5+6 Rule

[Boomer]

Can't work until this draw is done.

So next year introduces the 5+6 rule to which my understanding is that you must have at least 5 English players.
I first thought we'd be okay with the likes of Wilshere, Randell, Gibbs, Walcott & Simpson plus bearing in mind we have 7 subs.

However, the last three games only had Gibbs and Walcott playing.

Also against Burnley Ramsey was included but I'm sure this rule only applies to English not UK players so he doesn't count. (?)

I think Arsene may have to go out this summer and buy English! Maybe Upson and a centre Midfield!?

[g88ner]

Erm.. not sure it comes in next year, Boomer.

I thought it was 2010-11, and that'll be as a 4+7 (4 English), then 5+6 for 2011-2012, and 6+5 for 2012-2013.

Could be wrong.

Even then, has it DEFINATELY got the go ahead, yet??... I thought it was only recently decided that it wouldn't contravene EU laws, so I don't think the law is 100% yet.

[Boomer]

Erm.. not sure it comes in next year, Boomer.

I thought it was 2010-11, and that'll be as a 4+7 (4 English), then 5+6 for 2011-2012, and 6+5 for 2012-2013.

Could be wrong.

Even then, has it DEFINATELY got the go ahead, yet??... I thought it was only recently decided that it wouldn't contravene EU laws, so I don't think the law is 100% yet.

Ah well if your right there's time for these players (and some) to develop.

[REB]

European union will have there say before anything becomes uefa law so wouldn't be 2 worried for a couple of seasons and hopefully by then with the players we have coming through we will have a mostly home grown side anyway

[g88ner]

Ah well if your right there's time for these players (and some) to develop.

Yeah, Wilshere, Gibbs and Theo are the obvious ones.

I'm hoping that it'll be BRITISH and not just English players we have to field, so Ramsey will hopefully be eligible... I'd be suprised if he's not!

After that, who know's.

Might have to buy English at some point!

Bentley, anyone?

[Radford149]

Radford would like to say that under european freedom of movement law the 6+5 bollocks WILL NEVER happen. he would also like to point out that it is in fact blatant discrimination and no doubt some african, south american or other non euro citizen would take the eu to some court and would win.

it's a no brainer in Radford's eyes

[Fabby is a Foot (Leg-end)]

Is there not something about how long they have been at the club? I thought that players who came through the sytem or joined before 18 were also counted i.e. Cesc and Vela would also count or I might just be weird.

[benglenton]

gareth barry awaiting

[JMascis666]

Well once our team is made up almost exclusively by British players, the media will have to find something else to beat us with.

[REB]

Is there not something about how long they have been at the club? I thought that players who came through the sytem or joined before 18 were also counted i.e. Cesc and Vela would also count or I might just be weird.

no

the new rules that uefa want to bring in is you must be able to represent the country of that leagues fa,
so doesnt matter if you come up the youth system and been british wont help either, must be eligible to play for england

[Fabby is a Foot (Leg-end)]

Is there not something about how long they have been at the club? I thought that players who came through the sytem or joined before 18 were also counted i.e. Cesc and Vela would also count or I might just be weird.

no

the new rules that uefa want to bring in is you must be able to represent the country of that leagues fa,
so doesnt matter if you come up the youth system and been british wont help either, must be eligible to play for england

Sorry you are right - it is the sqaud list that are locally trained or Academy conditions! I can't see us being the only team that would struggle.

[youngw]

The rule is not as straight-forward as just 4/5/6 or however many "English" players.

Players like Clichy qualify as being home grown for instance

[Fabby is a Foot (Leg-end)]

I can't find anything on the internet but I thought the EU had blocked this plan as a restriction of trade.

[SPUDMASHER]

they cannot do this with players from within the European union. No ifs, no buts, nothing. They simply cannot do it, period.

It contravenes European legislation and you cannot make a different rule for one occupation. If they did this then you could effectively say that every car wash must have a maximum of 2 polish workers and the rest of them English. Utter bollocks isn't it.

[Chippy]

I'm afraid there is some confusion here. They are not basing the rule on nationality but on what the club or local association has put into the development of the players.

From the UEFA website

UEFA defines locally-trained or ‘homegrown' players as those who, regardless of their nationality, have been trained by their club or by another club in the same national association for at least three years between the age of 15 and 21. The UEFA rule contains no nationality conditions whatsoever because within the EU such conditions are illegal (following the Bosman ruling).

UEFA has gradually introduced the rule in three phases:
Season 2006-07: minimum of 4 homegrown players in a squad limited to 25;
Season 2007-08: minimum of 6 homegrown players in a squad limited to 25;
Season 2008-09: minimum of 8 homegrown players in a squad limited to 25.

This of course means that players like Cesc and Gael count as home grown.

1. Why is UEFA making these proposals?
Over the last few years, UEFA has identified a number of problems that threaten to damage long term interests of our sport. In an increasingly globalised market-place, it is tempting to look for easy solutions, taking players from elsewhere rather than training them. Our proposals are an attempt to encourage local training of players, maintain competitive balance and ensure a better future for new talent.
2. Is this UEFA’s “revengeâ€