Was Van Persie undroppable yesterday??
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Its Up 4 Grabs Now
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Was thinking almost the exact same thing g88ner. I’m not sure it was 100% down to the contract situation cos he might have done it anyway but I definitely think it was a case of Wenger bottling out of dropping 1 of Adebayor or Van Persie after Wednesday night.
I can see the logic in wanting an extra man in midfield given Chelsea’s CM trio but as soon as you go to that extent to adapt to you’re opponents game you’re basically conceding before a ball’s been kicked that the match is gonna be played on their terms. And shock f*cking horror… it was & they were better at it!
And if you are gonna go changing formation you pick the best players for that set-up, trying to accommodate players is weak management & the definition of a half-measure. For all that these players often talk like they’re in awe of Wenger it’s amazing how many times that level of respect he holds still somehow prevents him from making a decisive decision for fear of upsetting them!
People often criticise his decision to take off Bobby in Paris but right or wrong it’s that lack of sentimentality & ruthlessness for the sake of the team that he seems to be lacking these days.
I can see the logic in wanting an extra man in midfield given Chelsea’s CM trio but as soon as you go to that extent to adapt to you’re opponents game you’re basically conceding before a ball’s been kicked that the match is gonna be played on their terms. And shock f*cking horror… it was & they were better at it!
And if you are gonna go changing formation you pick the best players for that set-up, trying to accommodate players is weak management & the definition of a half-measure. For all that these players often talk like they’re in awe of Wenger it’s amazing how many times that level of respect he holds still somehow prevents him from making a decisive decision for fear of upsetting them!
People often criticise his decision to take off Bobby in Paris but right or wrong it’s that lack of sentimentality & ruthlessness for the sake of the team that he seems to be lacking these days.
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GunnerDude
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Off all the crosses Theo put in Van Persie was only on the other side once to try and get to it, but funny how when AA came on the first cross that went all the way to the left was met by him.
We defeated ourselves yesterday thanks to Arsene and the board not recruiting and thus having poor 3rd and 4th choice players to chose from.
Your team selection is only as strong as the team avaiable to select from
AA may have made a difference going forward but there is still Eboue, Diaby, Denilson, Silvestre and Fabianski waiting to fuck it up.
We defeated ourselves yesterday thanks to Arsene and the board not recruiting and thus having poor 3rd and 4th choice players to chose from.
Your team selection is only as strong as the team avaiable to select from
AA may have made a difference going forward but there is still Eboue, Diaby, Denilson, Silvestre and Fabianski waiting to fuck it up.
so its just not me that thinks rvp isnt as good as he thinks he is, for me he doesnt do enough, doesnt score goals , hardly creates, has no pace or dribbling skills , doesnt play well with adebayor or anyone else up front it seems and i can never figure out why he is so loved by some 
wenger made a balls of the line up by playing rvp in a 5 man midfield when nasri or arsehavin were better options , lets hope he will have learned from this before the manc games
wenger made a balls of the line up by playing rvp in a 5 man midfield when nasri or arsehavin were better options , lets hope he will have learned from this before the manc games
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Has the most assist in the prem could be more if Ade and Co. could finish, several of his goals proves he can dribble, yes he has no pace but in the end he was played out of position hence why he couldn't do enough.REBEL GOONER wrote:so its just not me that thinks rvp isnt as good as he thinks he is, for me he doesnt do enough, doesnt score goals , hardly creates, has no pace or dribbling skills , doesnt play well with adebayor or anyone else up front it seems and i can never figure out why he is so loved by some
wenger made a balls of the line up by playing rvp in a 5 man midfield when nasri or arsehavin were better options , lets hope he will have learned from this before the manc games
100% agree with you. However, you should never criticize RVP here. People here think that HE IS GODREBEL GOONER wrote:so its just not me that thinks rvp isnt as good as he thinks he is, for me he doesnt do enough, doesnt score goals , hardly creates, has no pace or dribbling skills , doesnt play well with adebayor or anyone else up front it seems and i can never figure out why he is so loved by some
wenger made a balls of the line up by playing rvp in a 5 man midfield when nasri or arsehavin were better options , lets hope he will have learned from this before the manc games
For me, he is over-rated! He showed good stuff every now and then, but that's. Look, his free-kick yesterday was horrible. No one can't defend him to deliver shit ball in the free-kick yesterday, I guess
Did he ever score a goal from the free-kick this season?
You must have missed the 2 or 3 goals he has scored with his right foot this season.harryo45 wrote:ive never seen wat people see in van 1 foot van percy. every thing he does is for his own benifit. the most 1 footed predictable football player i have ever watched. wish i was markin him every week. hes slows the team down takin every pass on to his left peg . he wont pass if there is a chance of glory for himself. wens the last time he scored from a free kick yet he takes them match after match. arshavin should have been playing were he was yesterday and showed wat a real player is. get 15- 20 million for this fraud and run wenger
I would have preferred to see AA start yesterdays game and have RvP on the bench.
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RVP’s overrated by some, underrated by others. As usual the truth lies somewhere in between but either way I don’t hold him at fault for yesterday though. He’s never been any good out on the left, as good as he is for Holland on the right I’m not sure he’d have been that good for us there either. That he was being played out of position is ALL on Wenger’s head.
