arsenals a selling club
I agree with Daz but remember there are still talks, example C.Ronaldo last summer, Eto and the bucktoothed at various times over the last year rumoured to go but yes, unless they are clearly dissatisfied or wishful dreaming that so-and-so comes to England, it doesn't really happen as it does with Arsenal
I don't think Manu the porno star said that & niether did some of the other former Arsenal greats
Alan Smith at the moment is the only player (along with Frankie sorry) are the only players that believe Arsenal can do something this season but the rest like Merson who changing there minds all the time about Arsenal & possibley putting the team down
Alan Smith at the moment is the only player (along with Frankie sorry) are the only players that believe Arsenal can do something this season but the rest like Merson who changing there minds all the time about Arsenal & possibley putting the team down
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I Hate Hleb
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DAZ10,
ALTHOUGH I HAVE SOME SYMPATHY WITH YOUR ARGUMENT, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD I CAN THINK OF THESE COUPLE THAT COULD BE SAID TO REFUTE YOUR ARGUMENT:
FIGO (BARCA TO REAL, AND BARCA DIDN'T WANT TO SELL)
ZIDANE (JUVE TO MADRID, AND JUVE DIDN'T WANT TO SELL. IT TOOK A WORLD RECORD FEE)
CRESPO (MILAN TO CHELSEA - SAME THING)
THERE ARE PLENTY MORE BUT YOU GET THE POINT. ALTHOUGH I PERSONALLY DON'T CATAGORIZE THEM AS A BIG CLUB, CHELSEA MIGHT BE FORCED TO SELL ROBIN TO MADRID - EVEN THOUGH THEY COULD AFFORD FINANCIALLY TO SAY NO.
YES IT'S FRUSTRATING THAT ARSENAL DON'T SAY 'NO, HE IS NOT FOR SALE AT ANY PRICE', BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT IS EASY TO SAY BUT DIFFICULT TO DO - ESPECIALLY IN OUR CURRENT FINANCIAL POSITION.
THE THING IS, WE ALL KNOW THAT MONEY TALKS AND WHEN A CLUB OFFER ENOUGH OF THE GREEN STUFF, OR A PLAYER'S HEAD IS TURNED, THERE IS NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE.
THE ONLY TIME I CAN EVER REMEMBER ARSENAL SAYING AS MUCH WAS WHEN CHELSEA WANTED THIERRY HENRY A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK. DAVID DEIN SAID THEIRRY WAS NOT FOR SELL - EVEN AT £50 MILLION!
THAT IS PROBABLY THE EXCEPTION THAT PROVES THE RULE!!
ALTHOUGH I HAVE SOME SYMPATHY WITH YOUR ARGUMENT, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD I CAN THINK OF THESE COUPLE THAT COULD BE SAID TO REFUTE YOUR ARGUMENT:
FIGO (BARCA TO REAL, AND BARCA DIDN'T WANT TO SELL)
ZIDANE (JUVE TO MADRID, AND JUVE DIDN'T WANT TO SELL. IT TOOK A WORLD RECORD FEE)
CRESPO (MILAN TO CHELSEA - SAME THING)
THERE ARE PLENTY MORE BUT YOU GET THE POINT. ALTHOUGH I PERSONALLY DON'T CATAGORIZE THEM AS A BIG CLUB, CHELSEA MIGHT BE FORCED TO SELL ROBIN TO MADRID - EVEN THOUGH THEY COULD AFFORD FINANCIALLY TO SAY NO.
YES IT'S FRUSTRATING THAT ARSENAL DON'T SAY 'NO, HE IS NOT FOR SALE AT ANY PRICE', BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT IS EASY TO SAY BUT DIFFICULT TO DO - ESPECIALLY IN OUR CURRENT FINANCIAL POSITION.
THE THING IS, WE ALL KNOW THAT MONEY TALKS AND WHEN A CLUB OFFER ENOUGH OF THE GREEN STUFF, OR A PLAYER'S HEAD IS TURNED, THERE IS NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE.
THE ONLY TIME I CAN EVER REMEMBER ARSENAL SAYING AS MUCH WAS WHEN CHELSEA WANTED THIERRY HENRY A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK. DAVID DEIN SAID THEIRRY WAS NOT FOR SELL - EVEN AT £50 MILLION!
THAT IS PROBABLY THE EXCEPTION THAT PROVES THE RULE!!
