Questions for a Liverpool site

[SPUDMASHER]

Fuck 'em. They obviously have issues up there.

I would comment more but I'm off to listen to that good old Liverpudlian song "Yellow Submarine".

[DB10GOONER]

Fuck 'em. They obviously have issues up there.

I would comment more but I'm off to listen to that good old Liverpudlian song "Yellow Submarine".

Racist.

[REB]

Anyone asking most of those questions of a Liverpool fan is either naive, stupid or a shit stirrer.

I thought that I put my questions without any disrespect to Arsenal or its fans - the questions that were asked in return were unfortunately not in that spirit. In any case, I'm not here as a representative of Liverpool fans, just as someone collecting material for an article. Which is why I say, if you are seriously keen for answers, come and ask them at RAWK, where people with more intimate knowledge of some of the events mentioned than myself will give you some answers.

If not, then those questions were just a cheap shot from an internet warrior.

did you not get serious answers then never had any problem with liverpool in the sense they don't register as much as chelsea spurs or man u but after reading the shite on that thread i really hope to stuff the *word censored* on sun, 29 years of non league winning seasons has turned them very bitter, thank fuck the 2 yanks they have as owners are also fucking them up, inbred racists *word censored*

[DB10GOONER]

Hey did anyone else notice that one of those fuckwits on there had 26000 posts??!! 26000!

Jaysus...

Get.
Out.
More.

[gus ceasar is a legend]

Hey did anyone else notice that one of those fuckwits on there had 26000 posts??!! 26000!

Jaysus...

Get.
Out.
More.

More time on your hands to post when you aint got a job!

[REB]

Fuck 'em. They obviously have issues up there.

I would comment more but I'm off to listen to that good old Liverpudlian song "Yellow Submarine".

very racist

[DB10GOONER]

Hey did anyone else notice that one of those fuckwits on there had 26000 posts??!! 26000!

Jaysus...

Get.
Out.
More.

More time on your hands to post when you aint got a job!

How do they get all the time to rob stuff, charge turnstiles and develop their persecution complexes then??

[flash gunner]

Ive always hated Liverpool more so than Manure or Chelski but behind sp*rs. Hate the bullshit scouse humour bollocks and total lack of responsibilty for Heysel and Hilsborough more recently the diving and cheating of "Stevie G" (I hate that fucking name)

Wankers the lot of 'em

[carra]

Hi Radford. Good questions, i'll try and answer.

questions

1. why still the victim mentality?)

I don't agree with the word 'victim' but it goes back to the late 70s/80s, when the city of Liverpool was fucked over by the tory goverment and lost the majority of its industry.

2. do you feel any guilt about the fact that your actions have directly caused the advent of the souless new stadia that have been built??)

Yes but having been at Heysel and Hillsborough, its not all the fault of Liverpool fans. Heysel was an absoloute wreck of a stadium and the organisation was a complete shambles. Some Juventus fans spat at LFC fans through poor segregation, some of our fans reacted, the Italians fled and the wall collapsed. Hooliganism happened everywhere back then and yes we can feel guilt for that but if someone spits in your face, then you tend to react.

With regards to Hillsborough, then certain people have blood on their hands. Including the FA, Duckenfield and the Sheffield police. If you want to educate yourself on the subject, by a copy of the excellent and horrifying "Hillsborough: The Truth" or have a look at the website www.contrast.org/hillsborough

3. why do your fans STILL continue to arrive at grounds without tickets and then rush the gates in an attempt to gain entry???)

Some do I admit. That wasn't what caused Heysel or Hillsborough though. Any decent organisation and venue and our fans have never had problems.

4. will your club really ever get rid of the fact that it is impossible for black local players to go through the ranks at your club??)

What's skin colour got to do with it? If your good enough, you're good enough. No-one has broken through since Gerrard anyway. I remember Howard Gayle back in the day.

5. given the fact that you and the toffees are so interwound would it not make sense to ground share???)

