I WANT YOU OUT! things are far from rosey at Arsenal but Wenger has given you more happy moments including 2 doubles and a unbeaten season Show the man some fucking respect he has more than earnt it!Calo wrote:judge at the end of the season BUT no trophy then i want him out
Official Wenger out thread
-
TheOne2Smooth
- Posts: 3799
- Joined: Sun May 07, 2006 11:45 am
- Location: Leyton by way of Hackney
-
DB10GOONER
- Posts: 62152
- Joined: Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:06 pm
- Location: Dublin, Ireland.
- Contact:
My take on the AW out thing is I'm prepared to back him until May 2010. That gives him plenty of time to nurture this young team, add some strength and develop them into world beaters (seeing as he's apparently been doing that since Summer 2007 - he keeps saying the team is "nearly" complete - well, complete the fucking team Arsene).
So, for me, that'll be 3 seasons devoted to his great youth experiment. If, after May 2010, we are still without a major trophy and scrapping for 4th place then that would be it for me - time to look to a new manager.
In relation to Smoothies comments above, I agree that we owe him respect, but I don't believe anyone is entitled to hold onto their job indefinitely based on previous success. Sure, we can and should respect what he has done for us, but there has to come a time where we say "that's it - the club is no longer going forward on the pitch, his time is up."
Everything comes to an end.
So, for me, that'll be 3 seasons devoted to his great youth experiment. If, after May 2010, we are still without a major trophy and scrapping for 4th place then that would be it for me - time to look to a new manager.
In relation to Smoothies comments above, I agree that we owe him respect, but I don't believe anyone is entitled to hold onto their job indefinitely based on previous success. Sure, we can and should respect what he has done for us, but there has to come a time where we say "that's it - the club is no longer going forward on the pitch, his time is up."
Everything comes to an end.
-
barnfield88
- Posts: 657
- Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:18 am
- Location: Borehamwood
-
Eboue-Why?
- Posts: 4216
- Joined: Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:26 pm
- Location: Sunny Surrey
I can't believe some of our supporters. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if you think he should be sacked now then fine. But surely he's done enough over the last 10 years to be given time to realise the mistakes he's made/making and put it right? I totally agree that he took huge risks in the summer believing that the squad was good enough to go that one stage further than last season. Win at Old Trafford and we were champions. What happened at St Andrews that day completely derailed the train and even with that disastrous loss of form, had we held onto the lead in Manchester.....Yep, all ifs and buts, but clearly he looked at that statistic and thought we could push again but he was wrong. January window? Unlikely to produce anyone of significance coming in for the obvious reasons so hasn't this man earned the right to stay in his office until at least next summer to rectify his mistakes?
I know we should be up there fighting for the title but we're not and it's at times like this that the players need 60000 supporters giving them and the manager exactly that, SUPPORT. But AFC fans unfortunately some of them anyway, don't have that mentality and even though you're are completely entitled to your opinion, when you go through that turnstile, you have to give that team backing or else this hole will get deeper.
But of course, a draw or defeat tomorrow and the few thousand who bother to stay till the end will still boo.
YOUR TEAM NEEDS YOU NOW!
I know we should be up there fighting for the title but we're not and it's at times like this that the players need 60000 supporters giving them and the manager exactly that, SUPPORT. But AFC fans unfortunately some of them anyway, don't have that mentality and even though you're are completely entitled to your opinion, when you go through that turnstile, you have to give that team backing or else this hole will get deeper.
But of course, a draw or defeat tomorrow and the few thousand who bother to stay till the end will still boo.
YOUR TEAM NEEDS YOU NOW!
-
DB10GOONER
- Posts: 62152
- Joined: Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:06 pm
- Location: Dublin, Ireland.
- Contact:
Seriously. How long do you give him to "realise his mistakes"?? He's made the same mistakes over and over. He refuses to correct those mistakes.Eboue-Why? wrote:I can't believe some of our supporters. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if you think he should be sacked now then fine. But surely he's done enough over the last 10 years to be given time to realise the mistakes he's made/making and put it right?
He weakened an already weak squad last summer. How can you look at a squad not good enough to win the PL and then weaken that squad further and honestly think you can do better?? It baffles me.
