At £10k a share the Russians are coming! (18/9)

[gooner.ed]

http://www.onlinegooner.com/editorial/index.php?id=75

usual thread starter. Do you think the board can hold out? Are you worried by the prospect of usmanov taking over?

[REB]

silent stan holds the key 2 the grove now, if he sells 2 dein and co then thats it,, stan will make a profit on shares he,s holding for a year and then the rest of the shares get mopped up,, remember, villa,lfc,man u,man c, all tryed 2 stop the hostile takepver and failed, do ye really think that dein is that stupid that he wasnt goin 2 get control,, just a matter of time

[Rainham Red]

This is getting scary.The more I hear of Usmanov the less I like the sound of him.At first I was in favour of David Dein coming back as I felt he was more in touch with the modern world than the present board who I think have Arsenal at heart but are a bit too conservative.However,now the money is rolling in (I read that we are now the second richest club on the planet) we should go it alone although if things get nasty join up with Kroenke at least he has not got the baggage the Russian has.

[REB]

most were happy when the thought of dein coming back was first aired, but i feel he has lost a lot of respect at the moment along with his choice of partners, at first i was very pro dein,now , not 2 sure,, one thing for certain is this could get messy and that wont be good for our club

[All_Arsenal_1886]

To be fair to David Dein, i think he only has the club at heart and believes the takeover is the right thing for Arsenal, the good thing is if Dein does get control him and Arsene are good friends and respect each other i don't think Arsene would have a problem with Dein being incontrol and not much should change at the club.
I don't think the takeover will be like a Man Utd or Chelsea takeover because i don't think they will come in and want to change things, They know it's a well run club and won't need to throw money at the club because it's not the Arsenal way.
Who knows the takeover might be good, great or bad for the club i just don't know and only time will tell, but i do still trust Dein because i believe he love the club as much as he ever has.
I have heard people say he is just looking for revenge over the board but i don't buy that he wouldn't ruin all his hard work that he has done for the club over the years.

[26may1989]

To be fair to David Dein, i think he only has the club at heart and believes the takeover is the right thing for Arsenal, the good thing is if Dein does get control him and Arsene are good friends and respect each other i don't think Arsene would have a problem with Dein being incontrol and not much should change at the club.
I don't think the takeover will be like a Man Utd or Chelsea takeover because i don't think they will come in and want to change things, They know it's a well run club and won't need to throw money at the club because it's not the Arsenal way.
Who knows the takeover might be good, great or bad for the club i just don't know and only time will tell, but i do still trust Dein because i believe he love the club as much as he ever has.
I have heard people say he is just looking for revenge over the board but i don't buy that he wouldn't ruin all his hard work that he has done for the club over the years.

I'm sorry All Arsenal 1886, I don't mean to be insulting, but you're being spectacularly naive here.

DD owns no shares now, he has no control, so it really doesn't matter if he can be trusted or not. Anything he gets at Arsenal, he will enjoy at the sufferance of Usmanov, a man accused and previously convicted of the worst crimes and with a deeply dubious commerical past and present.

In any event, I don't see how DD can be trusted, he's shown his true colours, that his ambitions and ego matter more than Arsenal or us. Had he stuck with Kroenke or gone to someone of that calibre, I might have a different view, but what he's done is nothing short of treachery.

Whatever happens, regardless of what we think of the board, we should stand against this.

Kroenke is definitely the key now - I just hope Fiszman, Hill-Wood and co are on a plane to the US now to do a deal with him.

The only saving grace in all this is the possibility that the EPL "fit and proper person" test for ownership could yet save us from Usmanov, though the Man City example does not bode well on that front.

[Rainham Red]

Don`t expect too much from the Premier League `fit and proper person` the Man City Chairman makes Usmanov look like Mother Teresa.

[All_Arsenal_1886]

To be fair to David Dein, i think he only has the club at heart and believes the takeover is the right thing for Arsenal, the good thing is if Dein does get control him and Arsene are good friends and respect each other i don't think Arsene would have a problem with Dein being incontrol and not much should change at the club.
I don't think the takeover will be like a Man Utd or Chelsea takeover because i don't think they will come in and want to change things, They know it's a well run club and won't need to throw money at the club because it's not the Arsenal way.
Who knows the takeover might be good, great or bad for the club i just don't know and only time will tell, but i do still trust Dein because i believe he love the club as much as he ever has.
I have heard people say he is just looking for revenge over the board but i don't buy that he wouldn't ruin all his hard work that he has done for the club over the years.