No. We both need our own identity.

6. why do your fans still perpuate the anfield "atmosphere" when you infact use records to get you going (and rearely lasts beyond the record)???)

YNWA is a big part of our fan culture. Why have Arsenal started to use Elvis then? YNWA has been sang at Anfield for over 40 years.

The Anfield atmosphere is poor now genreally like everwhere else but alot of Liverpool fans, find Arsenal fans as hypocrites for coming to Anfield and having a pop at our atmosphere, when the Emirates is no better. We will get behind our own team on Sunday, without reorting to small time shite like "Shall we sing a song for you".

8. whats the beef with us celebrating 89 next year?

First i've heard of it. Unless someone got their wires crossed and thought you were celebrating Hillsborough, like the mancs are planning on doing.

10. what are your thoughts on the newbies that flock in every other week??

I think they should stay down south and support their local team, or some other Southern club. What's your thoughts on all your post Euro 96 brigade?

11. is it your or celtics song???

Ours.

12. i need a car stereo and some nice hub caps, can you sort me out????

Your so original.

must say that the totty up there is quality as long as they don't open there gobs (except at the obvious time)

True.

[SPUDMASHER]

Well done Carra. A decent response.

Nice to see someone from up your way can take banter in the way it is meant. Personally I will never accept that there is no fault at all attached to the fans at Hillsborough. I'm quite happy that they were not the main factor by any stretch of the imagination but they cannot blame everyone and accept none themselves. If one solitary supporter tried getting in that day without a ticket then they contributed to the incident.

For the record. The yellow shirt has "NOTHING" to do with Hillsborough at all. It is to commemerate the 20th anniversary of our turning you over and winning the league on your ground. Nothing more. Please pass that on to those that think otherwise.

[flash gunner]

I totally agree with Spuddy its a decent response from Carra but Liverpool fans are partly to blame for the Hillsborough incident even if they played a very small part of what eventually happened as for the Heysel tragedy by charging the Juve fans the liverpool fans were 100% guilty of the deaths that occured. I think more people would respect Liverpool fans if they held their hands up to some of it

[gus ceasar is a legend]

Love the way scousers think they are so above things!

Mancs celebrating Hillsborough- Like Liverpool have never chanted anything about Munich!

No black players come through- "What does skin colour matter?".......erm Toxteth, remember that?

People have got blood on their hands with Hillsborough- No mention of the Liverpool supporters then? Just a coincidence they was there!

Heysel- If you get spat on it is ok to riot and kill!


Fucking jokers the lot of them!

:awnker:

[carra]

Well done Carra. A decent response.

Nice to see someone from up your way can take banter in the way it is meant. Personally I will never accept that there is no fault at all attached to the fans at Hillsborough. I'm quite happy that they were not the main factor by any stretch of the imagination but they cannot blame everyone and accept none themselves. If one solitary supporter tried getting in that day without a ticket then they contributed to the incident.

For the record. The yellow shirt has "NOTHING" to do with Hillsborough at all. It is to commemerate the 20th anniversary of our turning you over and winning the league on your ground. Nothing more. Please pass that on to those that think otherwise.

That's fine mate but its the first i'd heard about it.

I just think its easy for fans of toher teams to say "you killed your own fans". Or "Your own fans played a big part in it" with regards to Hillsborough. I know where your coming from but its what happened after, which caused so much more hurt and it was the authorities (i.e. the yorkshire police and SWFC who passed the blame onto us (feeding the tabloids the next day "the truth"). Isn't that what we get accused of doing?

Seriously, i'd advise anyone to either read that website link from my other post (its a difficult read I admit), or buy the book "Hillsborough the truth", just go get a better understanding. The Taylor report, exonerated Liverpool fans of blame but we're still fighting for justice.

[gus ceasar is a legend]

Hi Radford. Good questions, i'll try and answer.

questions

1. why still the victim mentality?)

