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Usual thread starter… life is rarely dull at arsenal these days, eh? In one sense, this changes nothing except David Dein’s bank balance. However, do you think there will now be a takeover bid from the east? Or are they just parking their money hoping to make a quick rouble once the shares go up again on the completion of the flats at the old stadium?
David Dein Statement to the Arsenal Supporters’ Trust (31/8)
THE AMAZING DEIN
Every time this DD fellow makes a move, his motives become even more questionable. If he thinks a takeover is so important, why did he not sell to Kroenke? Isn't he the one who brought him to Arsenal? Well, he might have just betrayed the guy. If not, he must explain himself, why these two characters suddenly? He says the club needs big investors. I'd like to know why. I can read financial statements and I have read Arsenal's. There is no such cash need. The club can buy GBP30m players today but choose not to. And if anyone thinks lack of success the last two years is due to lack of investment in players then direct that at Arsene, not the board. Bottom line, and if in doubt ask an advisor, ARSENAL IS THE MOST FINANCIALLY STABLE CLUB IN EUROPE TODAY!!!!! You're allowed to quote me. As for DD, I wish him nothing but the worst.
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thatgooner
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This is all BULLSHIT. Just when we were startin to get over the loss of Henry and all the talk about takeover bids from Satan this crap comes up.
I don't doubt for one second that DD is a true fan but his motives are questionable and I do not want us for one second to end up like chavski. I personally believe the current board that we do not need the money in foreign investors and do not want arsenal to become just another toy for all these rich bastards who have nothing else better to do with their money but destroy the traditions and history of football clubs.
How can DD firstly bring some american twat to the club and go on about how good it'l be for arsenal and then bring some russian twat..... come off it, what is this guy smoking?!?!
All along DD has wanted to be the main man at Arsenal and I'm starting to see it that he would do whatever it takes to accomplish this, fuck the arsenal fans and what they think or want.
So what happens to Satan then, are they going to come together and jointly try and take over Arsenal or has DD just stiched him up to.
Personally I don't want any of this russians dirty money anywhere Arsenal, him and DD can go and take it and smoke a big fat blunt with it.
I don't doubt for one second that DD is a true fan but his motives are questionable and I do not want us for one second to end up like chavski. I personally believe the current board that we do not need the money in foreign investors and do not want arsenal to become just another toy for all these rich bastards who have nothing else better to do with their money but destroy the traditions and history of football clubs.
How can DD firstly bring some american twat to the club and go on about how good it'l be for arsenal and then bring some russian twat..... come off it, what is this guy smoking?!?!
All along DD has wanted to be the main man at Arsenal and I'm starting to see it that he would do whatever it takes to accomplish this, fuck the arsenal fans and what they think or want.
So what happens to Satan then, are they going to come together and jointly try and take over Arsenal or has DD just stiched him up to.
Personally I don't want any of this russians dirty money anywhere Arsenal, him and DD can go and take it and smoke a big fat blunt with it.
I'm kind of torn. I like David Dein, I believe that he is one of the main reasons we are where we are today. I do believe he is very much an Arsenal supporter still and does want the club to do the best it can. BUT....I just can't see that it matters who buys the club (it's a matter of when, not if), it doesn't matter if we have 100m available for transfers - Wenger won't spend it!! Time and time again Wenger has said he doesn't like to buy established players, he likes to build them! Why would that change if he had 100m to spend? It wouldn't I'm sure!
I would be interested in why Dein has sold to the Russian and not Kroenke - did Stan not want them? Did he not offer as much?
Bottom line is, as fans we have little we can do about any takeover until it happens. Then, if you don't like it you can not buy tickets for matches but that's about it. With a 40,000 ST waiting list and 150,000 members I don't think it will take long to fill your place - regardless of who owns the club! Somewhat sad, but true.
TC
I would be interested in why Dein has sold to the Russian and not Kroenke - did Stan not want them? Did he not offer as much?
Bottom line is, as fans we have little we can do about any takeover until it happens. Then, if you don't like it you can not buy tickets for matches but that's about it. With a 40,000 ST waiting list and 150,000 members I don't think it will take long to fill your place - regardless of who owns the club! Somewhat sad, but true.
