Was Van Persie undroppable yesterday??

[MickeyFabs]

Can't believe people are slating RVP! FFS Wenger should have played RVP and Arshavin, not one or the other.

He fucking put Chelski to the sword earlier in the season, but lately on this forum memories are all too short.

He was played out of position. We are the Arsenal, we are supposed to be taking the game to these *word censored* by attacking on both flanks (Walcott, Arshavin, or Nasri), with RVP behind Adebayor, but Wenger got cautious because of our problems in defence.

Its funny how the defence didn't look too bad before he tinkered with the line up, and put out a less attacking team.

[GunnerDude]

so its just not me that thinks rvp isnt as good as he thinks he is, for me he doesnt do enough, doesnt score goals , hardly creates, has no pace or dribbling skills , doesnt play well with adebayor or anyone else up front it seems and i can never figure out why he is so loved by some
wenger made a balls of the line up by playing rvp in a 5 man midfield when nasri or arsehavin were better options , lets hope he will have learned from this before the manc games

Has the most assist in the prem could be more if Ade and Co. could finish, several of his goals proves he can dribble, yes he has no pace but in the end he was played out of position hence why he couldn't do enough.

RVP is no dribbler, he is to left sided to do that and there not much speed to him.

here's a theory could Wenger still be holding hope in getting back into the title race, resting our inform players for the Liverpool game hoping that others will mess up.

And your definition of dribbling is what? leg-overs only?
because am sure body-faints, fake-shots, flip-flap, nutmegs are also dribbles and have been done by Robin or do I have to post links to his goals against Blackburn, Villa, Inter e.t.c

Not all dribblers are as fast a Ronaldo or Messi

[hadareud]

2 fukin goals with his right foot in 6 years . brilliant

actually, it's at least 6 or 7 this season alone.

Maybe you should check what you're saying first before your argument falls flat on its arse.

[IW8Goalmachine]

so its just not me that thinks rvp isnt as good as he thinks he is, for me he doesnt do enough, doesnt score goals , hardly creates, has no pace or dribbling skills , doesnt play well with adebayor or anyone else up front it seems and i can never figure out why he is so loved by some
wenger made a balls of the line up by playing rvp in a 5 man midfield when nasri or arsehavin were better options , lets hope he will have learned from this before the manc games

Has the most assist in the prem could be more if Ade and Co. could finish, several of his goals proves he can dribble, yes he has no pace but in the end he was played out of position hence why he couldn't do enough.

RVP is no dribbler, he is to left sided to do that and there not much speed to him.

here's a theory could Wenger still be holding hope in getting back into the title race, resting our inform players for the Liverpool game hoping that others will mess up.

And your definition of dribbling is what? leg-overs only?
because am sure body-faints, fake-shots, flip-flap, nutmegs are also dribbles and have been done by Robin or do I have to post links to his goals against Blackburn, Villa, Inter e.t.c

Not all dribblers are as fast a Ronaldo or Messi

dribble means getting by a number of players. please do show us these links to these goals scored this season

[GunnerDude]

so its just not me that thinks rvp isnt as good as he thinks he is, for me he doesnt do enough, doesnt score goals , hardly creates, has no pace or dribbling skills , doesnt play well with adebayor or anyone else up front it seems and i can never figure out why he is so loved by some
wenger made a balls of the line up by playing rvp in a 5 man midfield when nasri or arsehavin were better options , lets hope he will have learned from this before the manc games

Has the most assist in the prem could be more if Ade and Co. could finish, several of his goals proves he can dribble, yes he has no pace but in the end he was played out of position hence why he couldn't do enough.

RVP is no dribbler, he is to left sided to do that and there not much speed to him.

here's a theory could Wenger still be holding hope in getting back into the title race, resting our inform players for the Liverpool game hoping that others will mess up.

And your definition of dribbling is what? leg-overs only?
because am sure body-faints, fake-shots, flip-flap, nutmegs are also dribbles and have been done by Robin or do I have to post links to his goals against Blackburn, Villa, Inter e.t.c

Not all dribblers are as fast a Ronaldo or Messi

dribble means getting by a number of players. please do show us these links to these goals scored this season

Firstly are we talking about Van Persie as a player over the years for Arsenal or are you trying to use this season alone to support your arguement.

Dribbling: refers to the maneuvering of a ball around a defender through short skillful taps or kicks with either the legs (football/soccer. The purpose of such an action is to bring the ball past a defender legally and to create opportunities to score.

Dont think it has to be like Maradona vs England before its classed as a dribble

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsbLjpAh ... re=related (Inter)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npj9DFLLVTw (Villa)
and am sure there are some compilations you could check out in your spare time.

[IW8Goalmachine]

Has the most assist in the prem could be more if Ade and Co. could finish, several of his goals proves he can dribble, yes he has no pace but in the end he was played out of position hence why he couldn't do enough.

