"Judge me in May".....OK Arsene, here goes

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flash gunner wrote:
Red Carpet wrote:I think we all realise where our level is currently.

4th in the league, FA Cup semi final are about our level

CL semi final is punching above our weight.

Its peoples reasoning for why that I question ..
Shouldnt we want better? This forum gives us supporters a chance to say how we think things could be better. For that reason everyone has the right to say how they think Wenger has it wrong or not in varying degrees. Wenger and Arsenal dont read this message board so ultimately a Wenger out thread wont make anyones mind up but fuck me if someone wants to let out their feelings then great. If Wenger says judge me at the end of the season then he is being judged in this thread

Personally i think we are 3-4 signings away from challenging and if Wenger pulls his fucking finger out and signs them then he is the right man to lead us if he doesnt make them (money permitting) then maybe he isnt the man for the job anymore
He will sign 5 players this summer, no worries, but they are all 16-20 years old kids :lol: :wink:

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As Robin Van Persie once said

"Arsenal is THE team to play for"


:oops: not anymore

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LIKE MANY IM NOT HAPPY WITH THE CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS. BUT HAVE SAID IN PREVIOUS POSTS I GIVE HIM ONE MORE YEAR.

BUT WITH THE MAGIC RUSSIAN ABOUT WE CAN WIN REST OF GAMES AND FINISH 3RD, WHICH IS TECHNICALLY AN IMPROVEMENT.

HERE'S HOPING :roll: :wink:

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Arsene Wenger and Herbert Chapman stand together as the greatest managers Arsenal have ever had. Wenger can stay as long as he wants as far as I'm concerned. I can't believe that he has to defend himself against so-called Arsenal fans (presumably the same spineless bastards who left the Man U game at various points over the last 80 minutes). You only sing when we're winning.


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Shellshock wrote:Arsene Wenger and Herbert Chapman stand together as the greatest managers Arsenal have ever had. Wenger can stay as long as he wants as far as I'm concerned. I can't believe that he has to defend himself against so-called Arsenal fans (presumably the same spineless bastards who left the Man U game at various points over the last 80 minutes). You only sing when we're winning.


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After 4 pages of posts with massive amounts of writing, with reasoned well thought out criticisms this is the best you can repost with?

I have no issues bringing my reasoning down to such moronic levels.

You brother are chatting shit. :banghead:

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flash gunner wrote:
Red Carpet wrote:I think we all realise where our level is currently.

4th in the league, FA Cup semi final are about our level

CL semi final is punching above our weight.

Its peoples reasoning for why that I question ..
Shouldnt we want better? This forum gives us supporters a chance to say how we think things could be better. For that reason everyone has the right to say how they think Wenger has it wrong or not in varying degrees. Wenger and Arsenal dont read this message board so ultimately a Wenger out thread wont make anyones mind up but fuck me if someone wants to let out their feelings then great. If Wenger says judge me at the end of the season then he is being judged in this thread

Personally i think we are 3-4 signings away from challenging and if Wenger pulls his fucking finger out and signs them then he is the right man to lead us if he doesnt make them (money permitting) then maybe he isnt the man for the job anymore


8) great fucking post Flash 8)

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augie wrote:Red Carpet I have just a couple of points in response to your last post -

1. I did not mean to imply that us attracting a sponsor is dependent on success but what I did say is that our asking price will surely being dropping after 4 barren seasons ? When we were winning the leagues we were high profile and everybody wanted to be linked with the club so the club could set their own asking prices for any sponsorship deal - now in our current prediciment the demand to sponsor us from companies will not be as high and to attract these sponsors we will have to reduce our demands cos telling them about the great young players, the spirit we have etc etc will not wash :roll:

2. Fans have no right to success and you are 100% right when you say this. However I believe what is really galling for the fans is that a lot of us feel we are not doing enough in a bid to be successful and that is unacceptable. That there has been a transfer profit in each of the last 4 seasons (pre arshavin) is testament to the fact that we are simply not investing anywhere near an adequate amount in quality playing staff. That we allowed 3 midfielders to leave a small squad last summer and only bring in one replacement is seen by the fans as the manager and club doing enough to make us competitive. The really big crux of the matter for a lot of fans is that most believe that wenger will not change his transfer policies even if he has an unlimited transfer budget at his disposal :x I think that fans also have a right to be irked when they look at the clubs wage bill being one of the highest in the league (2nd or 3rd I think?) and you look at the quality of the squad and wonder where is it being spent :? Then you add the fact that there are way too many players earning way above their ability status and you watch them in matches and it simply has to piss fans off :evil: We all have a pop at greedybayor's refusal to earn his wages and rightly so but there are a lot more players in that squad being over-paid for what they are doing for this club
I think in terms of attracting sponsorship, players and all the things associated with success fall into two very basic camps.
Those that qualify for the Champions League
Those that don't.

In my opinion (I don't know this for fact) when a player is weighing up your club as a potential destination he has two criteria.
1. Are they playing CL football.
2. Will they meet my pay demands.