He has not delivered anything of note since the PL in 2004, bar one shit FA cup fluke over manure and a CL final appearance in 2006. No PL in 5 seasons (I count this season because that squad will NOT win it).
It is not disloyal to question the management of the team or the club. We pay the fucking money - they earn the money; if anything they owe us - the loyal fans that support the club with our time and our hard earned cash.
Honestly, if we are still in the same shit in May 2010 then that's it for me - he has to go then. It'll sadden me because I love the man and what he has achieved for us...
But I love the Arsenal more.
sack AW now is crazy
I would wait until the end of winter transfer window to see if AW buy any player to save our team
if he fails to do so and we are trophyless at the end of the season, he should go
and he should go at late May to give as much time as possible to the new manager to restructure our team
I would wait until the end of winter transfer window to see if AW buy any player to save our team
if he fails to do so and we are trophyless at the end of the season, he should go
and he should go at late May to give as much time as possible to the new manager to restructure our team
DB10GOONER wrote:Seriously. How long do you give him to "realise his mistakes"?? He's made the same mistakes over and over. He refuses to correct those mistakes.Eboue-Why? wrote:I can't believe some of our supporters. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if you think he should be sacked now then fine. But surely he's done enough over the last 10 years to be given time to realise the mistakes he's made/making and put it right?
He weakened an already weak squad last summer. How can you look at a squad not good enough to win the PL and then weaken that squad further and honestly think you can do better?? It baffles me.
He has not delivered anything of note since the PL in 2004, bar one shit FA cup fluke over manure and a CL final appearance in 2006. No PL in 5 seasons (I count this season because that squad will NOT win it).
It is not disloyal to question the management of the team or the club. We pay the fucking money - they earn the money; if anything they owe us - the loyal fans that support the club with our time and our hard earned cash.
Honestly, if we are still in the same shit in May 2010 then that's it for me - he has to go then. It'll sadden me because I love the man and what he has achieved for us...
But I love the Arsenal more.
Nicely put DB10
-
Eboue-Why?
- Posts: 4216
- Joined: Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:26 pm
- Location: Sunny Surrey
DB10Gooner, I take on board everything you say and I'm not saying you shouldn't criticise at all. But over the last few weeks the manager has come in for some real shit, almost verging on people trying to hound him out of the club and personally I think that at this stage it is totally out of order and is disrespectful to the man. He looked at the squad in the summer and thought that one year on these players were good enough to sustain another challenge as they were a year older, more experienced etc. I totally agree with you that he got it wrong and in no way am I saying he shouldn't be questioned. However, some of the hatred, and that's what it is slowly turning to, towards the man is unbelievable. Assuming you go to games, that kind of feeling is gonna be taken through the turnstile and transmitted in the ground and I just think it's too soon to be turning on the manager like people are doing on here and therefore turning on the players too. It's gonna get us nowhere.
He has to be given the chance to turn it around. I say again, however empty the trophy cabinet has been recently, Wenger deserves our support in trying to turn it around.
He has to be given the chance to turn it around. I say again, however empty the trophy cabinet has been recently, Wenger deserves our support in trying to turn it around.
Eboue-Why ? The name kind of gives it away, doesn't it ?
I don't think the more rational fans are trying to direct 'hatered' toward Wenger or anyone else ( even Eboue) but we are past the point of simply sitting on our hands and parting with our money whilst Wenger carries on down a path that many of feel is a dead end.
As your name suggests 'Why' ?
Why does Wenger persist with players who clearly aren't up for it ? Why does he say this is the best group of players he's ever worked with ?
If you were DB10 - for example - what would you think reading that ?
Or Tony Adams ? Or Henry ?
Now apparenly a Captain is not a prerequisite for a successful side, according to Wenger. The entire history of football, shows that great teams have great leaders. TA6 and PV4 ; not to mention Joe Mercer and Frank McClintock, for us. Bobby Moore for England in 1966. Beckenbauer for Germany and numerous other examples.
Wenger by almost his every utterence is digging him and us in deeper and deeper. His press conferences post match and certainly post City are embarrassing.
Hatered is never excusable or advisable. But the idea that he needs to be given time to turn around a situation that he himself has engineered from top to bottom, looks increasingly falacious to many of us.
