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I myself have been on the march many times and its great fun, gets you nicely in the mood for the game, only have it quashed by the bollox regulations of the club as far as having fun goes.
The problem with the march is that most of red action sit in block 6, virtaullyl the nearest gate to where the march ends. This i would assume is why 20 mins is more than an adequate amount of time to get into seats before kickoff. However the march also contains people who do not sit in block 6 and may have a lot further to go when it ends.
The march ends just before the roundabout opposite hte armory, why is that?? Maybe the club have had words with redaction coz i can't see sense in ending it there when it should go all the way to the gate.
Redaction are very self gratifying, don't get me wrong they do a great job of raising awareness and creating atmosphere both in the rocket and block 6, but i see no effort outside of those who konw of them to spread the word. Block 6 is well known amongst regulars at the Grove. I would say that if the march was a lot earlier and the chanting continued full on from at least 15mins before kick off, most the rest of the stadiium would walk into atmosphere, rather than the currently muted atmosphere waiting for the whistle and then taking most the first half to get going.
The problem with the march is that most of red action sit in block 6, virtaullyl the nearest gate to where the march ends. This i would assume is why 20 mins is more than an adequate amount of time to get into seats before kickoff. However the march also contains people who do not sit in block 6 and may have a lot further to go when it ends.
The march ends just before the roundabout opposite hte armory, why is that?? Maybe the club have had words with redaction coz i can't see sense in ending it there when it should go all the way to the gate.
Redaction are very self gratifying, don't get me wrong they do a great job of raising awareness and creating atmosphere both in the rocket and block 6, but i see no effort outside of those who konw of them to spread the word. Block 6 is well known amongst regulars at the Grove. I would say that if the march was a lot earlier and the chanting continued full on from at least 15mins before kick off, most the rest of the stadiium would walk into atmosphere, rather than the currently muted atmosphere waiting for the whistle and then taking most the first half to get going.
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Yes Gurmokh there is a problem with the 'march' sort of fading away once we get to 'The Bears' roundabout. I disagree with your view that most of The Rocket regulars sit in the REDsection, if you look closely when we get to the roundabout there is definitely a big percentage who turn right and up the stairs. This means that the people going left towards the section tend to get swallowed up by the hordes entering the ground. As you are no doubt aware this dilution means that when anyone does try and get the singing to continue they are met with blank looks from other fans who seem to even struggle with the words to 'Arsenal, Arsenal' let alone the intricacies of 'B'Jesus said paddy' (PS Can i ask why do people sing paddy so fast now?'.
We have suggested maybe 'holding' people at the roundabout, but then there is potential for problems. Firstly the Roundabout is becoming more and more of a memorial not only for Denton but for Ben Kinsella as well, and there are on-going negotiations with the council on this point. Therefore we do not want to run into any accusations of being disrespectful, and lets face it this could happen. Everyone is having a laugh someone gets a bit too rowdy trips over and ends up falling on a memorial for instance. Secondly you commented about the club having some influence on the march well to be honest they have no influence whatsoever, they do think its a great idea by the way. The people who do have an influence are the OB, they contacted us prior to the first one as some 'friendly-soul' had been in contact with them to advise that there was going to be a 'civil-disturbance outside 'The Rocket' and that we were intent on marching on the stadium and causing mayhem. They were of course put straight about the aim of the march and they did keep a close eye the first time we did it, and I'm sure they still do to a certain extent. The OB would potentially be less than happy however if the flow of people into the ground was blocked by a significant number of fans gathering outside the armoury, in fact I'm pretty sure that there is a law against congregations of people in the street now?
As you can see therefore it is a bit of a balancing act.
However REDaction is an 'open-forum' and we are working on ideas to both leave the Rocket earlier and to try and keep the momentum going in the ground you can rest assured.
Oh and Gus no it wasn't your thread that we picked the idea up from so no self-congratulations please
Talking of ideas if anyone does have any with regards to the atmosphere at ashburton please feel free to get in touch via the website at:
www.redaction.org.uk
We have suggested maybe 'holding' people at the roundabout, but then there is potential for problems. Firstly the Roundabout is becoming more and more of a memorial not only for Denton but for Ben Kinsella as well, and there are on-going negotiations with the council on this point. Therefore we do not want to run into any accusations of being disrespectful, and lets face it this could happen. Everyone is having a laugh someone gets a bit too rowdy trips over and ends up falling on a memorial for instance. Secondly you commented about the club having some influence on the march well to be honest they have no influence whatsoever, they do think its a great idea by the way. The people who do have an influence are the OB, they contacted us prior to the first one as some 'friendly-soul' had been in contact with them to advise that there was going to be a 'civil-disturbance outside 'The Rocket' and that we were intent on marching on the stadium and causing mayhem. They were of course put straight about the aim of the march and they did keep a close eye the first time we did it, and I'm sure they still do to a certain extent. The OB would potentially be less than happy however if the flow of people into the ground was blocked by a significant number of fans gathering outside the armoury, in fact I'm pretty sure that there is a law against congregations of people in the street now?
As you can see therefore it is a bit of a balancing act.
However REDaction is an 'open-forum' and we are working on ideas to both leave the Rocket earlier and to try and keep the momentum going in the ground you can rest assured.
Oh and Gus no it wasn't your thread that we picked the idea up from so no self-congratulations please