That being the case I’m not sure why this has to turn into an opportunity to knock RVP or label him shit etc. As a striker he’s still quality albeit not world-class & still too inconsistent. And could anyone forge a partnership with this season’s Adebayor? I’m sure even he doesn’t know what he’s gonna do next half the time, never mind his team-mates!
But having nothing down that left side meant it was always easy for Chelsea to double up on Walcott on the right. Theo looked like he had the beating of The C*nt yesterday, imagine how much damage he’d have done if he’d been able to isolate him one-on-one.
That being the case I’m not sure why this has to turn into an opportunity to knock RVP or label him shit etc. As a striker he’s still quality albeit not world-class & still too inconsistent. And could anyone forge a partnership with this season’s Adebayor? I’m sure even he doesn’t know what he’s gonna do next half the time, never mind his team-mates!
But having nothing down that left side meant it was always easy for Chelsea to double up on Walcott on the right. Theo looked like he had the beating of The C*nt yesterday, imagine how much damage he’d have done if he’d been able to isolate him one-on-one.
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Your arguement sounds good g88ner. However...why not just play the exact same formation we played against Villarreal earlier in the week?
----------------Adebayor--------------
---------------Van Persie--------------
Arshavin------Fabregas------Walcott
-----------------Song------------------
Gibbs----Silvestre---Toure----Eboue
This line-up would be the same as Villarreal except Arshavin in for Nasri. It's essentially still a 4-5-1 and also suits Van Persie's play style.
Fact is, Wenger fucked up the formation and personel. Yes the players werent very good and we had a make-shift back 4. BUT I still believe if we had come out in this formation with the intent to attack Chelsea and not play their game then we would have won.
----------------Adebayor--------------
---------------Van Persie--------------
Arshavin------Fabregas------Walcott
-----------------Song------------------
Gibbs----Silvestre---Toure----Eboue
This line-up would be the same as Villarreal except Arshavin in for Nasri. It's essentially still a 4-5-1 and also suits Van Persie's play style.
Fact is, Wenger fucked up the formation and personel. Yes the players werent very good and we had a make-shift back 4. BUT I still believe if we had come out in this formation with the intent to attack Chelsea and not play their game then we would have won.
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Part of the problem with RvP is that he is always one of the first to go on about how ambitious he is, and that he's only won one FA Cup since he joined etc. Well how about rising to the occasion then pal....fucking anonymous yesterday (apart from the trademark shoulder shrugging at the ref when he didn't get awarded a free kick).
Personally I think the guy is class and one of our best assets, but he also needs to shoulder part of the blame for yesterday. If he drags out the contract talks and keeps harping on about his ambition, AW should make him watch the video of yesterday's performance.
Personally I think the guy is class and one of our best assets, but he also needs to shoulder part of the blame for yesterday. If he drags out the contract talks and keeps harping on about his ambition, AW should make him watch the video of yesterday's performance.
I agree with the conspiracy theory about playing vp as opposed to the cock up theory!
I thought he'd go with diaby with two central midfielders
Diaby didn't perform
walcott was a star on the right ,but vp doesn't work on the left
should have been andrei or nasri
no room for vp with a three man central midfield
wenger rotated cos of so called tiredness,chels players out on wed morn til 5am ,but played the same midfield!
I want wenger to prove the doubters wrong,but we ain't won a big game against the big sides (exc facup pens 2005)for years since we beat chels in lge and fa in 04
we stll have the champs lge to get it right
nasri den fab diaby walcott beaten mancs aleady this season
switch den for the un song hero and ade up front
if they don't perform blame the players not the manager system
I thought he'd go with diaby with two central midfielders
Diaby didn't perform
walcott was a star on the right ,but vp doesn't work on the left
should have been andrei or nasri
no room for vp with a three man central midfield
wenger rotated cos of so called tiredness,chels players out on wed morn til 5am ,but played the same midfield!
I want wenger to prove the doubters wrong,but we ain't won a big game against the big sides (exc facup pens 2005)for years since we beat chels in lge and fa in 04
we stll have the champs lge to get it right
nasri den fab diaby walcott beaten mancs aleady this season
switch den for the un song hero and ade up front
if they don't perform blame the players not the manager system
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RVP is no dribbler, he is to left sided to do that and there not much speed to him.GunnerDude wrote:Has the most assist in the prem could be more if Ade and Co. could finish, several of his goals proves he can dribble, yes he has no pace but in the end he was played out of position hence why he couldn't do enough.REBEL GOONER wrote:so its just not me that thinks rvp isnt as good as he thinks he is, for me he doesnt do enough, doesnt score goals , hardly creates, has no pace or dribbling skills , doesnt play well with adebayor or anyone else up front it seems and i can never figure out why he is so loved by some
wenger made a balls of the line up by playing rvp in a 5 man midfield when nasri or arsehavin were better options , lets hope he will have learned from this before the manc games
here's a theory could Wenger still be holding hope in getting back into the title race, resting our inform players for the Liverpool game hoping that others will mess up.
