Arsenal v Chelsea FA Cup Minutes Applause

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Lethal
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Post by Lethal »

fuck off you bunch of moaning slags

every fucking year its something else

i remember what boris johnson said,dunno if its been posted already but
the city wallowed in its "victim status".
and this bodge twat aint even a scouser :lol:

moaning wankers,the lot of em

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Cus Geezer wrote:
it was an avoidable incident that was caused largely, in my opinion at least, by those scousers that came down late and caused the crush forcing the gates to be opened and of course the sad thing is that it was the fans that turned up in time and were at the front were the ones who dies
It was an avoidable incident because they should never have had fences at football matches in the first place.

It was avoidable because they should have delayed the kick off due to traffic problems and problems with fans entering the ground, as they do post-Hillsborough.

It was avoidable because Liverpool should have had the bigger end, because they are the bigger supported club.

And as for the police, they are as cuntish on match days today as they were then.


It is easier in hindsight to say that there should have been no fences at football stadiums but that is forgetting the type of shit that the hooligans carried on with back then which necessitated the fences. The fan bases were nowhere near as sanatised back then as they are now and fcuks know what potential for violence there would have been inside the grounds if rival fans could have had access to each other.

I agree with you that the scousers should have had the larger end but do you honestly believe that traffic problems were the only cause of the late arrival of fans ?? :shock: Nothing to do with many thousands of them turned up slightly pissed after downing a few at the boozer perhaps ? Having a few drinks at the boozer pre game is all part of the ritual of most fans on match days but if you take the piss by staying later in the boozer than you should you cannot expect to just turn up and stroll in at kick off time :roll: Clearly many many scousers did and they played a huge part in the crush which resulted in the gates being opened which of course only moved the crush from outside the ground to inside the ground and resulted in many innocent fans losing their lives :(

All I am saying is that there were many many mistakes made that day which caused those deaths but some of those mistakes were caused by scousers too. That they have failed to accept any responsibility is bad enough but when there fans attempt the same thing in athens a few years ago is disgraceful and show a total disregard for their own scouse buddies that they were probably mourn for if the same thing had of happened again only this time it would have been uefa's fault :x

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I think Liverpool fans should remember that it is Liverpool FCs loss & they should pay their own tributes. As football fans, of course we dont like to see innocent people killed at a football match & Hillsbrough will never be forgotten & lessons have been learned.

However the level of mourning is not shared outside of the Shankly Gates & Liverpool would do well to remember that they were not & are still not completely innocent of certain events that have happened at football matches.

Pay you respects to your lost ones as you see fit. Leave it up to the rest of the football community to pay their respects as they wish to.

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Wayno wrote:
Gunnersaurus wrote:
Wayno wrote:We will applaud and remember those tragically and uneccesarily murdered by their own :cry:
haha fuckin harsh.
Not as harsh as being crushed to death by fellow fans who couldn't be arsed to buy tickets :roll:
Don't be too hasty to have a go at Wayno. He's most likely right. :roll:

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One thing I always think about linked with Hillsborough is, "There but for the grace of G-D".

So how many of YOU went to Spurs vs Arsenal semi final of League Cup in 1987? Not the replay, but the second leg game on the Sunday?

I was in the away end that day with loads of other Arsenal fans.

We got there early, about 50 minutes before the game, and we had tickets.

We were put into the caged pens behind the goal, and instead of letting us go where we wanted, the police and stewards held us in one of the poens until it was more than full.

Their idea was to keep it that way and then only when absolutely full to bursting let us across the terrace into the next pen.

It was no joke. I was so crushed that my feet were off the ground and my ribs started hurting.

All the fans were shouting at the police and stewards to ope the gate to the next pen, but they took no notice. In fact, that is not true.

They took notice, and just laughed at us.

Eventually they opened the gate, but it was close.

I reckon we were only minutes from a Hillsborough style incident that day, perhaps less.

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Nice_Guy wrote:I think Liverpool fans should remember that it is Liverpool FCs loss & they should pay their own tributes. As football fans, of course we dont like to see innocent people killed at a football match & Hillsbrough will never be forgotten & lessons have been learned.

However the level of mourning is not shared outside of the Shankly Gates & Liverpool would do well to remember that they were not & are still not completely innocent of certain events that have happened at football matches.

Pay you respects to your lost ones as you see fit. Leave it up to the rest of the football community to pay their respects as they wish to.

I agree. Liverpool have not asked for tributes to be made at the semi match, it was the FA though.


Wayno, Gus etc I don't understand why you seem to think that these minority of Liverpool scummy fans represents the majority of LFC fans. I could easily tar your fans with the same brush after seeing a couple of scummy Arsenal fans, but I wont. Oh and the minutes silence was for the clubs secretary who suddenly died, but ignorance is bliss my friend. I aint answering any of your questions from now on because obviously all you want is another lively debate.

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BOJDE LFC wrote:
Nice_Guy wrote:I think Liverpool fans should remember that it is Liverpool FCs loss & they should pay their own tributes. As football fans, of course we dont like to see innocent people killed at a football match & Hillsbrough will never be forgotten & lessons have been learned.

