you could lead the section of the ground where you sit into a rendition of' Its nice to know you're here' as a welcome to us on arrival, I'm sure you know the tune.
After all we all surely want the whole ground singing rather than relying on us the 'self-appointed knobheads' to do all the work.
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gus ceasar is a legend
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Mate, I have no moans about the noise you create when you are there, I sit in Block 97 above you and join in wholeheartedly!
Good to see you have thought about getting in there earlier and in a self-smug way I hope it is in reaction to a thread I wrote on here a few weeks back!
Even if it wan't I will still claim it was!
Good to see you have thought about getting in there earlier and in a self-smug way I hope it is in reaction to a thread I wrote on here a few weeks back!
Even if it wan't I will still claim it was!