Talking of ideas if anyone does have any with regards to the atmosphere at ashburton please feel free to get in touch via the website at:
www.redaction.org.uk
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- 12thGooner
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Good post.
Fair point with the march ending at the 'Bear Roundabout' as the confluence with non-participants doesn't help when i fizzles out.
A few (hopefully) constructivesuggestions.
During the march, you can see people at the top of the stairs as well as those we pass on the street wondering who we are, whats going on. Perhaps a banner that advertises the fact that its the RedAction supporters group that is doing / organising this would be good advertisement in getting more people involved and paying attention. If used on every march and 'folded away' when entering the ground.
A dedicated section in the 'Doom and Gloomer' Sorry Ed, just messing. The Gooner. This i'm sure would reach many more fans. I appreciate this preference may infringe onther groups associated with the club and its fans. Ed??? and would force more regular updates of activities, if any.
This would probably not happen or be extrememly difficult, but seeing as you are linked on the official club site, would it be possible to do mail outs to registered members or at least those that purchase tickets/ attend games. via the club at their consent.
what do you think??
Fair point with the march ending at the 'Bear Roundabout' as the confluence with non-participants doesn't help when i fizzles out.
A few (hopefully) constructivesuggestions.
During the march, you can see people at the top of the stairs as well as those we pass on the street wondering who we are, whats going on. Perhaps a banner that advertises the fact that its the RedAction supporters group that is doing / organising this would be good advertisement in getting more people involved and paying attention. If used on every march and 'folded away' when entering the ground.
A dedicated section in the 'Doom and Gloomer' Sorry Ed, just messing. The Gooner. This i'm sure would reach many more fans. I appreciate this preference may infringe onther groups associated with the club and its fans. Ed??? and would force more regular updates of activities, if any.
This would probably not happen or be extrememly difficult, but seeing as you are linked on the official club site, would it be possible to do mail outs to registered members or at least those that purchase tickets/ attend games. via the club at their consent.
what do you think??
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All good points.
The banner is something i will definitely bring up at our next drinking session, sorry I mean meeting. Maybe we could get some leaflets printed as well?
We do need to get more active in The Gooner, we know that but to be honest its a time factor for most of us in that the main organisers all have other commitments in terms of businesses familys etc. We have started the 'chant of the month' now so maybe that will help? There is also some reticence amongst members about 'spouting off' too much as it only leads to the reaction alluded to earlier in this thread, namely 'who the fcuk do they think they are etc'.
There have been discussions with the club on this but unfortunately and I don't suppose it is any surprise to you that there are data protection issues, and basically its a non starter.
Keep the ideas coming.
The banner is something i will definitely bring up at our next drinking session, sorry I mean meeting. Maybe we could get some leaflets printed as well?
We do need to get more active in The Gooner, we know that but to be honest its a time factor for most of us in that the main organisers all have other commitments in terms of businesses familys etc. We have started the 'chant of the month' now so maybe that will help? There is also some reticence amongst members about 'spouting off' too much as it only leads to the reaction alluded to earlier in this thread, namely 'who the fcuk do they think they are etc'.
There have been discussions with the club on this but unfortunately and I don't suppose it is any surprise to you that there are data protection issues, and basically its a non starter.

Keep the ideas coming.
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Liar!alanalansunderland wrote:Yes Gurmokh there is a problem with the 'march' sort of fading away once we get to 'The Bears' roundabout. I disagree with your view that most of The Rocket regulars sit in the REDsection, if you look closely when we get to the roundabout there is definitely a big percentage who turn right and up the stairs. This means that the people going left towards the section tend to get swallowed up by the hordes entering the ground. As you are no doubt aware this dilution means that when anyone does try and get the singing to continue they are met with blank looks from other fans who seem to even struggle with the words to 'Arsenal, Arsenal' let alone the intricacies of 'B'Jesus said paddy' (PS Can i ask why do people sing paddy so fast now?'.
We have suggested maybe 'holding' people at the roundabout, but then there is potential for problems. Firstly the Roundabout is becoming more and more of a memorial not only for Denton but for Ben Kinsella as well, and there are on-going negotiations with the council on this point. Therefore we do not want to run into any accusations of being disrespectful, and lets face it this could happen. Everyone is having a laugh someone gets a bit too rowdy trips over and ends up falling on a memorial for instance. Secondly you commented about the club having some influence on the march well to be honest they have no influence whatsoever, they do think its a great idea by the way. The people who do have an influence are the OB, they contacted us prior to the first one as some 'friendly-soul' had been in contact with them to advise that there was going to be a 'civil-disturbance outside 'The Rocket' and that we were intent on marching on the stadium and causing mayhem. They were of course put straight about the aim of the march and they did keep a close eye the first time we did it, and I'm sure they still do to a certain extent. The OB would potentially be less than happy however if the flow of people into the ground was blocked by a significant number of fans gathering outside the armoury, in fact I'm pretty sure that there is a law against congregations of people in the street now?
As you can see therefore it is a bit of a balancing act.
However REDaction is an 'open-forum' and we are working on ideas to both leave the Rocket earlier and to try and keep the momentum going in the ground you can rest assured.
Oh and Gus no it wasn't your thread that we picked the idea up from so no self-congratulations please![]()
Talking of ideas if anyone does have any with regards to the atmosphere at ashburton please feel free to get in touch via the website at:
www.redaction.org.uk