I give him to the end of the season. He can start the renewal by acting in this coming transfer window. But it wouldn't surprise me one little bit if we sign no one in that time frame. And if so - the die will be cast as Wenger will be ever further removed from reality as we slip further and further behind the other EPL teams in relative and absolute terms.
I don't think the more rational fans are trying to direct 'hatered' toward Wenger or anyone else ( even Eboue) but we are past the point of simply sitting on our hands and parting with our money whilst Wenger carries on down a path that many of feel is a dead end.
As your name suggests 'Why' ?
Why does Wenger persist with players who clearly aren't up for it ? Why does he say this is the best group of players he's ever worked with ?
If you were DB10 - for example - what would you think reading that ?
Or Tony Adams ? Or Henry ?
Now apparenly a Captain is not a prerequisite for a successful side, according to Wenger. The entire history of football, shows that great teams have great leaders. TA6 and PV4 ; not to mention Joe Mercer and Frank McClintock, for us. Bobby Moore for England in 1966. Beckenbauer for Germany and numerous other examples.
Wenger by almost his every utterence is digging him and us in deeper and deeper. His press conferences post match and certainly post City are embarrassing.
Hatered is never excusable or advisable. But the idea that he needs to be given time to turn around a situation that he himself has engineered from top to bottom, looks increasingly falacious to many of us.
I give him to the end of the season. He can start the renewal by acting in this coming transfer window. But it wouldn't surprise me one little bit if we sign no one in that time frame. And if so - the die will be cast as Wenger will be ever further removed from reality as we slip further and further behind the other EPL teams in relative and absolute terms.
-
Eboue-Why?
- Posts: 4216
- Joined: Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:26 pm
- Location: Sunny Surrey
Rob, as with DB10Gooner, I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying and you are highlighting all of the mistakes he has made. But the only reason for joining this discussion is because it's entitled 'Official Wenger out thread' and whilst I'm 110% for voicing where he's got it wrong, I also think that, and I say it again cos I believe that's what some fans are trying to do, hounding the man out of the club is a disgrace.
January traditionally never produces the chances to get top players which is why I believe he should be given until at least the summer to address the many problems.
At Old Trafford last April, the fans who sang their hearts out for 20 mins non stop were not chanting 'Wenger Out'. 6 months later after he made mistakes not buying experience, that chant is getting louder and I just think it's miles too early and out of order.
YOUR TEAM NEEDS ALL OF OUR SUPPORT. STAY TILL THE END AND SING YOUR HEARTS OUT FOR THE LADS!
January traditionally never produces the chances to get top players which is why I believe he should be given until at least the summer to address the many problems.
At Old Trafford last April, the fans who sang their hearts out for 20 mins non stop were not chanting 'Wenger Out'. 6 months later after he made mistakes not buying experience, that chant is getting louder and I just think it's miles too early and out of order.
YOUR TEAM NEEDS ALL OF OUR SUPPORT. STAY TILL THE END AND SING YOUR HEARTS OUT FOR THE LADS!
Every manager has his sell by date.
prime example Brian Clough.
Won two European cups with Notts Forest then lived off of it for years with Forest doing jack shit. Now look at there prediciment after he sent them down.
As for PHW sprouting the AW has a job for life crap, I remember the same BS when George Graham was in his prime.
Four years without a trophy is not good enough for a team like Arsenal.
60,000 supporters week in week out paying the most expensive prices in the UK.
If Wenger cannot see the problems with this team then i am afraid he is past his sell by date just as Brian Clough was, I only hope Arsenal dont follow the Notts Forest Route.
prime example Brian Clough.
Won two European cups with Notts Forest then lived off of it for years with Forest doing jack shit. Now look at there prediciment after he sent them down.
As for PHW sprouting the AW has a job for life crap, I remember the same BS when George Graham was in his prime.
Four years without a trophy is not good enough for a team like Arsenal.
60,000 supporters week in week out paying the most expensive prices in the UK.
If Wenger cannot see the problems with this team then i am afraid he is past his sell by date just as Brian Clough was, I only hope Arsenal dont follow the Notts Forest Route.