TC
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Rainham Red
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Blimey,you lot don`t give a bloke a chance.It was only announced yesterday and we don`t yet know all the facts.If David Dein was not involved I would be worried but like him or hate him he is a true Arsenal fan and will do his best for the club.Our current Board also have our club at heart they are worthy but conservative.It has been Dein who pushed us into the 21st Century and don`t forget he brought Arsene Wenger to the club and for that we should ever be grateful.I know Arsene likes to develope young players but sometime you have to splash out on a really expensive top player to propel us from a very good side to a great one.
PS I`m not David Dein`s brother-in-law
PS I`m not David Dein`s brother-in-law
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You tell 'em, Rainham Red ...Rainham Red wrote:Blimey,you lot don`t give a bloke a chance.It was only announced yesterday and we don`t yet know all the facts.If David Dein was not involved I would be worried but like him or hate him he is a true Arsenal fan and will do his best for the club.Our current Board also have our club at heart they are worthy but conservative.It has been Dein who pushed us into the 21st Century and don`t forget he brought Arsene Wenger to the club and for that we should ever be grateful.I know Arsene likes to develope young players but sometime you have to splash out on a really expensive top player to propel us from a very good side to a great one.
PS I`m not David Dein`s brother-in-law
Frankly all these winging and suspicion is weighing my soul down. A guy owns shares and decides who sells the shares to ... why does he need to personally explain why he chose this new buyer instead of an old propective buyer ?
For me, DD being involved wraps up my thinking .. he will not be throwing his weight behind people that are coming to rip the club off .. I am sure of that
As for AW not spending the money if its there, thats bollocks .. maybe this time, he prefers not to spend ... but generally, if the money where there of course he will buy in some quality to supplement the youngsters he is groooming .. tell me, do u mean AW would say no to a Ronaldino, a Queresma, a Kaka ? I think not ... and thats exactly the level we need to be shopping at if we want to be one of the biggest in europe/world ... of course not on a ridiculous level as Chv$ki did a couple of years ago, or manure/livershit this year -- thats not AW's style ... but at least he will have the funds to buy in some quality whenever he needs to ...
Come off this suspicion and negativity .. at least until we _do_ have the reason to feel that way ...
Ok, this is fronted by a guy who tried to backstab the board and move us to Wembley, one of the backers we know nothing about, the other is a rich Russian who is known to be ruthless and with the standard suspicion, do you understand the concerns?
On a seperate note, Arsene says he has money, has spent to most this summer then in the last 4 years according to the times (though where they get a £25 million transfer budget, I don't know) and he doesn't want the guy in.
http://timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/foot ... 364467.ece
On a seperate note, Arsene says he has money, has spent to most this summer then in the last 4 years according to the times (though where they get a £25 million transfer budget, I don't know) and he doesn't want the guy in.
http://timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/foot ... 364467.ece
sorry, don't agree, it doesn't matter how much money Wenger has, I don't believe he'd go out and spend 50m on two or three players, he won't buy 'stars' because he doesn't want to upset the dressing room or hold up the youngsters we have.
Arsenal have been possibly three players away from being an awesome team for the last few years and yet it never happens.
Arsenal have been possibly three players away from being an awesome team for the last few years and yet it never happens.
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Rainham Red
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Red & White Hlgs
Show me a self made millionaire and I`ll show you a ruthless,tough,hardbitten man who sometimes is close to crossing the line.These millionaires and billionaires don`t get where they are without being nasty pieces of work.Some don`t mind showing it (Alan Sugar) others like the Liverpool pair of Yanks don`t but they are all the same.Although that is not always a bad thing.What we Arsenal fans need to ask ourselves do we want a team who everyone admires for their football but don`t win the big trophies (Premiership/Champions League) or a team who can compete with the really big boys of European football.
