Whilst the Liverpool fans are still here.....

Radford149 · Post by **Radford149** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:02 pm

Red107 wrote:
Radford149 wrote:standing will never be brought back the mere fact that the cost of removing seating will put clubs off and at Ashburton Grove for instance they would never allow it on the upper level. so for instance at least three to four blocks would need to cleared.
I've visted the Alianz arena in Munich and there is a standing section behind each goal on the lower tier. It reduces ticket prices and is very popular.

Although they are in system where by they have a ground share with Bayern and 1860. Each set of supporters has their own main core section of support. Bayern at one end, 1860 at another. For a Bayern game the seats there will be removed and vice versa.

It is a well organised system and we were told that they can reconfigure the terraces in a matter of hours.

And to answer digger the Allianz arena's lower tier is steeper than the Grove. The Grove's shallowness was probably designed with height restrictions in mind.

i still maintain that it will not happen due to costs. the german arragement IS PERFECT but that does'nt mean it will be adopted here.

god knows · Post by **god knows** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:37 am

Having lost my cousin at Hillsborough and seeing the devastion it caused my family, I would have to say no to standing areas in the premiership. Its just not worth the pain if it happened again.

Post by **g88ner** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:43 am

god knows wrote:Having lost my cousin at Hillsborough and seeing the devastion it caused my family, I would have to say no to standing areas in the premiership. Its just not worth the pain if it happened again.

Sorry for your loss, but why would it happen again?

The health & safety in this country, and the organisation at stadiums is light years ahead of the 80s, so it's unthinkable that a similar situation would arise.

and with no fencing to pen the fans in, crushing wouldn't occur.

I sympathise, of course, but lessons have been learnt and we SHOULDN'T PUNISH the next generation of fans for past mistakes.

mrgnu1958 · Post by **mrgnu1958** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:49 am

Standing makes me feat Ache

god knows · Post by **god knows** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:12 am

g88ner wrote:
god knows wrote:Having lost my cousin at Hillsborough and seeing the devastion it caused my family, I would have to say no to standing areas in the premiership. Its just not worth the pain if it happened again.
Sorry for your loss, but why would it happen again?

The health & safety in this country, and the organisation at stadiums is light years ahead of the 80s, so it's unthinkable that a similar situation would arise.

and with no fencing to pen the fans in, crushing wouldn't occur.

I sympathise, of course, but lessons have been learnt and we SHOULDN'T PUNISH the next generation of fans for past mistakes.

Thanks for that mate. But could we/should we take the chance? I agree that that scenario will never happen again on these shores, but I wolud rather sit than stand. Dont you think the Taylor report has made the game more family friendly and has induced more people with more money to go the game?

n7gooner · Post by **n7gooner** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:25 am

Dont you think the Taylor report has made the game more family friendly and has induced more people with more money to go the game?

I totally agree that nothing like hillsborough can ever happen again in this country, but at the Grove you have the family enclouser for families, and club level for people with money so if safe standing came about it would not stop these people from going to a match all it would do is allow more people with less money to attend games. This would create a better atmosphere and get a bigger gate per match which means more people will spend money in the stadium which will benefit the club greatly.

Post by **Chippy** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 3:23 am

n7gooner wrote:
Dont you think the Taylor report has made the game more family friendly and has induced more people with more money to go the game?

I totally agree that nothing like hillsborough can ever happen again in this country, but at the Grove you have the family enclouser for families, and club level for people with money so if safe standing came about it would not stop these people from going to a match all it would do is allow more people with less money to attend games. This would create a better atmosphere and get a bigger gate per match which means more people will spend money in the stadium which will benefit the club greatly.

Absolutely, this gives clubs another way to target audiences. It is most likely younger, strapped for cash people who will benefit from this whilst **** and families and corporates will be able to still sit. It's not an either or.

The Lib Dems (I am one, and yes I've heard all the jokes) have made it party policy

http://www.libdems.org.uk/home/liberal- ... 54816;show

Now I am not naive enouhg to say this will change anything but it is a start and people like you can make it clear to politicians at the next election it is an issue for you. Interestingly during the debate at conference the Hillsborough groups split with some very anti but others saying if the H&S stuff was handled properly then it should not be an issue.

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:54 am

I agree that a compromise is needed.

Standing sections at each end, and seating for families and corporates.

There is a hardcore at every club that want to stand amongst other like minded people and sing and chant. Standing is deffo more conducive to singing and chanting thus creating a better atmos.

Also agree that this will probably never happen.

digger · Post by **digger** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:07 am

god knows wrote:
g88ner wrote:
god knows wrote:Having lost my cousin at Hillsborough and seeing the devastion it caused my family, I would have to say no to standing areas in the premiership. Its just not worth the pain if it happened again.
Sorry for your loss, but why would it happen again?

The health & safety in this country, and the organisation at stadiums is light years ahead of the 80s, so it's unthinkable that a similar situation would arise.

and with no fencing to pen the fans in, crushing wouldn't occur.

I sympathise, of course, but lessons have been learnt and we SHOULDN'T PUNISH the next generation of fans for past mistakes.
Thanks for that mate. But could we/should we take the chance? I agree that that scenario will never happen again on these shores, but I wolud rather sit than stand. Dont you think the Taylor report has made the game more family friendly and has induced more people with more money to go the game?

Having 12' high fences topped with barbed wire and occasionally connected to the national grid (great idea Ken...) is the reason standing became unsafe - it was barbaric and there's nowhere to go in a tragedy. There's no way that would ever be brought back. Numbers would be controlled a lot tighter (ie, tickets bought in advance for section A, B, C etc, probably with a smart card only allowing you access to that area)

It makes be laugh that some clubs have been threatened with losing their safety cert (Arsenal, Man U, Sunderland?) because people stand in front of their seats - how is that remotely dangerous?