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You refering to the whole quote or just an aspect of it.gus ceasar is a legend wrote:Liar!alanalansunderland wrote:Yes Gurmokh there is a problem with the 'march' sort of fading away once we get to 'The Bears' roundabout. I disagree with your view that most of The Rocket regulars sit in the REDsection, if you look closely when we get to the roundabout there is definitely a big percentage who turn right and up the stairs. This means that the people going left towards the section tend to get swallowed up by the hordes entering the ground. As you are no doubt aware this dilution means that when anyone does try and get the singing to continue they are met with blank looks from other fans who seem to even struggle with the words to 'Arsenal, Arsenal' let alone the intricacies of 'B'Jesus said paddy' (PS Can i ask why do people sing paddy so fast now?'.
We have suggested maybe 'holding' people at the roundabout, but then there is potential for problems. Firstly the Roundabout is becoming more and more of a memorial not only for Denton but for Ben Kinsella as well, and there are on-going negotiations with the council on this point. Therefore we do not want to run into any accusations of being disrespectful, and lets face it this could happen. Everyone is having a laugh someone gets a bit too rowdy trips over and ends up falling on a memorial for instance. Secondly you commented about the club having some influence on the march well to be honest they have no influence whatsoever, they do think its a great idea by the way. The people who do have an influence are the OB, they contacted us prior to the first one as some 'friendly-soul' had been in contact with them to advise that there was going to be a 'civil-disturbance outside 'The Rocket' and that we were intent on marching on the stadium and causing mayhem. They were of course put straight about the aim of the march and they did keep a close eye the first time we did it, and I'm sure they still do to a certain extent. The OB would potentially be less than happy however if the flow of people into the ground was blocked by a significant number of fans gathering outside the armoury, in fact I'm pretty sure that there is a law against congregations of people in the street now?
As you can see therefore it is a bit of a balancing act.
However REDaction is an 'open-forum' and we are working on ideas to both leave the Rocket earlier and to try and keep the momentum going in the ground you can rest assured.
Oh and Gus no it wasn't your thread that we picked the idea up from so no self-congratulations please![]()
Talking of ideas if anyone does have any with regards to the atmosphere at ashburton please feel free to get in touch via the website at:
www.redaction.org.uk
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gus ceasar is a legend wrote:Just the my idea bit so no not the whole thing!


The leaflets are a good idea. Unfortunately most of any leaflet handed out in public ends up on the floor and i'm sure the council, OB and the club would have someting to say about it. The best bet would be your target audience inside the ground., but again i'm sure the club would have something to say about that, unless you did it underground movement stylee.
As for the Gooner page, time is always going to be an issue. So i would suggest that running a constant page/s where you outline detail, current activities and information about where when meet / march etc. That way it doesnt need constant updating, but would give you a regular whole page ad. Seeing as your a not for profit org i'm sure Gooner.Ed wouldn't mind, as its for the cause.. Something similar to the spiel that appears on the club website.
Talking of websites/ forum. I was speaking to BD, assuming you know who that is. and he mentioned having a forum for the RedAction site. However you would be competing with here, and personally i would stay here.

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As others have made suggestions to redaction id like to make one too! First of all i want to say what a great job i think they all doing. if it wasnt for them, we'd been sitting in complete silence.
I dont know if anyone else has noticed, but that is the only section of the ground where a big number of people sing together, and because of that other small groups sitting in the same area will joing in. But anywhere else in the ground, if anyone else sing there lungs out, rather than mumble arsenal, arsenal, arsenal, under there breath they get looked at like nutters.
Why cant red action lads, get a group going in the opposite corner near the away fans, and im sure it will have the same effect. then we can sing the north bank / clock end song how it shood be. rather than one end singing the whole thing.

I dont know if anyone else has noticed, but that is the only section of the ground where a big number of people sing together, and because of that other small groups sitting in the same area will joing in. But anywhere else in the ground, if anyone else sing there lungs out, rather than mumble arsenal, arsenal, arsenal, under there breath they get looked at like nutters.

Why cant red action lads, get a group going in the opposite corner near the away fans, and im sure it will have the same effect. then we can sing the north bank / clock end song how it shood be. rather than one end singing the whole thing.
