As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
EC3 wrote:radford - Your talking complete rubbish.
Have a look at both Everton and Liverpool squards, how many black players do they have.
I've been to Liverpool plenty of times.
It's not a fact, just your opinion and it's wrong.
fella the question is how many home grown black players not how many black players. i am not wrong. look liverpool has for years had a huge black population you do the maths and name me the black players that have come through the ranks in the past 40 years? fuck me geezer its plainly obvious that there has been a systimatic policy to exclude black players, like it or nor not its a FACT.
lets not beat around the bush (excuse the phrase) but there is an issue up there that needs to be addressed. now you can condem me for rasing it but it is there never-the-less.
london, no problem, the midlands no problem, liverpool MASSIVE PROBLEM. FACT
EC3 wrote:Yeah and London has a huge Asian population............haven't seen many come through the ranks of London clubs.
All London clubs racist?
fronm an asian perpespective .........YES
hmm lets see you don't answer my points but raise anither one. having said that the issue of asain players IS a stain on our society as a whole london included.
Answer your question quite easily, no black players have broken through at both Everton or Liverpool and for that matter no other major clubs that i recall................draw your own conclusion, doesn't take a rocket scientist.
can't be bothered having this argument with you, purely because i have this picture in my mind as to what kind of person you are.
Comments like a stain on our society sum you up, you probably agree with some of these loony councils that have to fill jobs with an appropriate number of blacts, Asians, Eastern European imagrants etc.............rather than the best person.
And you will definately think my last statement makes me racist.
[quote="EC3"]Answer your question quite easily, no black players have broken through at both Everton or Liverpool and for that matter no other major clubs that i recall................draw your own conclusion, doesn't take a rocket scientist.
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can't be bothered having this argument with you, purely because i have this picture in my mind as to what kind of person you are.
and what would that be ....please do tell
Comments like a stain on our society sum you up, you probably agree with some of these loony councils that have to fill jobs with an appropriate number of blacts, Asians, Eastern European imagrants etc.............rather than the best person.
oh please grow up
And you will definately think my last statement makes me racist.[/
Radders, there's no need to call EC3 stupid. Just because he has a view which is different to yours.
I do agree with your argument, though. And you've backed it up with a convincing list of players.
So it would appear that there is a history of discrimination at Liverpool. Which is totally wrong.
EC3 makes a good point himself about discrimination. Many big employers give preferential treatment to minority ethnic groups. I think this is equally wrong.
The majority white population are being shat on. "Equal opportunity" employers do not do exactly what it says on the tin.
If ethnic minorities make up one in ten of the population, then would hope to see roughly that percentage employed in all fields.
You would expect around 90% of newsreaders to be white.
There is anti-white prejudice in this country. And it seems that it is encouraged by government and the PC crew.
Last edited by olgitgooner on Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I have never felt any anti white prejudice in an official form in the UK.
I have worked for over 40 different employers including a lot of temporary jobs (mad I know!) and nearly every company I have worked for, all in London, are mostly white staffed with just a few Black and Asian staff.
I have had some anti white prejudice from occasional individual Blacks and from one Black club in Brixton that really did not want to let me in (and one club out of almost 100 that I have been to over the years is a very small minority, and it was a rubbish club anyway that I would not go back to), but that is all in 37 years of living in London.
I know there is a lot more prejudice against Black people from whites than the other way round.
New York is a different matter, and there is an undelying tension there that does not exist here.
Carra:
I agree that Arsenal v Liverpool is the only fixture out of the ones between the top four where there is no large scale animosity between the fans.
I think the reason is that both clubs really dislike Man Utd, and because both clubs recognise each other is a genuine football club with a decent history.
There is though a growing resentment at your fans who try to rush in without tickets, and rob other fans of tickets outside the stadium.
[quote="olgitgooner"]Radders, there's no need to call EC3 stupid. Just because he has a view which is different to yours.
you are quite right and i do apologise EC3
I do agree with your argument, though. And you've backed it up with a convincing list of players.
So it would appear that there is a history of discrimination at Liverpool. Which is totally wrong.
EC3 makes a good point himself about discrimination. Many big employers give preferential treatment to minority ethnic groups. I think this is equally wrong.
very true but i am not talking about the general population but a specific point in a particular place
The majority white population are being shat on. "Equal opportunity" employers do not do exactly what it says on the tin.
If ethnic minorities make up one in ten of the population, then would hope to see roughly that percentage employed in all fields.
You would expect around 90% of newsreaders to be white.
There is anti-white prejudice in this country. And it seems that it is encouraged by government and the PC crew
Radford149 wrote:
i think its down to many things.
1. the new stadiums and lack of atmosphere IS down to your mob and we resent it
There's been a lack of atmosphere at grounds for over a decade, Highbury, Anfield and the Emirates included. Why start to bring it up now, in the last couple of years? Hillsborough happened in 1989. The Taylor report (which didn't pull the finger at LFC fans at all and said stadia needed to be brought in line, for supporter safety) was a year or two later. Its now 2008.
for me the fact that we left Highbury and went to the fabulous souless bowl has a lot to do with it
I'm sorry but you are really clutching at straws to blame us for that one. Its your clubs choice to move to 'a souless' bowl, full of corporates and JCL's and to charge through the nose to get in to watch it. Just like if and when we move. Blame Rupert Murdoch if anyone.
2. the liverpool myth that you do fuel such as the famous "atmosphere"
The European nights are usually spot on. Otherwise its shit nowadays, apart from the odd game when the crowd are up for it. Chelsea in 2005 was the lousest i'd ever known it. Any clued up Liverpool fan will admit that. The old Kop though, is a major part of our culture and history, so people do go on about it I suppose. The new Kop though is shit.
disagree with this, last season in the euro cup i thought your crowd was shocking and trust me the Grove IS THE PITS
I think that's Nonsense. It wasn't brilliant but if you thought our crowd was 'shocking' that night, then you have ridiculous expectations. There was a quiet 10 minutes or so in the first half but other than that, there was nothing wrong with the atmosphere. The problem with your fans, is you can't wait to pipe up with your "Shall we sing a song for you" style chants. I nearly fell off my chair when you gave it the "Where's your famous atmosphere" just cause it went quiet for a minute.
Stop concerning yourself with how loud our fans are or aren't and support your own players and team. That's what we'll be doing tomorrow. We couldn't care less how loud or quiet you are.
Radford - Are you totally daft (probably not) but you have taken what i said the totally wrong way.
I meant black players from Liverpool, amazed you couldn't see that.
Let me explain in very simple terms.
No black scoucers have come through the ranks at Liverpool or Everton, BUT have any black scoucers have come through at any other major clubs...........I could be wrong.
As i said draw your own conclusions, but if you think that is racist then you have a problem.