RVP is no dribbler, he is to left sided to do that and there not much speed to him.

here's a theory could Wenger still be holding hope in getting back into the title race, resting our inform players for the Liverpool game hoping that others will mess up.

And your definition of dribbling is what? leg-overs only?
because am sure body-faints, fake-shots, flip-flap, nutmegs are also dribbles and have been done by Robin or do I have to post links to his goals against Blackburn, Villa, Inter e.t.c

Not all dribblers are as fast a Ronaldo or Messi

dribble means getting by a number of players. please do show us these links to these goals scored this season

Firstly are we talking about Van Persie as a player over the years for Arsenal or are you trying to use this season alone to support your arguement.

Dribbling: refers to the maneuvering of a ball around a defender through short skillful taps or kicks with either the legs (football/soccer. The purpose of such an action is to bring the ball past a defender legally and to create opportunities to score.

Dont think it has to be like Maradona vs England before its classed as a dribble

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsbLjpAh ... re=related (Inter)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npj9DFLLVTw (Villa)
and am sure there are some compilations you could check out in your spare time.

it's no use showing goals from past seasons. he hasn't done much dribbling this season so therefore he's not much of a dribbler is he

[g88ner]

Firstly are we talking about Van Persie as a player over the years for Arsenal or are you trying to use this season alone to support your arguement.

Dribbling: refers to the maneuvering of a ball around a defender through short skillful taps or kicks with either the legs (football/soccer. The purpose of such an action is to bring the ball past a defender legally and to create opportunities to score.

Dont think it has to be like Maradona vs England before its classed as a dribble

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsbLjpAh ... re=related (Inter)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npj9DFLLVTw (Villa)
and am sure there are some compilations you could check out in your spare time.

Sorry GunnerDude, but you've either completely missed the point of this thead or you're just being pedantic.

Of course Van Persie can, by defintion, dribble a football... but RvP does his best work CLOSE to goal and NOT ON THE WING - The YouTube clips you've provided back this up.

He hasn't got the attributes to be a winger... and that's NOT a criticism. He's suited to playing centrally, and is good in that role.

This thread has, probably predictably, gone off on a tangent. It wasn't supposed to be a Van Persie slagging thread, and it wasn't supposed to be a debate about what constitutes as "dribbling"....

but that's the nature of a forum, and it's that unpredictability that makes this place great!

To recap...

This thread was a theory about whether Van Persie's contract situation played a part in him starting way out of position on the left, when - in my opinion - a more suitable candidate was sat on the bench twiddling his thumbs!

Anyway, you lot get back to picking the bones out of what the definition of dribbling really is....

[hadareud]

I doubt it very much g88ner. First of all I doubt that Wenger would do that and secondly I don't think Van Persie would make his decision to extend rest on being started or not in one particular game.

He just got the lineup wrong. We should have gone with a 4-4-2 (or 4-4-1-1 if you prefer to call it that) with 2 wingers and Van Persie behind Adebayor. That's our best formation by far, no matter who we play.
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anyway, back to "1 foot Van Persie":

he scored 7 goals with his right this season, out of 17. 2 were headers and 3 penalties.

So basically, he scored the majority of goals that came out of open play with his right foot.

Maybe this silly argument about him only having one foot can now finally die. I somehow doubt it though. As I can see on a daily basis with Arsenal supporters on the internet, arguments do not have to be based on reality to be popular and repeated without thinking.

[franksav63]

I doubt it very much g88ner. First of all I doubt that Wenger would do that and secondly I don't think Van Persie would make his decision to extend rest on being started or not in one particular game.

He just got the lineup wrong. We should have gone with a 4-4-2 (or 4-4-1-1 if you prefer to call it that) with 2 wingers and Van Persie behind Adebayor. That's our best formation by far, no matter who we play.
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anyway, back to "1 foot Van Persie":

he scored 7 goals with his right this season, out of 17. 2 were headers and 3 penalties.

So basically, he scored the majority of goals that came out of open play with his right foot.

Maybe this silly argument about him only having one foot can now finally die. I somehow doubt it though. As I can see on a daily basis with Arsenal supporters on the internet, arguments do not have to be based on reality to be popular and repeated without thinking.

Statman you're a legend.....

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

I doubt it very much g88ner. First of all I doubt that Wenger would do that and secondly I don't think Van Persie would make his decision to extend rest on being started or not in one particular game.

He just got the lineup wrong. We should have gone with a 4-4-2 (or 4-4-1-1 if you prefer to call it that) with 2 wingers and Van Persie behind Adebayor. That's our best formation by far, no matter who we play.
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anyway, back to "1 foot Van Persie":

he scored 7 goals with his right this season, out of 17. 2 were headers and 3 penalties.