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into the red
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If you really think it doesn't matter who takes over as long as they have money, then I strongly recommend you read this:
http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2 ... manov.html
Dein is absolutely shameless and ruthless in pursuit of his goal of being chairman at Arsenal. He has flogged his shares around - Kroenke wouldn't take them as it involved Dein being part of the package, Ecclestone was flirted with. Now he has found someone so odious, a gangster racketeer, who of course will happily dump Dein once he has performed his function as frontman for his bid for power. I can't believe even an idiot and backstabber like Dein has thrown in his lot with some of the most unpleasant, dubious fraudsters this side of Al Capone. And they want to take over the club!
http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2 ... manov.html
Dein is absolutely shameless and ruthless in pursuit of his goal of being chairman at Arsenal. He has flogged his shares around - Kroenke wouldn't take them as it involved Dein being part of the package, Ecclestone was flirted with. Now he has found someone so odious, a gangster racketeer, who of course will happily dump Dein once he has performed his function as frontman for his bid for power. I can't believe even an idiot and backstabber like Dein has thrown in his lot with some of the most unpleasant, dubious fraudsters this side of Al Capone. And they want to take over the club!
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into the red
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If you really think it doesn't matter who takes over as long as they have money, then I strongly recommend you read this:
http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2 ... manov.html
Dein is absolutely shameless and ruthless in pursuit of his goal of being chairman at Arsenal. He has flogged his shares around - Kroenke wouldn't take them as it involved Dein being part of the package, Ecclestone was flirted with. Now he has found someone so odious, a gangster racketeer, who of course will happily dump Dein once he has performed his function as frontman for his bid for power. Selling them all his shares gives him no leverage over events once they get involved. Seems he wanted the money for his shares and the influence. I can't believe even an idiot and backstabber like Dein has thrown in his lot with some of the most unpleasant, dubious fraudsters this side of Al Capone. But he'll live to regret it. Remember he would be sitting on the board today quite happily, had he not gone behind their backs to try and stitch up a deal with Stan, and even Stan won't touch him now.
And for Dein to pathetically try and claim that he influenced Arsene to sign a new contract is beneath contempt. I don't think Arsene will be impressed in the way Dein is now trying to claim credit for a decision which was Arsene's to make, based on what the current board offered him. The timing of the whole thing is designed to come before Arsene has signed and before the financial results are out, as doing so after these two events will make Dein and his little Sopranos mob seem even more irrelevant. What a cheap little huckster.
http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2 ... manov.html
Dein is absolutely shameless and ruthless in pursuit of his goal of being chairman at Arsenal. He has flogged his shares around - Kroenke wouldn't take them as it involved Dein being part of the package, Ecclestone was flirted with. Now he has found someone so odious, a gangster racketeer, who of course will happily dump Dein once he has performed his function as frontman for his bid for power. Selling them all his shares gives him no leverage over events once they get involved. Seems he wanted the money for his shares and the influence. I can't believe even an idiot and backstabber like Dein has thrown in his lot with some of the most unpleasant, dubious fraudsters this side of Al Capone. But he'll live to regret it. Remember he would be sitting on the board today quite happily, had he not gone behind their backs to try and stitch up a deal with Stan, and even Stan won't touch him now.
And for Dein to pathetically try and claim that he influenced Arsene to sign a new contract is beneath contempt. I don't think Arsene will be impressed in the way Dein is now trying to claim credit for a decision which was Arsene's to make, based on what the current board offered him. The timing of the whole thing is designed to come before Arsene has signed and before the financial results are out, as doing so after these two events will make Dein and his little Sopranos mob seem even more irrelevant. What a cheap little huckster.
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And for Dein to pathetically try and claim that he influenced Arsene to sign a new contract is beneath contempt. I don't think Arsene will be impressed in the way Dein is now trying to claim credit for a decision which was Arsene's to make, based on what the current board offered him. The timing of the whole thing is designed to come before Arsene has signed and before the financial results are out, as doing so after these two events will make Dein and his little Sopranos mob seem even more irrelevant. What a cheap little huckster, trying to hijack his 'friend's contract decision for his own self-publicising ends. But having sold all his share to the mob, he will quickly find he is very disposable, once his job as frontman for the takeover is finished. Remember he would be sitting on the board today quite happily, had he not gone behind their backs to try and stitch up a deal with Stan, and even Stan won't touch him now.
