Not so Fab

deanparis · Post by **deanparis** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:22 am

Arsene Wenger must go home at night and wonder what he ever has done over the years to deserve the constant backbiting and plain lack of respect that he continually gets from his players. It is all wrong, totally unjustified and maybe those disgruntled individuals should reflect on how and why they got to a certain level of performance instead of criticising the man who is solely responsible in turning them into top class players.

I will be honest that I was hugely surprised and incredibly disappointed with Cesc Fabregas words this morning and feel the Spaniard was out of line. What is it about footballers when they go on international duty that they just feel the need to open up and let their views be known? Cesc obviously decided the minute he linked up with the Spanish squad that it was time to express his great love of Barcelona FC and to slam Wenger - whose vision and philosophy for success is clearly not shared.

I believe that there was a lot of truth in what Cesc said and I think most Arsenal fans were probably nodding their heads in agreement, but to what benefit is it to the football club in him making his views public? Wenger needs everyone pulling in the same direction so we can bring some long overdue silverware to the club, but now his talisman has decided to break ranks and cause some likely ill feeling. Quite what Wenger will make of the comments will no doubt be revealed in Friday's press conference, but I'm sure they will have perturbed the â€˜professor' considerably.

So were these reports in the past two weeks just a simple attempt by the Spaniard to force his way out of the football club and secure a dream move to Barcelona? Trying to angle a move, like Hleb and Adebayor did this summer, via the press doesn't sit well with me and would happily wash my hands of a player who shows a blatant lack of respect for the football club and the manager at the helm. No player is bigger than Arsenal and if he is having grave doubts about the philosophy that his manager is adopting, then there is clearly only one way this sorry situation will lead. It will break my heart to see Cesc ever leave the football club, but you cannot cross that line of authority.

I don't know what my fellow Arsenal fan feels about Cesc, but I really cannot see how his views are helpful to our cause. I feel if a player is discontented then there is little that can be done to remedy the situation. Wenger has to decide whether to back down on his policy in January and go out and bring some established heads in the hope of appeasing Cesc and to be honest a fair few supporters, or accept that the Spaniard wants out and promote Aaron Ramsey to the first team to take the reins from Cesc. The Welshman was absolutely superb Tuesday night and opened most people's eyes of what all the hype was about in the summer around this Â£5m wonder kid from Wales. If Fabregas was to leave it will tough hit for Arsenal fans to take, but I feel the potential of Ramsey will certainly go a long way in cushioning that blow.

barnfield88 · Post by **barnfield88** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:34 am

If want was said is true, then there simply is no other alternative but to let him go. Ade wanted to go and for some reason, we didnt take the money that AC were offering. I for one dont want players in the team, who are goin to slag the manager and other players off. Ever since Gallas had that little moan last season ive wanted him to go, same with Adebayor.

The last thing fans want to see is someone who goes out his way to leave, its times like this that makes you look at the likes of, Toure and Clichy, who keep themselves to themselves and dont go off to the press slaging the team off so they can get their "dream move".....

Im on the fence on this one, im not sure if he has said it or not. Theres been a few times already this season, where Cesc has been in the papers moaning.....We will find out in January if not then, then the summer for sure....

tomkingsbury · Post by **tomkingsbury** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:38 am

im pretty sure everyone has accepted tha cesc will go in the future, but i think ur being a bit OTT wiht your assertions.

Cesc is one of the few players we have that when a rumour circulates is quick to deny it and state his love for the club. He was only saying what most of us thought already. Disappointed wouldnt be the word, if anything im pleased he ahs said it (if he did actually say it) as wenger might do something about it.

but i do beleive wenger was trying his hardest to buy a def mid on deadline day, but just couldt broker a suitable deal in time.

i think u also have to accept we're in an era now (especially with alot of foreign players) whose affiliation for the clubs we support arent as depp rooted as the fans. Personally, i think we're lucky to have players such as cesc, clichy, senderos, djourou etc. who have come up thru the ranks (albeit bought at a young age) and so have some kind of love for the club.