However the level of mourning is not shared outside of the Shankly Gates & Liverpool would do well to remember that they were not & are still not completely innocent of certain events that have happened at football matches.

Pay you respects to your lost ones as you see fit. Leave it up to the rest of the football community to pay their respects as they wish to.

I agree. Liverpool have not asked for tributes to be made at the semi match, it was the FA though.


Wayno, Gus etc I don't understand why you seem to think that these minority of Liverpool scummy fans represents the majority of LFC fans. I could easily tar your fans with the same brush after seeing a couple of scummy Arsenal fans, but I wont. Oh and the minutes silence was for the clubs secretary who suddenly died, but ignorance is bliss my friend. I aint answering any of your questions from now on because obviously all you want is another lively debate.
Did your lot hold a minutes applause for the Munich air disaster ?

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enjibenji wrote:
BOJDE LFC wrote:
Nice_Guy wrote:I think Liverpool fans should remember that it is Liverpool FCs loss & they should pay their own tributes. As football fans, of course we dont like to see innocent people killed at a football match & Hillsbrough will never be forgotten & lessons have been learned.

However the level of mourning is not shared outside of the Shankly Gates & Liverpool would do well to remember that they were not & are still not completely innocent of certain events that have happened at football matches.

Pay you respects to your lost ones as you see fit. Leave it up to the rest of the football community to pay their respects as they wish to.

I agree. Liverpool have not asked for tributes to be made at the semi match, it was the FA though.


Wayno, Gus etc I don't understand why you seem to think that these minority of Liverpool scummy fans represents the majority of LFC fans. I could easily tar your fans with the same brush after seeing a couple of scummy Arsenal fans, but I wont. Oh and the minutes silence was for the clubs secretary who suddenly died, but ignorance is bliss my friend. I aint answering any of your questions from now on because obviously all you want is another lively debate.
Did your lot hold a minutes applause for the anniversary of the Munich air disaster ?

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Post by BOJDE LFC »

Why does that even matter? We had a minutes silence at Anfield I think as did every other club that day.

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Post by ds »

Self-pitying, self absorbed mugs.

While I feel saddened by any loss of life we all know it was the bin dippers arriving late/without tickets that helped cause this disaster.

You need to face reality and look to your own fans before you suggest Arsenal fans would behave badly if this travesty goes ahead.

Take your commments to a liverpool forum. 'Minutes silence for the juve fan' could perhaps be the threads title or failing that 'why we feel no pity for munich'.

RIP to all involved in any disaster

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Post by northbankbren »

Bojde

First Off:
BOJDE LFC wrote:Why does that even matter? We had a minutes silence at Anfield I think as did every other club that day.
this is a hypocritical comment. What if i said the same about hillsborough minute applause: Why does that even matter? We had a minutes silence at Highbury I think as did every other club that day....

This kind of ruins your argument dosent it :roll:

BUT

Yes the minute will be respected and should be.

But do we need to be told to do so?

You are taking the high ground deliberatly to antagonise. (You’ve been here before, and you were clearly hoping for the reaction you got).

I really could go on a rant at you, but wont rise to the bait.

The minute will be respected, AND,

26th May CELEBRATED :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf:





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Post by Magic Hat »

QuartzGooner wrote:This thread has gone weird for no reason whatsoever.

I won't be at Wembley, but if you are there, then do the minute's applause.

No need to have a go at Bodje, no need to demean yourself by saying how much you don't care about Hillsborough etc.

Bodje is just asking for a sensible response.
I think some take exception to the high handed way it was put. I'm not sure we needed to get into another round of whose fault it was or wasn't but I was annoyed by seeing Liverpool fans rush the gates at a recent final then complain about Uefa being rather annoyed. Both sides needed to take blame there, both sides shifted it and you wonder how much has really been learnt

I'll do a minute's silence for the dead on both sides.

Disappointed with those questioning/mocking the recent minute applause when Liverpool had a legitimate reason.

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Wayno wrote:We will applaud and remember those tragically and uneccesarily murdered by their own :cry:
Harsh but true well put Wayno

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Wow. Was it anti-Bodje day or something?! :shock: :?

I've always found him to be respectful on here and to join in the banter too. Maybe he phrased it wrong to start with but I really don't think he was suggesting the majority of Gooners would be disrespectful. Still, some of the replies were way over the top.

I have no problem with the FA or the Mousers or whoever remembering an anniversary of a tragedy. I know the vast majority of Gooners will respect the minutes tribute. 8)

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For the people of liverpool to receive the respect they crave for Hillsboro they must first accept their part in the affair, basically "they and no one else caused it" just like they caused Heysel. As for respect, their own show of respect to fans of Juventus when they last met was to offer them a scarf and a goody bag, and in their eyes that made everything ok, but then they don't consider themselves responsible for that either, that was the fault of belgian bricklayers the belgian police and uefa for holding the final in a stadium which could not withstand a mob of drunken scouse bastards. So sorry no respect will be on show in my household, "what goes around comes" around as they say.

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