NO EXCUSE FOR LEAVING EARLY

Post by **REB** » Wed May 06, 2009 1:31 pm

so what if people left early

since the club don't ever listen to the fans it is one of the only ways to make peoples frustrations known

gusher311 · Post by **gusher311** » Wed May 06, 2009 1:32 pm

Percy Dalton wrote:Can we all stop playing the "I am a bigger fan than you" game!
Fuck me , it is like Top Trumps in here today!

Thank you.

and btw digger you're one of the best posters on here but your comment about me and RaM is just fucking stupid.

12thGooner · Post by **12thGooner** » Wed May 06, 2009 1:33 pm

RobC wrote:n7: what I actually said was "If we are as poor against Chelski on Sunday, I doubt I will still be there at HT!", and I stand by that.

As regards to the location of the new ground, it would have been much more convenient for the majority of Arsenal supporters (a significant majority of whom live outside the M25. FACT.) if it had been located, US-style, on the M25. (athough it might have been impossible to get planning permission granted). If you have been to any of the modern US sports stadiums you would recognise the truth in this. 60,000-seat stadiums do not belong in overcrowded and dilapidated city centres.

I support Arsenal Football Club, and I have no loyalty or love for the crappy and inconvenient corner of North London, where the club has the misfortune to be located.

Of course; I will be flamed from all sides for expressing these views, but don't worry, I will be renewing my two season tickets in the upper tier on the halfway line in a couple of weeks, just to annoy everyone!

Where are you from??? ffs.

US sports stadiums are just that "Sports Stadiums" built for convinience and to host various sporting events, concerts blah blah.. located conveniently of turning 4 off whatever road.

Football grounds are just that , football grounds. These teams have been essentially built over 100years or more. A team was people from one local are playing a team from another. You know how this works. Dial Square and Plumstead are a long time ago. Arsenal moved to north london almost 100 years ago, they reprsent that area. Simple as. If you have a problem with geographical location that the team you 'support' represents i suggest you find a nice posh clean part of this country / planet and follow the nearest team to that one and i'm sure they'll be just as inconvinient and a chore to get to. North london is my home and it produced the team that you follow. As much as a coroporate entertainment industry football is becoming it hasn't made it to US standards yet, and it does not need a helping hand.

It would be interesting to see where you're from.

I sure hope your comment as to its condition is borne from spending some serious time in the area and getting to know it. North london is home to a lot of people. don't knock it. Esp on here.

Irish Gooner · Post by **Irish Gooner** » Wed May 06, 2009 1:40 pm

I'm more worried when people leave early when we are winning which happens regular, even more so than other clubs.

On the other hand the majority of players and alot of the new breed of club reps dont give a fuck about the fans and this is the only way they will learn.

RobC · Post by **RobC** » Wed May 06, 2009 2:09 pm

Highbury was a football ground, The Emirates is a sports stadium. Arsenal have built themselves a sports stadium surrounded by infrastructure that was barely capable of supporting a football ground, hence the severe match-day congestion.

I grew up in Hertfordshire and currently live in Berkshire. Both locations are very deep in Arsenal fans.

Not that it has any relevance to this discussion, but I feel obliged to establish my credentials, so here goes: my family have been Arsenal fans for roughly 100 years. My father grew up in Kings Cross and went to school in Highbury. I have had 2 season tickets for 16 years and both my young sons are already brainwashed for the cause!

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Wed May 06, 2009 2:12 pm

RobC wrote:Highbury was a football ground, The Emirates is a sports stadium. Arsenal have built themselves a sports stadium surrounded by infrastructure that was barely capable of supporting a football ground, hence the severe match-day congestion.

I grew up in Hertfordshire and currently live in Berkshire. Both locations are very deep in Arsenal fans.

Not that it has any relevance to this discussion, but I feel obliged to establish my credentials, so here goes: my family have been Arsenal fans for roughly 100 years. My father grew up in Kings Cross and went to school in Highbury. I have had 2 season tickets for 16 years and both my young sons are already brainwashed for the cause!

Sorry mate but most grounds in London including Wembley are difficult to get away from by public transport. Just a sign of the times.

12thGooner · Post by **12thGooner** » Wed May 06, 2009 2:14 pm

RobC wrote:Highbury was a football ground, The Emirates is a sports stadium. Arsenal have built themselves a sports stadium surrounded by infrastructure that was barely capable of supporting a football ground, hence the severe match-day congestion.

I grew up in Hertfordshire and currently live in Berkshire. Both locations are very deep in Arsenal fans.

Not that it has any relevance to this discussion, but I feel obliged to establish my credentials, so here goes: my family have been Arsenal fans for roughly 100 years. My father grew up in Kings Cross and went to school in Highbury. I have had 2 season tickets for 16 years and both my young sons are already brainwashed for the cause!

I'm not questioning your credentials as a Gooner. Just your comment that having the ground somewhere other than North London would not be Arsenal and more like mk dons are to the former wimbledon.

The transport is bollox, no question of that, but it if it wasn't (never likely) would you still be happy with the ground being in north london.

wlchuccc · Post by **wlchuccc** » Wed May 06, 2009 2:17 pm

Calm down Calm down Calm Down Calm Down...

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Wed May 06, 2009 2:19 pm

12thGooner wrote:
RobC wrote:Highbury was a football ground, The Emirates is a sports stadium. Arsenal have built themselves a sports stadium surrounded by infrastructure that was barely capable of supporting a football ground, hence the severe match-day congestion.

