GadgetMan wrote:...and whille I'm in rant mode (yes, I'm still spitting blood at you crunts with short memories)...I'll be there for the next game, singing, shouting, and wearing my shirt with pride...I'll be urging my team on cos right now they need my support...my club have given me far to much pride and pleasure in the past to abandon them now...I support my team thru thick and thin...GadgetMan wrote:GOD I am so fucked off with you lot who have such short memories...me? I'll be there for the Kiev game and will be screaming my lungs out in support of my team...
...and any of you who arent prepared to do the same...any of you who leave 5 minutes before the end...FFS STAY AT HOME...!!! WE DONT NEED YOU...any of you who want to boo the manager or the players...
A good old fashioned booing was common place a highbury as it was a sign that the fans weren't happy! this doesn't happen nowadays and managers ( not that i think we should get rid of AW) feel untouchable and become complacent! hence our situation of under achieving non pasionate players!
as Conficius said (actually I just made this up!!!)...IT WAS BEAUTIFUL YESTERDAY...ITS RAINING TODAY...IT WILL BE BEAUTIFUL AGAIN TOMORROW...
Official Wenger out thread
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mattbanger
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[quote="Rob
For those who insist Wenger's departure = the death of the Club GROW UP AND GET A LIFE. OR MORE TO THE POINT, A HISTORY.
We were Arsenal long before he was ever heard of and will survive his departure in the same way we've survived every other Manager leaving us.
Life goes on - even for the more hysterical of us.
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I dont need to look at our history...I know our history...
I just need to look at the repercussions if AW goes...go on, answer the question...if AW left at the end of the season who would you get to replace him?...and how would he be better?...will the players respond?...or will the players all leave at the end of the season...they arent there cos its Arsenal...they are there because they want to be with AW...
if youre happy with 5 years of transition...no Titles, no Cups, no CL qualitication...then go ahead and get rid of AW...
For those who insist Wenger's departure = the death of the Club GROW UP AND GET A LIFE. OR MORE TO THE POINT, A HISTORY.
We were Arsenal long before he was ever heard of and will survive his departure in the same way we've survived every other Manager leaving us.
Life goes on - even for the more hysterical of us.
[/quote]I dont need to look at our history...I know our history...
I just need to look at the repercussions if AW goes...go on, answer the question...if AW left at the end of the season who would you get to replace him?...and how would he be better?...will the players respond?...or will the players all leave at the end of the season...they arent there cos its Arsenal...they are there because they want to be with AW...
if youre happy with 5 years of transition...no Titles, no Cups, no CL qualitication...then go ahead and get rid of AW...
Trouble is Wrighty, as awesome a player as he was, is a bit of a twat.....Meds wrote:gadgetman u speak some sense man.
I have an idea why don't wenger bring IAN WRIGHT as assistant manager/motivator. i think he will restore some pride and hunger into the players and remind them how fortunate they are to be playing for the arsenal.
Gooner4ever
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mattbanger
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have we not had and coming up to 5 years of transitionGadgetMan wrote:[quote="Rob
if youre happy with 5 years of transition...no Titles, no Cups, no CL qualitication...then go ahead and get rid of AW...
no one of us wants the club we love to go backwards if and when wenger does leave but without getting into a who is right and who is wrong here, well the club will survive as it has in the past and will continue too in the future, the question is about wengers present judgement with most now believing he has in a part lost the plot a wee bit, we can name every team he puts out, and all of them have 5-6 players we know are not good enough for the arsenal, no one man has had as much power over the club as he has and he knows the board will never fire him but let him continue in his quest for trophies with the youngest possible team, he knew as we all did where our faults lay at the start of the season and did nowt about it, so the buck stops with him, and i for one believe he is too stubborn and proud to ever except he is wrong
maybe it is time for a change but i would prefer if wenger woke up and saw what has too be done and fixed it himself, if not then maybe it is time for a change
Right Gadgetman just for you...here are the answers.GadgetMan wrote:[...go on, answer the question...if AW left at the end of the season who would you get to replace him?...and how would he be better?...will the players respond?...or will the players all leave at the end of the season...they arent there cos its Arsenal...they are there because they want to be with AW...
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I have no idea who would replace him but I doubt if there would be a shortage of applicants.
He would be better because AW has run out of gas. He can't or won't lift the players. He refuses to make the signings we require and appears to be concerned primarily with reducing the average age of the squad as though that is an achievement in itself.
Any Manager coming in who saw his main job as producing a winning team - even if 'Heaven forbid' - it was just 1 -0 to the Arsenal would be better, than a Manager who is losing games two and three to nil.
The suggestion that players are there for AW alone is risible.
THEY ARE THERE, BECAUSE WE ARE PAYING THEM FORTY, FIFTY AND SIXTY THOUSAND POUNDS A WEEK.
Much of it is undeserved. Cesc is our only world class catch and he will not hang around beyond this seasons end anyway.
A new broom will sweep clean and any incoiming Manager will ineviatably have his own momentum at least for the initial period. See Redknapp at Spurs !
Wenger can still change all this if only he will now change tack and realsie that the current situaltion is untenable.
Will he ? I am more and more convinced that he would much rather lose to Man Cit 0 - 3 than admit his blueprint is a failure. He's too stubbon and too proud and sadly not under enough pressure from the supine Board to deliver. As Jose Mourinhio correctly pointed out.