I'm sorry All Arsenal 1886, I don't mean to be insulting, but you're being spectacularly naive here.

DD owns no shares now, he has no control, so it really doesn't matter if he can be trusted or not. Anything he gets at Arsenal, he will enjoy at the sufferance of Usmanov, a man accused and previously convicted of the worst crimes and with a deeply dubious commerical past and present.

In any event, I don't see how DD can be trusted, he's shown his true colours, that his ambitions and ego matter more than Arsenal or us. Had he stuck with Kroenke or gone to someone of that calibre, I might have a different view, but what he's done is nothing short of treachery.

Whatever happens, regardless of what we think of the board, we should stand against this.

Kroenke is definitely the key now - I just hope Fiszman, Hill-Wood and co are on a plane to the US now to do a deal with him.

The only saving grace in all this is the possibility that the EPL "fit and proper person" test for ownership could yet save us from Usmanov, though the Man City example does not bode well on that front.

Like i said i trust David Dein i didn't say i trust Usmanov though, also i'm just hoping like any other Gooner is that whatever happens it's good for the club.
I don't think trusting David Dein is being naive and still belive he will do what he 'thinks' is best for the club and judging by his track record he's got more right than wrong.
If i got things my way i would probley back the current board though because we seem to bein a good position regardless of what some Gooners think.

[26may1989]

Don`t expect too much from the Premier League `fit and proper person` the Man City Chairman makes Usmanov look like Mother Teresa.

Usmanov looks worse to me, but you're probably right, relying on the PL's fit and proper person test is probably a waste of time.

The test is, I think, based on convictions - Thaksin Shinawatra has "only" been charged with, and not yet convicted of, $1bn of corruption and human rights abuses when Thai PM, which is why he was allowed to buy MCFC.

Usmanov did spend 8 years in prison and so was convicted of criminal offences. However, when the Soviet Union broke up, he convinced the lovely people in authority (with whom he couldn't possibly have had any links, monetary or otherwise) to expunge his criminal record. Therefore, under Russian/Uzbek law, he probably isn't a convicted criminal and is probably free to take control of our club.

Oh joy. Thanks DD, you're a star.

[Magic Hat]

usual thread starter. Do you think the board can hold out? Are you worried by the prospect of usmanov taking over?

Yes to first question, yes I am horrified about the prospect if a miracle happens and he takes over. Incidentally, I can't seem to read the article, I get:


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[dvbrisgooner1]

I believe in the current Board and their resolve to resist a takeover up to a point. However, if Kroenke sells to Usmanov he then becomes the largest shareholder, which means the Board are, effectively, unable to do anything without him. That means that he would almost certainly have to have a man on the Board (and we all know who that is). At this point we would have a very counter-productive situation upstairs.

Whatever happens, the involvement of Dein and whoever is putting up the money can only spell the end of the Arsenal we have now, and have ha for 121 years. These are worrying times.

[into the red]

Talking about Dein is missing the point. He has no real power, having sold his shares. Obviously he is a very convenient front for Usmanov, letting fans believe he has the interests of the club at heart etc etc. But if Usmanov ever gets his dubious way, and I hope to God he never does, what makes you think Dein will be chairman, or have the real power at the club? By then he will be dispensable, and Usmanov can call the shots anyway, even if Dein is the PR 'figurehead'. Dein has traded heavily on Arsene Wenger, but Arsene has shown he doesn't need Dein or anybody else. There is also no guarantee that Wenger is going to like life under the Uzbek Capone. Hill Wood is right - Dein's actions have destabilised the club, they don't need him or dirty money. The priniciple is surely right that it is not good for any club to be the private fiefdom of any one individual, especially one who has political and other motives for owning a club he has no connection with at all. Arsenal are independent of any one person, profits are not taken out of the club, everything is looking good. Why on earth change a successful and honorable tradition to be involved with such disreputable people whose intentions are shrouded in mystery. I hope these people never come close to owning a club, least of all Arsenal.