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daz10_uk
IHH although youve got a point youre talking about 3 player from 3 different clubs over the last 6ish years. Why does it seem we are the only supporters sweating over our players every summer? Still stand by what ive said earlier we arent in the top tier of European football thats why our players get heads turned.. Please read what i wrote at trhe end of my first post im not trying to provoke arguments but i think im right
Correct me if I am wrong on this IHH, but didnt figo & zidane move cos the clubs bid the required amount stated as the buy out clauses in their contracts meaning that the selling clubs had no option but to sell the players ? Have to say I love it (not) when I see other fans making comments on our club while looking through rose tinted glasses. You want examples of deals that make us a selling club ?
Anelka : Club didnt want to sell him but bowed down to pressure
Overmars & Petit : Again these players wanted to go the
spanish "giants"(where they won nothing in 4 years
mind you) and the club backed down again.
Henry : Hasn't wenger stated that he didnt want henry to go but because
the player wanted out we backed down again. Even last year it
was henry that made the decision to stay and not the club ruling
out a transfer
Some fans cite the PV4 case as a example to say that we are not a selling club but imo this statement is only true to a point - wasnt it also a case that on one of the summers in question when real were chasing him that it was Paddy himself that pulled the plug on the transfer at the 11th hour ? If so this again suggests that we would have sold him as well. Sometimes it isnt just about the timing of the sale but it is about how the whole deal is viewed across the footballing world. When we sold PV4(& to a lesser degree henry) we sold what were seen as figureheads of our club and on each occasion we failed to replace them(dont give me any flannel about cesc taking Vieira's place because imo the two of them should have been the pairing of choice that season). We as fans may be happy with the change since PV4 left(although I aint) but to the rest of the world we are viewed as a club that cannot keep its stars and that makes a difference when you are trying to attract top players to your club. It also sends messages to your existing players (especially to the young players) that if a bigger club comes calling we will not refuse their advances. The day when we tell these other clubs to piss off publicly when they initiate their advances and stand firm is the day that the world will stop seeing us as a selling club. After all can you honestly say that any other big club would let their top players decide if they are staying or not in the way we allowed Vieira & henry to do ? Nah didnt think so
Anelka : Club didnt want to sell him but bowed down to pressure
Overmars & Petit : Again these players wanted to go the
spanish "giants"(where they won nothing in 4 years
mind you) and the club backed down again.
Henry : Hasn't wenger stated that he didnt want henry to go but because
the player wanted out we backed down again. Even last year it
was henry that made the decision to stay and not the club ruling
out a transfer
Some fans cite the PV4 case as a example to say that we are not a selling club but imo this statement is only true to a point - wasnt it also a case that on one of the summers in question when real were chasing him that it was Paddy himself that pulled the plug on the transfer at the 11th hour ? If so this again suggests that we would have sold him as well. Sometimes it isnt just about the timing of the sale but it is about how the whole deal is viewed across the footballing world. When we sold PV4(& to a lesser degree henry) we sold what were seen as figureheads of our club and on each occasion we failed to replace them(dont give me any flannel about cesc taking Vieira's place because imo the two of them should have been the pairing of choice that season). We as fans may be happy with the change since PV4 left(although I aint) but to the rest of the world we are viewed as a club that cannot keep its stars and that makes a difference when you are trying to attract top players to your club. It also sends messages to your existing players (especially to the young players) that if a bigger club comes calling we will not refuse their advances. The day when we tell these other clubs to piss off publicly when they initiate their advances and stand firm is the day that the world will stop seeing us as a selling club. After all can you honestly say that any other big club would let their top players decide if they are staying or not in the way we allowed Vieira & henry to do ? Nah didnt think so
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YOU ARE 100% CORRECT AUGIE. THAT WAS INDEED THE CASE.augie wrote:Correct me if I am wrong on this IHH, but didnt figo & zidane move cos the clubs bid the required amount stated as the buy out clauses in their contracts meaning that the selling clubs had no option but to sell the players ?
I WAS JUST TRYING TO SHOW A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES WHERE SO-CALLED 'BIG TEAMS' ALSO LOST PLAYERS AGAINST THEIR WILL.
AS FOR THE REST OF YOUR POST, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE AND I THINK YOU'LL FIND - READING THROUGH SOME OF MY OTHER POSTS ELSEWHERE - THAT WE ARE ALMOST SINGING OFF THE SAME HYMN SHEET!!
TRUTH IS THAT WE ARE A MASSIVE CLUB BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE ALLURE OF THE LIKES OF A REAL MADRID, MAN UNITED AND BARCA. YET!!
