Adebayor...hands up

Post by **T.S** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:52 pm

I Hate Hleb wrote:BLOODY HELL!! YOU ASK FOR SOME OF HIS OTHER ATTRIBUTES AND WHEN I GIVE THEM - ALONG WITH ARSENE'S OPINION OF ADEBAYOR -YOU'RE STILL NOT HAPPY!!

YOU SAY HE DOESN'T SCORE MANY HEADED GOALS BUT HOW MANY HIGH CROSSES DO WE TEND TO PUT IN? LESS THEN MOST TEAMS I WOULD CONFIDENTLY SAY. AND YES, YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE TO AIM THE BALL UP TO ON OCCASIONS BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE LACKED FOR A WHILE - A TARGET MAN.

YOU CONCEDE THAT HE DOES HOLD THE BALL UP FOR US BUT THEN IMPLY THAT HE IS NOT EVEN THAT GOOD AT IT. COMPARED TO WHO? AND ANYWAY, WHO ELSE IN THE SIDE OFFERS US THOSE OPTIONS?

AS FOR GIVING DEFENDERS A HARD TIME - THAT INVOLVES MORE THAN JUST 'RUNNING AROUND'. HE GIVES DEFENDERS TROUBLE COMPETING IN THE AIR FOR BALLS AND WITH HIS MOVEMENT, AS RIO AND JOHN TERRY HAVE ALREADY TESTIFIED.

NO-ONE SAID THAT YOU HAD TO AGREE WITH THOSE OPINIONS TONY, BUT TO DISMISS THEM SO READILY IS A BIT CHURLISH! OR ARE YOU DOING AN ADRIAN DURHAM/MAGIC HAT, AND DELIBERATELY ARGUING FOR THE SAKE OF IT

Christ Almighty, some people can't just leave it, can they?

1) You're right, I'm not happy with the attributes you offered in defense of him because I would like to have a striker in my team with more in his arsenal (so to speak) than that. Hope that's OK with you.

2) As regards headed goals - he doesn't score many headed goals, but one of the defenses of him is that he's good in the air. I have seen very little proof of this 'being good in the air'. As for him being a target man, I think that's complete rubbish. I know he's deployed as one, but I don't think he's very good at it. Again, are you sure it's OK for me to say such a slanderous thing?!

3) There is a difference between saying he does hold the ball up and saying he has been known to do it. I have been known to play tennis. I wouldn't call myself a tennis player, though. Who else is in the side that offers us the options that Ade does? No one else. I see where you're going with that, but using that as an argument is never going to convince me.

4) Rio and John Terry reckon Ade gave them a hard time right? Well I can't argue with that, but at the same time, although he was hard to play against, they succeeded, didn't they (apart from Rio in one game)? If we lose to United or Chelsea this year, I won't be consoled by "oh well, at least Ade was tough to play against".

5) My disagreeing with you couldn't be less churlish, actually. All I've done is voice my opinion and because it goes against the grain, it would appear that certain individuals have a real bee in their bonnet about it. Tell you what mate, why don't we all just agree with everyone on here? That would make this place much more entertaining, wouldn't it?

As I said last time, I'm going to leave it now. Difference is, I'm actually going to do it this time. After my wanting to agree to disagree, your asking me whether I was deliberately arguing for the sake of it was a bit rich, wouldn't you say?

Matt_the_gooner · Post by **Matt_the_gooner** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:53 pm

The fact that he is so profligate means that if he werent at the arsenal then more than likley he wouldnt be scoring any goals at all, having said that name me one arsenal player who hasn't been profligate at some point, all of last season cesc couldnt get a goal for love nor money but this season he has just come good and i think ade will too if we give him a bit of time.

Another thing i have noticed is that he loves away fans abuse, every time he scores at spurs he runs behind the goal to the home fans just to wind them up and you can see he loves it, but can you ever remember a realy memorable prolific performance at home? i thought not, he's been good but i think he needs the jibes and boos from the crowd to realy kick him into action.

I have tried to second guess arsne (about signings and adebayor especialy) for years now, but im just going to have to face it arsne knows always has done always will.

Post by **I Hate Hleb** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:12 pm

ALRIGHT TONY, YOU CAN PUT THE TOYS BACK IN THE PRAM NOW!!