Only a few clubs can actually win silverware in a season and no one can guarentee that so its not a realistic criteria to judge a team by.
You are clearly concerned (as are many others) that our future is being threatened by a lack of on field success.
Only this week we played in the CL semi final ??? ... further than Liverpool, AC Milan, Juve, Inter, Bayern and Real Madrid ??.

Arguably flirting with 5th place is a worry, but I am confident that we will have a top four finish next season, we are unbeaten in over 20 league games remember. Lets face it, the rest of the league is sh*te !!.

Of course we all want the team to do better, but I personally feel the current pressure on the manager is unrealistic at this time, when we are clearly trying to balance on field success with paying for a new stadium.

I do share your concern with some of the worrying signs on the pitch. The manager has clearly made some mistakes with formations and selections and I see a worrying lack of commitment and work ethic on occasions. We do lack a few leaders.

A few astute signings in the summer would make a huge difference don't you think ??, especially when you see the impact Arshavin has had. That can't have escaped the managers notice.

In short, we just need to manage our expectations a little.

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gusher311 wrote:
flash gunner wrote:
Red Carpet wrote:I think we all realise where our level is currently.

4th in the league, FA Cup semi final are about our level

CL semi final is punching above our weight.

Its peoples reasoning for why that I question ..
Shouldnt we want better? This forum gives us supporters a chance to say how we think things could be better. For that reason everyone has the right to say how they think Wenger has it wrong or not in varying degrees. Wenger and Arsenal dont read this message board so ultimately a Wenger out thread wont make anyones mind up but fuck me if someone wants to let out their feelings then great. If Wenger says judge me at the end of the season then he is being judged in this thread

Personally i think we are 3-4 signings away from challenging and if Wenger pulls his fucking finger out and signs them then he is the right man to lead us if he doesnt make them (money permitting) then maybe he isnt the man for the job anymore
8) great fucking post Flash 8)
Agree great post Flash.

The key point is in your first line 'Shouldnt we want better?' Answer: Of Course!
I think the board, Arsene and the rest of us know this.

As you say we're only 3-4 singings away and I also feel Wenger knows this as well as the board but the problem is that due the financing of the stadium we can't make those 'needed' signings.
I even think the board, Arsene and some of us know that because of the money which is currently paying for the stadium that we would be in for a few hard years.
I'd happily take 4 barron years if it meant 10+ years of global domination!
We've had to go back in order to go forward.

I know Wengers not without his faults and I'm sure he'd admit that but given the current situation and had we not had Wenger I feel that seasons like last year and this would be far worse. We may not have been in the CL this year.
Could managers like Rijkard, Billic and Van Basten do as well as Wenger given the current finances and limits? I'd doubt it! but I'd rather not know.

(incidentially, Van Basten resigned with Ajax being beating by AZ (champions) and FC Twente)

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Cheers Gusher and Boomer after 4,384 posts i finally get one thats half decent :barscarf:

Going back to your post Boomer if we were told that money is tight then maybe some of us would be more understanding but you get conflicting stories from board members ie " we have the money if Arsene wants to spend it" if that statement is true and Wenger doesnt strengthen in areas we all can see then you have to question his judgement. Its the pravda.com style "all is rosy" propaganda that pisses me off so much

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flash gunner wrote:Cheers Gusher and Boomer after 4,384 posts i finally get one thats half decent :barscarf:

Going back to your post Boomer if we were told that money is tight then maybe some of us would be more understanding but you get conflicting stories from board members ie " we have the money if Arsene wants to spend it" if that statement is true and Wenger doesnt strengthen in areas we all can see then you have to question his judgement. Its the pravda.com style "all is rosy" propaganda that pisses me off so much
Well your not gonna here Hill-Wood or the others say "Well-things are a little tight at the mo so I very much doubt anything will be done."

Any players being sold would lose value as clubs would believe we need the money. Therfore we would be able to sell so low and thus not being able to potientially buy!
Would also imply we would be a selling club.

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Boomer wrote:
flash gunner wrote:Cheers Gusher and Boomer after 4,384 posts i finally get one thats half decent :barscarf:

Going back to your post Boomer if we were told that money is tight then maybe some of us would be more understanding but you get conflicting stories from board members ie " we have the money if Arsene wants to spend it" if that statement is true and Wenger doesnt strengthen in areas we all can see then you have to question his judgement. Its the pravda.com style "all is rosy" propaganda that pisses me off so much
Well your not gonna here Hill-Wood or the others say "Well-things are a little tight at the mo so I very much doubt anything will be done."

Any players being sold would lose value as clubs would believe we need the money. Therfore we would be able to sell so low and thus not being able to potientially buy!
Would also imply we would be a selling club.
Ive been trying to work out why the club wouldnt just be honest about it and what you have stated is the only reasons i can come up with too but while they arent being up front about things there will be some unrest amongst supporters. That is what this thread is about Wenger said judge me and with the board members saying we have money to spend & Wenger not spending in critical areas then by my reckoning things arent as good as they could/should be

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flash gunner wrote:
Boomer wrote:
flash gunner wrote:Cheers Gusher and Boomer after 4,384 posts i finally get one thats half decent :barscarf:

Going back to your post Boomer if we were told that money is tight then maybe some of us would be more understanding but you get conflicting stories from board members ie " we have the money if Arsene wants to spend it" if that statement is true and Wenger doesnt strengthen in areas we all can see then you have to question his judgement. Its the pravda.com style "all is rosy" propaganda that pisses me off so much
Well your not gonna here Hill-Wood or the others say "Well-things are a little tight at the mo so I very much doubt anything will be done."