HOWEVER WE ARE GROWING EVERY YEAR AND PROVIDED THAT WE KEEP CHALLENGING FOR THE PREMIERSHIP AND CHAMPIONS LEAGUE, WE SHOULD IN TIME REACH THAT LEVEL. A COUPLE OF CHAMPIONS LEAGUE TROPHIES WOULDN'T DO ANY HARM EITHER!!
LIKE AUGIE SAYS THOUGH, IT IS IMPORTANT WE KEEP OUR BETTER PLAYERS TO ALLOW US TO ACCOMPLISH THE FIRST IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE SECOND.
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gunnerhead
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You can argue endlessly about what we've done in the past with Pires, Overmars, Viera and Anelka. Sure we sold those players but they've been replaced (for the most part) by players such as Rosicky, Fabregas and Walcott. As for a striker, Da Silva is going to surprise many.
If you look at this off-season, the notable names we sold were Henry and Ljungberg. They both left by choice. What's the point of keeping players that don't want to stay? Henry's body posture last season made it obvious his heart wasn't in it. Ljungberg hardly played either but nobody mentions him much because we have midfielders coming out the seams.
If selling players means we'll get a bunch of guys who actually want to wear the red-and-white which we have now, what could be better?
As for other teams: Real Madrid tried their best to get Kaka from AC Milan. Ronaldinho's price tag is at 50 million pounds I think and there are only a handful of teams willing to shell out that kind of retarded coinage. We aren't the only ones who have to deal with theiving clubs.
If anything we should take it as a compliment and flip em off when they don't succeed -- I enjoyed doing that to Real this summer!
If you look at this off-season, the notable names we sold were Henry and Ljungberg. They both left by choice. What's the point of keeping players that don't want to stay? Henry's body posture last season made it obvious his heart wasn't in it. Ljungberg hardly played either but nobody mentions him much because we have midfielders coming out the seams.
If selling players means we'll get a bunch of guys who actually want to wear the red-and-white which we have now, what could be better?
As for other teams: Real Madrid tried their best to get Kaka from AC Milan. Ronaldinho's price tag is at 50 million pounds I think and there are only a handful of teams willing to shell out that kind of retarded coinage. We aren't the only ones who have to deal with theiving clubs.
If anything we should take it as a compliment and flip em off when they don't succeed -- I enjoyed doing that to Real this summer!
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the only reason this story was published was that the daily mirror would of interviewed around 20 ex players waiting for one of them to say what they want to write in the first place. would the story of petit saying were going to win the league be printed? no fucking chance. lads all the media do is heap total shit on us. take it as a pinch of salt. its one persons view.
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It's quite simple really every single person on this thread from both sides of the debate has made valid points that no-one can argue with whether optimist or pessimist!
In global (European) terms we are not yet a big club altho we are not the worst offenders in thinking we are I mean you just have to look to our unfortunate neighbours to see how deluded football fans can become!
In fact AW has stated many times that bringing our club to the top table became his mission when he took over the club, and it's probably going to be a harsh reality that as long as he keeps turning good talents into world class players they are going to be targeted by the bigger fish just as we do to smaller clubs altho I would hate to think we'd be so arrogant about it!
On the brighter side tho, it means we actually have players who are coveted, cos I'd be more worried if no-one wanted them so it sort of comes with the territory and if we are bein realistic we have had more than our fair share of players who were the best in their positions in the world, and there can't be many clubs in the world who are growing as fast as ours and hopefully we'll soon be in a position to resist these overtures, altho it'll probably take a CL win to confirm our status, and a nicer climate wouldn't do any harm either
In global (European) terms we are not yet a big club altho we are not the worst offenders in thinking we are I mean you just have to look to our unfortunate neighbours to see how deluded football fans can become!
In fact AW has stated many times that bringing our club to the top table became his mission when he took over the club, and it's probably going to be a harsh reality that as long as he keeps turning good talents into world class players they are going to be targeted by the bigger fish just as we do to smaller clubs altho I would hate to think we'd be so arrogant about it!
On the brighter side tho, it means we actually have players who are coveted, cos I'd be more worried if no-one wanted them so it sort of comes with the territory and if we are bein realistic we have had more than our fair share of players who were the best in their positions in the world, and there can't be many clubs in the world who are growing as fast as ours and hopefully we'll soon be in a position to resist these overtures, altho it'll probably take a CL win to confirm our status, and a nicer climate wouldn't do any harm either