ALL I HAVE DONE IS TRY TO GIVE EXPLAINATIONS AND A DIFFERENT VIEW TO ALL THE POINTS AND CRITICISMS YOU HAVE MADE! THAT IS ALSO WHAT THIS FORUM IS ABOUT, ISN'T IT?

FECKING HELL!! WHO IS WANTING YOU TO AGREE FOR THE SAKE OF IT?

IF YOU LOOK AT EARLIER POSTS I HAVE REPEATEDLY SAID THAT WE WILL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF HIS TRUE WORTH AT THE END OF A FULL SEASON. NOWHERE HAVE I STATED THAT HE IS MY IDEAL FORWARD TO BE PLAYING FOR ARSENAL. HOWEVER, I'M WILLING TO BELIEVE IN AND SUPPORT HIM WHILE YOU APPEAR NOT TO WANT TO DO EITHER. MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO A BETTER JOB FOR US, YET HE IS WHAT WE'VE GOT AT THE MOMENT.

REFUSING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DEBATE - AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS BECAUSE NONE OF US KNOW THE ANSWERS FOR SURE, NOT EVEN YOU -IS CHURLISH AND FRANKLY, ALSO A LITTLE CHILDISH.

TO TELL THE TRUTH, I EXPECTED BETTER FROM YOU.

Post by **T.S** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:44 pm

I Hate Hleb wrote:ALRIGHT TONY, YOU CAN PUT THE TOYS BACK IN THE PRAM NOW!!

REFUSING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DEBATE - AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS BECAUSE NONE OF US KNOW THE ANSWERS FOR SURE, NOT EVEN YOU -IS CHURLISH AND FRANKLY, ALSO A LITTLE CHILDISH.

TO TELL THE TRUTH, I EXPECTED BETTER FROM YOU.

Are you really condescending me on a bloody forum?

Now, your saying that I'm not participating in a debate; seeing as that's all I have been doing on this thread for the past three pages, it would appear that you in fact are the one being deliberately argumentative (for a change) and quite frankly, showing off on a forum. Sorry, but I have no time for this. If you want to actually talk about football matters like an adult, then be my guest, but don't expect me to respond to such ridiculous posts again, because I certainly won't be.

I Hate Hleb wrote:...I'M WILLING TO BELIEVE IN AND SUPPORT HIM WHILE YOU APPEAR NOT TO WANT TO DO EITHER.

Erm...

tonysaunders wrote:If he becomes a clinical finisher and generally becomes a more intelligent footballer, then he will definitely be a very important player for us.

tonysaunders wrote:Quite right. If he ends the season like that, then I can have no complaints...There's clearly potential there and I hope more than anyone that he can fulfill it.

tonysaunders wrote:I'm not saying he won't go on to do it, and God knows I want him to...

Hate to be so blunt, but I really don't want to waste any more of my time on this. You're talking shite.

You have seemed determined to disagree with anything I have said on this topic. While I have said that I and others will have to agree to disagree, you have taken it upon yourself to incessantly attempt to condescend me and engage me in argument about this. I'm really sorry to disappoint you, but I moved on from the playground a long time ago, so this really is the end of my involvement on this topic as far as you're concerned. By all means, post another condescending reply and get the last word. I really couldn't care less.

Put my toys back in my pram? Puh-lease. I was having a decent and balanced debate about one of our strikers before you came along. This is not me throwing my toys out of the pram, this is me nipping this childish argument in the bud.

All_Arsenal_1886 · Post by **All_Arsenal_1886** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:48 pm

Note to Gooner.Ed, i think this debate should be put in the next issue of the Gooner it makes for a good reading

Post by **I Hate Hleb** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:49 pm

GO BACK THROUGH ALL THE POSTS ON THIS THREAD AND YOU WILL FIND IT WAS YOU THAT TURNED THIS UNNECCESSARILY INTO AN ARGUMENT, NOT ME!!

YOUR FIRST ONE TALKS OF PEOPLE BEING FICKLE; THE SECOND YOU TALK OF 'STATS' AND THEN GIVE A POOR EXAMPLE ABOUT THE 'TOP FOUR TEAMS' AND WHEN I POINT THAT OUT, IN THE THIRD ONE YOU SAY THAT I 'MISSED THE POINT' AND THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING 'CARRIED AWAY'.