So basically, he scored the majority of goals that came out of open play with his right foot.

Maybe this silly argument about him only having one foot can now finally die. I somehow doubt it though. As I can see on a daily basis with Arsenal supporters on the internet, arguments do not have to be based on reality to be popular and repeated without thinking.

Statman you're a legend.....

Ski Ba-Bop Ba-Dop-Bop...

Not sure where you found the stats hadareud but I was thinking the same thing about his alleged “one-footednessâ€

[hadareud]

what can I say

edit: there's no stats site for that. I did it from memory. I got it wrong though, because he actually scored 3 headers. So it's 7-7, with three goals with his left foot coming from penalties.

The goals with his chocolate leg:

Cardiff
Chelsea x2
Hull
Liverpool
Spurs
Newcastle

[GunnerDude]

Firstly are we talking about Van Persie as a player over the years for Arsenal or are you trying to use this season alone to support your arguement.

Dribbling: refers to the maneuvering of a ball around a defender through short skillful taps or kicks with either the legs (football/soccer. The purpose of such an action is to bring the ball past a defender legally and to create opportunities to score.

Dont think it has to be like Maradona vs England before its classed as a dribble

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsbLjpAh ... re=related (Inter)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npj9DFLLVTw (Villa)
and am sure there are some compilations you could check out in your spare time.

Sorry GunnerDude, but you've either completely missed the point of this thead or you're just being pedantic.

Of course Van Persie can, by defintion, dribble a football... but RvP does his best work CLOSE to goal and NOT ON THE WING - The YouTube clips you've provided back this up.

He hasn't got the attributes to be a winger... and that's NOT a criticism. He's suited to playing centrally, and is good in that role.

This thread has, probably predictably, gone off on a tangent. It wasn't supposed to be a Van Persie slagging thread, and it wasn't supposed to be a debate about what constitutes as "dribbling"....

but that's the nature of a forum, and it's that unpredictability that makes this place great!

To recap...

This thread was a theory about whether Van Persie's contract situation played a part in him starting way out of position on the left, when - in my opinion - a more suitable candidate was sat on the bench twiddling his thumbs!

Anyway, you lot get back to picking the bones out of what the definition of dribbling really is....

My response was never ment to be in line with the thread rather to correct certain statements made on here with reguards to Van Persie's ability. And yes I do know he is not a winger.

[g88ner]

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anyway, back to "1 foot Van Persie":

he scored 7 goals with his right this season, out of 17. 2 were headers and 3 penalties.

So basically, he scored the majority of goals that came out of open play with his right foot.

Maybe this silly argument about him only having one foot can now finally die.

hmm... well, that's that then I suppose. Van Persie has a decent right foot. The stats say so, so who am I to argue?!

You know, I do find these conversations exhausting, because I'm almost sure that hadareud must surely have noticed that in general play, Van Persie heavily favours his left foot.

Regardless of which foot he swings at the ball with, he's CLEARLY much more comfortable on his left foot. In fact, it's so obvious that I don't know why I'm typing these words!

Even Van Persie says:

"Positive thinking is the key for me – when I have a chance I think positively. I think this is a good chance with my right foot – I can score this one. And I think you will miss many more chances with your chocolate leg if you think negatively, thinking that it’s not your strong foot."

Stats can tell you a lot, but I trust what I see with my own eyes, and I don't believe Van Persie is equipped to playing on the left wing... and his preference to keeping the ball on his left foot is a contributing factor to me forming that opinion.

Nothing he did on Saturday changes my mind.

He's best in the centre, closer to goal.. and he can be devastating in that central role - and that's where he should stay!!

[Yankee_Gooner_Dandee]

Your arguement sounds good g88ner. However...why not just play the exact same formation we played against Villarreal earlier in the week?

----------------Adebayor--------------
---------------Van Persie--------------
Arshavin------Fabregas------Walcott
-----------------Song------------------
Gibbs----Silvestre---Toure----Eboue

This line-up would be the same as Villarreal except Arshavin in for Nasri. It's essentially still a 4-5-1 and also suits Van Persie's play style.

Fact is, Wenger fucked up the formation and personel. Yes the players werent very good and we had a make-shift back 4. BUT I still believe if we had come out in this formation with the intent to attack Chelsea and not play their game then we would have won.

This arguement still stands until argued against. The conspiracy theory doesnt hold up. Wenger just bottled it thats all.

[hadareud]

I agree g88ner, without a question. Of course he's a leftie and heavily favours his left foot in general play. You won't see him cross and pass many times with right, of course.

I also don't think that the wing is a particularly strong position for him, nevermind left or right.

He can do a job there though, and he did so yesterday defensively. He actually got a few good tackles in. But going forward he was lost.

Arshavin would definitely have been more effective there, without the shadow of a doubt.