adebayore may or may not have been angling for a move or a new contract, but he's certainly not the first arsenal player to do, and one we need at the moment.

if anything his comments might bring about a more resolute arsenal...

augie · Post by **augie** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:08 am

deanparis wrote:Arsene Wenger must go home at night and wonder what he ever has done over the years to deserve the constant backbiting and plain lack of respect that he continually gets from his players. It is all wrong, totally unjustified and maybe those disgruntled individuals should reflect on how and why they got to a certain level of performance instead of criticising the man who is solely responsible in turning them into top class players.

I will be honest that I was hugely surprised and incredibly disappointed with Cesc Fabregas words this morning and feel the Spaniard was out of line. What is it about footballers when they go on international duty that they just feel the need to open up and let their views be known? Cesc obviously decided the minute he linked up with the Spanish squad that it was time to express his great love of Barcelona FC and to slam Wenger - whose vision and philosophy for success is clearly not shared.

I believe that there was a lot of truth in what Cesc said and I think most Arsenal fans were probably nodding their heads in agreement, but to what benefit is it to the football club in him making his views public? Wenger needs everyone pulling in the same direction so we can bring some long overdue silverware to the club, but now his talisman has decided to break ranks and cause some likely ill feeling. Quite what Wenger will make of the comments will no doubt be revealed in Friday's press conference, but I'm sure they will have perturbed the â€˜professor' considerably.

So were these reports in the past two weeks just a simple attempt by the Spaniard to force his way out of the football club and secure a dream move to Barcelona? Trying to angle a move, like Hleb and Adebayor did this summer, via the press doesn't sit well with me and would happily wash my hands of a player who shows a blatant lack of respect for the football club and the manager at the helm. No player is bigger than Arsenal and if he is having grave doubts about the philosophy that his manager is adopting, then there is clearly only one way this sorry situation will lead. It will break my heart to see Cesc ever leave the football club, but you cannot cross that line of authority.

I don't know what my fellow Arsenal fan feels about Cesc, but I really cannot see how his views are helpful to our cause. I feel if a player is discontented then there is little that can be done to remedy the situation. Wenger has to decide whether to back down on his policy in January and go out and bring some established heads in the hope of appeasing Cesc and to be honest a fair few supporters, or accept that the Spaniard wants out and promote Aaron Ramsey to the first team to take the reins from Cesc. The Welshman was absolutely superb Tuesday night and opened most people's eyes of what all the hype was about in the summer around this Â£5m wonder kid from Wales. If Fabregas was to leave it will tough hit for Arsenal fans to take, but I feel the potential of Ramsey will certainly go a long way in cushioning that blow.

This is a pisstake thread right ???? You are having a go at cesc for saying what the vast vast majority of fans have being saying for some time now

Lets analysise what you say - wenger is solely responsible for turning the likes of cesc into top class stars eh ? Nothing to do with a god given talent that the boy was born with I suppose ? I mean he must have been an ok player for barcelona to have him in their acadamy before we poached him now ? I suppose his progress has nothing to do with the dedication cesc has shown in his short career to date either ? Wenger has done wonderfully well in improving most players that he has coached but to say that he is the only one due credit is bullshit in the extreme

You ask what has wenger done to deserve this criticism ? Firstly to my knowledge wenger wasnt named anywhere in cesc's statement so it wasnt a personal attack but if true it probably was a well deserved attack on the board and/or wenger. Since our invinceable season we have replaced most of our top quality players and replaced them with largely inferior players(almunia for jens,gallas for campbell,denilson/diaby/song for PV4/bert,hleb/eboue for pires and of course greedybollox and rvp for DB10 and henry). Now we have been operating on the thinnest of thin squads with a major lack of quality and numbers. Regardless of whether you believe there is money to spend or not somebody is to blame cos we have not done anything to address glaring needs since summer 2007 and dont appear to be making strides to change the policy either. How much loyalty is wenger and the club allowed to expect from cesc ? His story is vastly different to greedybayor's in that he has been with the club for a few years now and has served us well in that time and not for 1 season either and of course he truely is a world class player as opposed to the togan *word censored* up front who has gone way beyond the point of dilusional