I've read too much bullshit on this thread to just let it pass without commenting -
This great club existed and was successful for over a century before the great wenger graced our club and believe me it will be the same after he has left. Those morons who continually ask who is out there that can do a better job then wenger speak as if they knew when we hired him he would turn out to be a legend in our club FFS wenger was unknown and has done a fab job with us since so who is to say that someone else isnt out there that your poor little mind cant think of but would come in and do a great job too. Anyway when you say there is nopbody out there that can do a better job than wenger then you are obviously talking about pre the last 2-3 seasons when my mother could have done no worse (slight exageration I know 
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The problem with wenger right now is not that the team is badly underperforming and lacking quality in some areas but more down to the fact that he cannot see it. I think most fans would be patient and give him the time to turn it around if they felt that he was aware of the probs and was making a real effort to fix them buit that aint going to be the case. Please dont spout any bullshit about wenger knowing about the probs and being unable to fix them until jan cos those problems were glaringly obvious to all and sundry in august too. How many times this season has wenger come out and stated that his players/teams were not up for a game ? That is his fcuking job too and maybe like gallas he should start taking responsibility for his own shortcomings as well
This great club existed and was successful for over a century before the great wenger graced our club and believe me it will be the same after he has left. Those morons who continually ask who is out there that can do a better job then wenger speak as if they knew when we hired him he would turn out to be a legend in our club
FFS wenger was unknown and has done a fab job with us since so who is to say that someone else isnt out there that your poor little mind cant think of but would come in and do a great job too. Anyway when you say there is nopbody out there that can do a better job than wenger then you are obviously talking about pre the last 2-3 seasons when my mother could have done no worse (slight exageration I know ).The problem with wenger right now is not that the team is badly underperforming and lacking quality in some areas but more down to the fact that he cannot see it. I think most fans would be patient and give him the time to turn it around if they felt that he was aware of the probs and was making a real effort to fix them buit that aint going to be the case. Please dont spout any bullshit about wenger knowing about the probs and being unable to fix them until jan cos those problems were glaringly obvious to all and sundry in august too. How many times this season has wenger come out and stated that his players/teams were not up for a game ? That is his fcuking job too and maybe like gallas he should start taking responsibility for his own shortcomings as well
of course there wont be a shortage of applicants!!! bugger it, i might even apply myself!!!...the pertinent point is 'Who is out there who would be good enough?'...'Who's out there who could improve what we have right now FOR THE LONG TERM'Rob wrote:Right Gadgetman just for you...here are the answers.GadgetMan wrote:[...go on, answer the question...if AW left at the end of the season who would you get to replace him?...and how would he be better?...will the players respond?...or will the players all leave at the end of the season...they arent there cos its Arsenal...they are there because they want to be with AW...
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I have no idea who would replace him but I doubt if there would be a shortage of applicants.
He would be better because AW has run out of gas. He can't or won't lift the players. He refuses to make the signings we require and appears to be concerned primarily with reducing the average age of the squad as though that is an achievement in itself.
Any Manager coming in who saw his main job as producing a winning team - even if 'Heaven forbid' - it was just 1 -0 to the Arsenal would be better, than a Manager who is losing games two and three to nil.
The suggestion that players are there for AW alone is risible.
THEY ARE THERE, BECAUSE WE ARE PAYING THEM FORTY, FIFTY AND SIXTY THOUSAND POUNDS A WEEK.
Much of it is undeserved. Cesc is our only world class catch and he will not hang around beyond this seasons end anyway.
A new broom will sweep clean and any incoiming Manager will ineviatably have his own momentum at least for the initial period. See Redknapp at Spurs !
Wenger can still change all this if only he will now change tack and realsie that the current situaltion is untenable.
Will he ? I am more and more convinced that he would much rather lose to Man Cit 0 - 3 than admit his blueprint is a failure. He's too stubbon and too proud and sadly not under enough pressure from the supine Board to deliver. As Jose Mourinhio correctly pointed out.
I'll tell you what...Mclaren will have completed rehab in FC Twente by the end of the season...Mourinho has said he wants to come back to the P'Ship...would you take either of them...I know my answer and it ends in OFF...
all you wannabe managers out there, name names...who out there would you take to replace AW in the knowledge that he would get you CL qualification next season...
everyone's been bleating on about getting in a new GK, a new DM, a new rock in Defence...and the criteria is that they must be experienced CL players...BUT nobody has mentioned any names...who do you think is out there with those qualifications who we could sign without any competition from other clubs...
dont get me wrong...i dont wear rose tinted spectacles...i know some of the players who are currently playing for us are simply not good enough...and AW has made some serious errors of judgement...but it seems to me that some of you want change simply cos we are going thru a tough time at the moment...and that you think that change for change sake will automatically make things better...
personally I think that Gallas has done us a BIG favour...he will be the catalyst for AW to make some major changes...he will really shake things up now...he will go out and buy in january cos he will now see he has too...
but i say it again...AW is THE MAN to turn it around...no-one else qualifies...if any of you disagree with me, name a manager who is available and could do the job....
and to the previous poster...yes, I am STONE COLD SOBER....!
That's a really great shout that Rob & Augie. A great post.Rob wrote:Augie - I doff my hat to you. On the button.
It's time for AW to really earn his crust in what unarguably is his most difficult time.
He does need to stand up and take responsibility rather than extract another meanlingless excuse of "I feel it was a very, very tight game," it didn't look that tight to me. He needs to stand up and be the man we hope / know / think he is.
O'Leary
yes i agree nobody had heard about AW before he signed...to those of you who say 'we can go out and find another AW'...I'll tell you the differnece between this time and 1997...last time we had a David Dein to make an informed decision to hire AW....we dont have a DD type character at the club right now...FFS we havent even be able to replace HIM for over 18 months...so what chance do we have of unearthing a man to take over from AW?...would you trust Hill-Wood to hire the right man?
like i said, Mclaren will have completed rehab at the end of the season...any takers?
like i said, Mclaren will have completed rehab at the end of the season...any takers?