Any players being sold would lose value as clubs would believe we need the money. Therfore we would be able to sell so low and thus not being able to potientially buy!
Would also imply we would be a selling club.
Ive been trying to work out why the club wouldnt just be honest about it and what you have stated is the only reasons i can come up with too but while they arent being up front about things there will be some unrest amongst supporters. That is what this thread is about Wenger said judge me and with the board members saying we have money to spend, Wenger not spending in critical areas then by my reckoning things arent as good as they could/should be
It's also the same off the pitch with sponsors too. We wouldn't have as much bargaining power if we were known to be skint.

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Boomer wrote:
flash gunner wrote:
Boomer wrote:
flash gunner wrote:Cheers Gusher and Boomer after 4,384 posts i finally get one thats half decent :barscarf:

Going back to your post Boomer if we were told that money is tight then maybe some of us would be more understanding but you get conflicting stories from board members ie " we have the money if Arsene wants to spend it" if that statement is true and Wenger doesnt strengthen in areas we all can see then you have to question his judgement. Its the pravda.com style "all is rosy" propaganda that pisses me off so much
Well your not gonna here Hill-Wood or the others say "Well-things are a little tight at the mo so I very much doubt anything will be done."

Any players being sold would lose value as clubs would believe we need the money. Therfore we would be able to sell so low and thus not being able to potientially buy!
Would also imply we would be a selling club.
Ive been trying to work out why the club wouldnt just be honest about it and what you have stated is the only reasons i can come up with too but while they arent being up front about things there will be some unrest amongst supporters. That is what this thread is about Wenger said judge me and with the board members saying we have money to spend, Wenger not spending in critical areas then by my reckoning things arent as good as they could/should be
It's also the same off the pitch with sponsors too. We wouldn't have as much bargaining power if we were known to be skint.
Maybe but if board members are saying we have the money and Wenger isnt spending something somewhere is wrong. Surely silence would be the best option rather than bravado that makes our manager look below par

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Why does every discussion about football and our football manager turn into a debate about finance?

While I very much understand that Arsenal have financial constraints, we was told by all and sundry, including Wenger, that they would not affect the playing side of the club.

We can all guess about the size and length of the restrictions but what we do know for fact is that the first team of Arsenal Football Club has been in decline for several seasons now.

Arsene Wenger has had money to spend and it must be said that some of it has been spent very unwisely. While the introduction of Arshavin has been fantastic it was money spent in an area needing the least improvement. Only a very blinkered or blind man would fail to see that it is the spine of the team that requires the most surgery. The Arshavin's and Nasri's of this world and nice to haves but they need to be supported by players with experience and strength. For all the wonderful flair players we have had we have had in the past a Petit or a Keown was playing alongside them. Wenger's change of policy to go with smaller, quicker and more technical players has failed. So regardless of money, Wenger is at fault there and has been for several seasons.

At any other club in the world, the fall in standards seen at Arsenal would not have been tolerated and so of course the managers head would have rolled. I am not endorsing all managerial sackings but some are necessary in order to turn fortunes around. At present we are habitual also rans, nothing more and nothing less.

For a club like Arsenal that is not good enough and the buck stops with one man, Wenger!

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Percy Dalton wrote:Why does every discussion about football and our football manager turn into a debate about finance?

While I very much understand that Arsenal have financial constraints, we was told by all and sundry, including Wenger, that they would not affect the playing side of the club.

We can all guess about the size and length of the restrictions but what we do know for fact is that the first team of Arsenal Football Club has been in decline for several seasons now.

Arsene Wenger has had money to spend and it must be said that some of it has been spent very unwisely. While the introduction of Arshavin has been fantastic it was money spent in an area needing the least improvement. Only a very blinkered or blind man would fail to see that it is the spine of the team that requires the most surgery. The Arshavin's and Nasri's of this world and nice to haves but they need to be supported by players with experience and strength. For all the wonderful flair players we have had we have had in the past a Petit or a Keown was playing alongside them. Wenger's change of policy to go with smaller, quicker and more technical players has failed. So regardless of money, Wenger is at fault there and has been for several seasons.

At any other club in the world, the fall in standards seen at Arsenal would not have been tolerated and so of course the managers head would have rolled. I am not endorsing all managerial sackings but some are necessary in order to turn fortunes around. At present we are habitual also rans, nothing more and nothing less.

For a club like Arsenal that is not good enough and the buck stops with one man, Wenger!
I suspect that the club have not been entirely truthful with regards to our finances.

How you can call us habitual also rans when we have just played in the last 4 of the biggest tournament in Europe is beyond me.
If that isn't good enough I am afraid you will be continually disappointed.
It beggers belief some of the comments on this board.

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