Players like cesc know they have a short career and are motivated by winning and not money. Cesc deserves to have that success and if we as a club are not serious about getting that success and are not going to buy quality players to play alongside cesc to acheive that success then the lad has every reason to feel frustrated and that is why he will leave next summer with the blessing of most Gooners

Clearly you are not one of them

deanparis · Post by **deanparis** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:13 am

think you're over being over the top here, my point is, there was no need for Cesc to come out and say the things he has been saying; it doesnt exactly help anyone.

On the flip side, if you go to the arsenal main page you'll find Cesc backing wenger.

I sonehow feel as long as wenger sits with him he'll sort it out

tomkingsbury · Post by **tomkingsbury** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:23 am

deanparis wrote:think you're over being over the top here, my point is, there was no need for Cesc to come out and say the things he has been saying; it doesnt exactly help anyone.

On the flip side, if you go to the arsenal main page you'll find Cesc backing wenger.

I sonehow feel as long as wenger sits with him he'll sort it out

ur the one being OTT - and it was hardly a barrage on the club and the players. why is there not a need for cesc to come out and say something - what about gallas, adebayor, flamini, hleb, merson, wright, smith etc. everyone is entitled to their opinion, and considering fabregas ahs always given his all for the club, i think he - more than many, has the right to vent his opinions.

rilub · Post by **rilub** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:30 am

Tom, ther's no need to get emotional mate, het a grip

tomkingsbury · Post by **tomkingsbury** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:33 am

rilub wrote:Tom, ther's no need to get emotional mate, het a grip

can u explain how i was getting emotional

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:50 am

This thread has read far too much into a couple of lines by Cesc, that have been blown out of all proportion and had the meaning twisted.

Cesc simply says the truth.

That he no longer has a partner of the calibre of Vieira, or with the workrate of Flamini, or even the experience of Gilberto.

It is a gaping hole in the team, and is costing us vital points.

rilub · Post by **rilub** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:32 pm

QG is right, Fab was saying the obvious, pity the Gaffer cant see it.
if he still blindly thinks this team will pull through till the end of the season then pigs will fly (they do after a couple of red bulls dont they?)

EC3 · Post by **EC3** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:47 pm

Personally i feel deanparis does have a point.

Fabregas goes on about Barcelona on a fairly regular basis, his dream move, his dream club.

Now i maybe wrong and feel free to correct me if i am, but i believe he left Barcelona to join Arsenal!!!!!!!........I assume Barcelona wasn't his dream club back then!!

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:00 pm

EC3 wrote:Personally i feel deanparis does have a point.

Fabregas goes on about Barcelona on a fairly regular basis, his dream move, his dream club.

Now i maybe wrong and feel free to correct me if i am, but i believe he left Barcelona to join Arsenal!!!!!!!........I assume Barcelona wasn't his dream club back then!!

It was his dream club and he is a self proclaimed Barcelona fan.

But he left to get first team football at the earliest age possible, as he would get it earlier at us than at Barcelona, with the aim of returning to Barcelona one day.

EC3 · Post by **EC3** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:06 pm

Quartz - I know that was the reason given for the move, but i don't buy that for one minute.

As with most things, it all comes down to money in the end.

This is an area where Arsenal have and are still leading the way, with that i mean financial inducements for younger players.

I should add, that Fabregas was regarded at the time, as top top class and would definately make it at Barcelona.

His dream club?........he still chose to leave and we disagree as to the reason he left.

Calo · Post by **Calo** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:00 pm

all these cecs threads must be a record

caint wait for everton take our mind of him leaving in the summer

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:34 pm

Calo wrote:all these cecs threads must be a record

caint wait for everton take our mind of him leaving in the summer

and take our mind onto why we have lost again...

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