Just go Arsene

donaldo · Post by **donaldo** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:19 pm

Wenger was outthought by a better manager over the two legs.When it comes to tactics Wenger is left wanting.Dont fucking tell me Arsene knows he left our best player out v chelsea and keeps playing that useless *word censored* Greedybayor

Time to go Arsene

Calo · Post by **Calo** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:20 pm

the gap between the top three and and us shown for what it is

outclass, out gunned, out fought,

played like frightened kittans

cant believe when we went 2-0 down we didnt try plan b and put an extra striker on

even with 10 men thye better than us

im so upset

augie · Post by **augie** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:21 pm

Fair enough thatgooner and I not only accept your explaination but I also understand it

I have suggested before on here that my perspective might be different cos I am not english but to my mind I want a successful team/club regardless of the nationality of the owners. The way I see it we have a foreign manager, foreign coaches and mostly foreign players so it is a bit late in the day to start checking passports

Post by **flash gunner** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:22 pm

Wenger is no tactical genius he gets the best out of good or reasonable players. Time is ticking on his reign if he cant get this lot winning

thatgooner · Post by **thatgooner** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:22 pm

Irish Gooner wrote:Thatgooner you're threading on a fine line. Mocking the Irish on here when only 2 of us posted in this thread before your post ,one from northern ireland, is bullshit.

Why single us out? Heard of Liam Bardy have you?

get off your fucking high horse will ya. I said that the Irish might not care as much about an American owner. And I stand by that statment.
So then to say that im singling out the irish for what i feel is a more than fair assumption is a stupid thing to say so fuck Off!!

Calo · Post by **Calo** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:27 pm

before we sack wenger i still want to know the truth

did he have or have not money to spend

Cockerill's chin · Post by **Cockerill's chin** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:28 pm

Am I one of the unopinionated thatgooner??

Seems a bit harsh seems as i have been wary of the custodians motivations for 3 years now. Anyway, can one of the Irish gooners tell me how I should think about this arrogant knob?

augie · Post by **augie** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:28 pm

thatgooner wrote:
Irish Gooner wrote:Thatgooner you're threading on a fine line. Mocking the Irish on here when only 2 of us posted in this thread before your post ,one from northern ireland, is bullshit.

Why single us out? Heard of Liam Bardy have you?
get off your fucking high horse will ya. I said that the Irish might not care as much about an American owner. And I stand by that statment.
So then to say that im singling out the irish for what i feel is a more than fair assumption is a stupid thing to say so fuck Off!!

Calm down mate - it was a simple misunderstanding that once you explained your comment I am sure that irish gooner will have backed off. We are all a bit sensitive tonight thats all

rodders999 · Post by **rodders999** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:30 pm

Doesn't play Arshavin in the FA cup semi, yet starts him as captain in a dead rubber versus Portsmouth a few games later.

Plays Cesc off the striker in the first leg of the semi at OT.

Plays 4-5-1 tonight when we needed to take the game to United.

3 bizarre decisions which have destroyed our season. Whats going on?

augie · Post by **augie** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:33 pm

Look if we are all honest here we will agree that tactically wenger has always been shite even when we were winning trophies

King_Kolo · Post by **King_Kolo** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:39 pm

If Arsene Wenger is sacked it will be nothing short of a disgrace.

The man is up there with Herbert Chapman as one of arsenal's 2 greatest ever managers. They both revolutionised the club, and football in this country. Chapman was sadly taken whilst at the helm, but this enabled him to go down as a legend. Wenger deserves to be seen in this light, even if he never wins another trophy for us. Much as some people don't like the new stadium, without it, we can forget about ever challenging with Europe's elite again. Wenger is almost solely responsible for that.

The game has changed dramatically in the time since we last won a trophy, with overseas billionaires pumping money into the other big 3 clubs. The fact we're still anywhere near them is nothing short of a miracle. When you then factor in the stadium debt it's incomprehensible. Yet with Arsene we have stayed in touch.

I am also sickened by the lack of loyalty among fans. We waste no time in mercilessly criticising players if they so much as hint they would like to play elsewhere - eg Adebayor. Yet when a manager, who could quite easily have walked into any of Europe's top jobs years ago, goes through a difficult period, people want him out at the drop of a hat. Talk about double standards.

I just pray Arsene gets to decide when his time is up, because if he is sacked, the image of class that football fans associate with AFC will take a severe blow.

Forgive the rant, I'm feeling very emotional after tonight

FOXYARSENAL · Post by **FOXYARSENAL** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:43 pm

king kolo wenger will not be sacked and that is our problem,i think it gives him the license to do what he wants at our club instead of being put under pressure like any other manager,do you think fergie would get away with it at man u?? not a chance and look what he has done for them

thatgooner · Post by **thatgooner** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:46 pm

FOXYARSENAL wrote:king kolo wenger will not be sacked and that is our problem,i think it gives him the license to do what he wants at our club instead of being put under pressure like any other manager,do you think fergie would get away with it at man u?? not a chance and look what he has done for them

Its a completely different situation at Manchester United. They've got cash to burn. Could you see us spending Â£30 mill for Rio and Rooney and still being able to pay Â£15 mill for Carrick and so on??

No chance

skipper · Post by **skipper** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:46 pm

King_Kolo wrote:If Arsene Wenger is sacked it will be nothing short of a disgrace.

The man is up there with Herbert Chapman as one of arsenal's 2 greatest ever managers. They both revolutionised the club, and football in this country. Chapman was sadly taken whilst at the helm, but this enabled him to go down as a legend. Wenger deserves to be seen in this light, even if he never wins another trophy for us. Much as some people don't like the new stadium, without it, we can forget about ever challenging with Europe's elite again. Wenger is almost solely responsible for that.

The game has changed dramatically in the time since we last won a trophy, with overseas billionaires pumping money into the other big 3 clubs. The fact we're still anywhere near them is nothing short of a miracle. When you then factor in the stadium debt it's incomprehensible. Yet with Arsene we have stayed in touch.

I am also sickened by the lack of loyalty among fans. We waste no time in mercilessly criticising players if they so much as hint they would like to play elsewhere - eg Adebayor. Yet when a manager, who could quite easily have walked into any of Europe's top jobs years ago, goes through a difficult period, people want him out at the drop of a hat. Talk about double standards.

I just pray Arsene gets to decide when his time is up, because if he is sacked, the image of class that football fans associate with AFC will take a severe blow.
Forgive the rant, I'm feeling very emotional after tonight

I also pray he does it himself and does it tonight or very very soon!

And I also pray he stops saying bullsh%t such as:

Great spirit
Mental strenght
It's our time now
Great charachter
They are Winners

(insert yr own)

augie · Post by **augie** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:47 pm

King Lolo I understand where you are coming from re the double standards in loyalty us fans show but the 2 cases that you cite are completely different. Anyway from a personal viewpoint I too would prefer not to see wenger sacked at any stage but at the end of the day it is the club and the progress of the club that is paramount above all else. Wenger has contributed immensely to our club and football in general since his arrival but we have quite obviously gone very much backwards in the last 5 seasons and the goodwill he has built up cannot last indefinitely. Last august I argued that wenger should go this summer if we flopped again this season cos we cannot afford to stand back idly and watch another transfer window pass by as we try to live out arsene's dream

Either he changes his perspective (and that is highly unlikely

) or he has to move on and it is simple as that