IN YOUR FOURTH POST YOU SAY 'WHAT'S ALL THIS GUFF ABOUT HIM BEING A BIG GAME PLAYER?' AND WHEN I POINT OUT IT WAS SOMETHING YOU HAD ALSO WRITTEN, YOU BRUSH IT OFF AND CLAIM THAT, UNLIKE THE REST OF US PRESUMABLY, IT WAS A RARE EXAMPLE OF 'THINKING WHAT YOU'RE TOLD TO THINK'!!

IN YOUR SIXTH POST YOU ASK FOR ADEBAYOR'S ATTRIBUTES AND WHEN I GIVE THEM, YOU PROCEED TO TRY AND EXPLAIN THEM AWAY LIKE THEY DON'T MATTER BECAUSE YOU DON'T BELIEVE THEM AND YOU WANT THE DEBATE TO FINISH THERE!!

IT WAS AFTER THAT POST THAT THE CONVERSATION STARTED GETTING SILLY AND BEGAN DESCENDING INTO ANIMOSITY - ON YOUR PART RATHER THAN MINE. 'SHOWING OFF FOR THE FORUM'? IS THAT WHAT CLARIFYING THINGS THAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN AND GIVING A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW IS? AND HOW ABOUT THE 'IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT FOOTBALL MATTERS AS AN ADULT' LINE? - NOT CONDESCENDING AT ALL, THAT!!

FROM THE VERY FIRST POST UP UNTIL THE LAST ONE, IN WHICH I ADMIT I BEGAN TO LOSE MY COOL BECAUSE YOU SEEMED TO BE SO UNREASONABLE, I HAVE TRIED TO BE CONSTRUCTIVE, FACTUAL WHERE POSSIBLE AND BALANCED IN MY ARGUMENTS. IT IS YOU THAT HAS BEEN THE HARD-HEADED AND AGGRESSIVE ONE AND THE PERSON THAT STARTED THROWING INSULTS AROUND.

"I WAS HAVING A DECENT AND BALANCED ARGUMENT UNTIL YOU CAME ALONG".. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE WHEN I REPLIED TO YOUR FIRST POST AND BEFORE YOU HAD POSTED ANYTHING ELSE?

AS FOR ME 'TALKING SHITE' - NOW THAT REALLY DID HURT!! AND YOU CLAIM YOU LEFT THE PLAY-GROUND BEHIND

Post by **T.S** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:32 pm

Post by **I Hate Hleb** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:34 pm

TWO CAN PLAY THAT GAME MISTER!

Post by **T.S** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:37 pm

Copy cat.

Post by **I Hate Hleb** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:45 pm

YOU'RE A COPY-CAT!! (NOTICE THE USE OF YOUR RENOWNED - AND FRANKLY OFTEN QUITE SUCCESSFUL - TACTICS BEING USED AGAINST YOU?)

COME ON MATEY, I REALLY DIDN'T MEAN TO PISS YOU OFF AND WAS GENUINELY ENTERING INTO A DEBATE. SERIOUSLY, LOOK BACK ON MY POSTS AND YOU'LL SEE THAT WE AGREE ON A LOT OF THE SUBSTANCE OF IT - NAMELY THAT ADEBAYOR IS PROFLIGATE BUT OFFERS US VARIETY AND SHOULD HE IMPROVE AS WE HOPE, COULD END UP BEING A GREAT PLAYER FOR US. I WAS JUST TRYING TO BE FAIR TO ADE - AND NOTHING ELSE.

FORGIVE ME?

Post by **T.S** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:49 pm

Hmmm, I suppose. Only because you asked nicely though...

Post by **T.S** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:52 pm

In actual fact, this has all been an ingenious ploy of mine to get my total number of posts up so that I can somehow catch Berel "Rebel" Gooner!

Post by **I Hate Hleb** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:32 pm

COR BLIMEY, YOU'D NEED TO START AN ARGUMENT OFF WITH EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM ABOUT ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING TO EVEN STAND A CHANCE OF GETTING ANYWHERE NEAR REBEL!!

SURELY YOU'D PREFER THE QUIET LIFE OF A 'NORMAL' POSTER?

Post by **REB** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:37 pm

KEEP ME OUT OF YERE CHILDISH POSTING BRAWL

AND BY THE WAY IM STILL NOT A BIG FAN OF ADEBAYOR

Post by **T.S** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:41 pm

rebel gooner wrote:KEEP ME OUT OF YERE CHILDISH POSTING BRAWL

Shut it, Berel