I grew up in Hertfordshire and currently live in Berkshire. Both locations are very deep in Arsenal fans.

Not that it has any relevance to this discussion, but I feel obliged to establish my credentials, so here goes: my family have been Arsenal fans for roughly 100 years. My father grew up in Kings Cross and went to school in Highbury. I have had 2 season tickets for 16 years and both my young sons are already brainwashed for the cause!
I'm not questioning your credentials as a Gooner. Just your comment that having the ground somewhere other than North London would not be Arsenal and more like mk dons are to the former wimbledon.

The transport is bollox, no question of that, but it if it wasn't (never likely) would you still be happy with the ground being in north london.

Yeah, bit like Woolwich Arsenal moving across the river to......Opps!

I'm not helping am I?

RobC · Post by **RobC** » Wed May 06, 2009 2:25 pm

True, but it doesn't have to be so.

IMO Arsenal should have been forced as part of the planning consent to contribute to the cost of upgrading the local transport infrastructure.

I remember reading in an early draft of the plans for the new ground that the club were going to have to fund the upgrade of Holloway Rd tube station, to install escalators etc. I have no idea how this slipped out of the plans, but it should not have been allowed to do so.

It also seems absurd to me that Drayton Park Station is in the shadow of the ground, but is closed on match days because of insufficient infrastructure.

Additionally, a 3rd bridge across the railway lines, in between the existing 2 would make a big difference to helping people get away from the ground after the match.

MM99 · Post by **MM99** » Wed May 06, 2009 2:29 pm

REBEL GOONER wrote:so what if people left early

since the club don't ever listen to the fans it is one of the only ways to make peoples frustrations known

cos it makes us look like a laughing stock.

digger · Post by **digger** » Wed May 06, 2009 2:36 pm

gusher311 wrote:
Percy Dalton wrote:Can we all stop playing the "I am a bigger fan than you" game!
Fuck me , it is like Top Trumps in here today!

Thank you.

and btw digger you're one of the best posters on here but your comment about me and RaM is just fucking stupid.

Why? What gives you the right to criticise people who spent their money on tickets and decided to leave because watching the rest of the game was a pointless exercise. I'm dead against people who leave 10 mins early to catch a more convenient train, but this is different.

If I went to a cinema to watch a blockbuster and it turned out to be a load of over-hyped shit, I'd leave.
If I went to the theatre to watch some top actor's production, but it was awful, I'd leave.

Someone said they left early to make a point to the players, club, management, media etc that it was not a good enough performance.

12thGooner · Post by **12thGooner** » Wed May 06, 2009 2:36 pm

RobC wrote:True, but it doesn't have to be so.

IMO Arsenal should have been forced as part of the planning consent to contribute to the cost of upgrading the local transport infrastructure.

I remember reading in an early draft of the plans for the new ground that the club were going to have to fund the upgrade of Holloway Rd tube station, to install escalators etc. I have no idea how this slipped out of the plans, but it should not have been allowed to do so.

It also seems absurd to me that Drayton Park Station is in the shadow of the ground, but is closed on match days because of insufficient infrastructure.

Additionally, a 3rd bridge across the railway lines, in between the existing 2 would make a big difference to helping people get away from the ground after the match.

I think the deal with doing up the local stations still stands, there is a disagreement with the cost. Planning was agreed at a certain amount and then tfl asked for a lot more and Arsenal , to our detriment but rightly so, said get fcuked.

n7gooner · Post by **n7gooner** » Wed May 06, 2009 2:37 pm

RobC wrote:True, but it doesn't have to be so.

IMO Arsenal should have been forced as part of the planning consent to contribute to the cost of upgrading the local transport infrastructure.

I remember reading in an early draft of the plans for the new ground that the club were going to have to fund the upgrade of Holloway Rd tube station, to install escalators etc. I have no idea how this slipped out of the plans, but it should not have been allowed to do so.

It also seems absurd to me that Drayton Park Station is in the shadow of the ground, but is closed on match days because of insufficient infrastructure.

Additionally, a 3rd bridge across the railway lines, in between the existing 2 would make a big difference to helping people get away from the ground after the match.

What is the point of doing holloway station when any train going southbound would be packed already with people from both finsbury park and arsenal?

I do agree Drayton park should be open as it is so close to the ground and is a over ground service rather then a underground train.

digger · Post by **digger** » Wed May 06, 2009 2:39 pm

RobC wrote:True, but it doesn't have to be so.

IMO Arsenal should have been forced as part of the planning consent to contribute to the cost of upgrading the local transport infrastructure.

They were... TfL decided to spend the money elsewhere (Kings X)

I remember reading in an early draft of the plans for the new ground that the club were going to have to fund the upgrade of Holloway Rd tube station, to install escalators etc. I have no idea how this slipped out of the plans, but it should not have been allowed to do so.

Money was provided, but TfL decide where it's spent

It also seems absurd to me that Drayton Park Station is in the shadow of the ground, but is closed on match days because of insufficient infrastructure.

Drayton Park is on a line which closes at approx 9pm mon-fri. How would improving facilities at that station benefit Arsenal?

Additionally, a 3rd bridge across the railway lines, in between the existing 2 would make a big difference to helping people get away from the ground after the match.

Would it really? Three seperate bridges dumping 40,000 odd people to Drayton Park Rd? Why can't people look at a map and decide to use Caledonian Rd/Highbury & islingon/Archway/Angel/a bus/etc if the queue at Arsenal disagrees with them?