I don't agree with the word 'victim' but it goes back to the late 70s/80s, when the city of Liverpool was fucked over by the tory goverment and lost the majority of its industry.

2. do you feel any guilt about the fact that your actions have directly caused the advent of the souless new stadia that have been built??)

Yes but having been at Heysel and Hillsborough, its not all the fault of Liverpool fans. Heysel was an absoloute wreck of a stadium and the organisation was a complete shambles. Some Juventus fans spat at LFC fans through poor segregation, some of our fans reacted, the Italians fled and the wall collapsed. Hooliganism happened everywhere back then and yes we can feel guilt for that but if someone spits in your face, then you tend to react.





With regards to Hillsborough, then certain people have blood on their hands. Including the FA, Duckenfield and the Sheffield police. If you want to educate yourself on the subject, by a copy of the excellent and horrifying "Hillsborough: The Truth" or have a look at the website www.contrast.org/hillsborough

3. why do your fans STILL continue to arrive at grounds without tickets and then rush the gates in an attempt to gain entry???)

Some do I admit. That wasn't what caused Heysel or Hillsborough though. Any decent organisation and venue and our fans have never had problems.

4. will your club really ever get rid of the fact that it is impossible for black local players to go through the ranks at your club??)

What's skin colour got to do with it? If your good enough, you're good enough. No-one has broken through since Gerrard anyway. I remember Howard Gayle back in the day.

5. given the fact that you and the toffees are so interwound would it not make sense to ground share???)

No. We both need our own identity.

6. why do your fans still perpuate the anfield "atmosphere" when you infact use records to get you going (and rearely lasts beyond the record)???)

YNWA is a big part of our fan culture. Why have Arsenal started to use Elvis then? YNWA has been sang at Anfield for over 40 years.

The Anfield atmosphere is poor now genreally like everwhere else but alot of Liverpool fans, find Arsenal fans as hypocrites for coming to Anfield and having a pop at our atmosphere, when the Emirates is no better. We will get behind our own team on Sunday, without reorting to small time shite like "Shall we sing a song for you".

8. whats the beef with us celebrating 89 next year?

First i've heard of it. Unless someone got their wires crossed and thought you were celebrating Hillsborough, like the mancs are planning on doing.

10. what are your thoughts on the newbies that flock in every other week??

I think they should stay down south and support their local team, or some other Southern club. What's your thoughts on all your post Euro 96 brigade?

11. is it your or celtics song???

Ours.

12. i need a car stereo and some nice hub caps, can you sort me out????

Your so original.

must say that the totty up there is quality as long as they don't open there gobs (except at the obvious time)

True.

[flash gunner]

Well done Carra. A decent response.

Nice to see someone from up your way can take banter in the way it is meant. Personally I will never accept that there is no fault at all attached to the fans at Hillsborough. I'm quite happy that they were not the main factor by any stretch of the imagination but they cannot blame everyone and accept none themselves. If one solitary supporter tried getting in that day without a ticket then they contributed to the incident.

For the record. The yellow shirt has "NOTHING" to do with Hillsborough at all. It is to commemerate the 20th anniversary of our turning you over and winning the league on your ground. Nothing more. Please pass that on to those that think otherwise.

That's fine mate but its the first i'd heard about it.

I just think its easy for fans of toher teams to say "you killed your own fans". Or "Your own fans played a big part in it" with regards to Hillsborough. I know where your coming from but its what happened after, which caused so much more hurt and it was the authorities (i.e. the yorkshire police and SWFC who passed the blame onto us (feeding the tabloids the next day "the truth"). Isn't that what we get accused of doing?

Seriously, i'd advise anyone to either read that website link from my other post (its a difficult read I admit), or buy the book "Hillsborough the truth", just go get a better understanding. The Taylor report, exonerated Liverpool fans of blame but we're still fighting for justice.

Not exonerated for Heysel though hey? Still wasnt your fault though