RVP ready to talk to Arsenal about £80k-a-week deal

[Gunner4Life72]

hes not worth half of that

fucking hell robin you disgust me,you spend 4 years being injured,have half a good season then hold the club to ransom

and this all after we offer you a new contract when your locked up on suspicion on rape

sometimes i would love to walk into these players in the street and remind them of a few things

Top post Lethal. You have read my mind. Just fed up with these mercenary attitude... it's about time that them boys give back to the club and AW half of what they have received.

[g88ner]

i didnt mean it in relation to the clubs finances/investment wise. i meant in the sense that no footballer, no matter how great they are should be on that kind of money. therefore, its hard for us to imagine rvp on 80k especially as its been his first good season, but in comparison to players that he could be classed amongst, they are also gettign ridiculously high wages.

But, you can't seperate football from business anymore.... so it's far too simplistic to say a player, or no player, is worth 80k+.

Yes, it's a lot of money but they're assets of multi-million pound businesses, within a global market, so relative to the income and revenues these clubs make... 80k a week may be a reasonable reward.

I do see your piont, and I'm honestly not trying to be pedantic but I just think a person is worth what they bring to the company... and when we're talking players like Beckham & Ronaldo, it shouldn't be underestimated just what they do bring.... therefore, they should be rewarded in kind; if not, then where does the money go?? probably to line the pockets of the directors.

[Lethal]

and you think van persie is worth 80 grand a week ?

hes inconsistent,injury prone and his performances this season bar his wonder month have not been good enough.

i cant remember him scoring many goals other then penaltys in the second half of the season.

hes not good enough to be starting in a team attempting to win the premier league.

he's scored 4 penalties all season, 16 goals from open play.

20 goals in total and 15 assists. More assists than any other player in the league (11).

He'd earn close to or over 100k at Man Utd and Chelsea and over 100k at a club like Inter. What we think he or any other players is worth bares no relevance. Their market value is dictated by what comparable players earn, it's as simple as that.

edit: about those injuries - he's missed 3 league games this season through injury. I'm pretty sure that's close to the top of least injured players at the club this season. The only season he was injury prone was last season. Breaking a bone in his foot the season before is nothing but bad luck.

he missed 10 games this season in the league,i dont think you can say how many were because of injury,but keep in mind wenger rested him often because he knew that too many games would result in injury.you say 3,which is bullshit.

and you say he would earn 100k a week at chelsea or united,he wouldnt get in their starting elevens.

added to this,he owes us..how many clubs in football would have stuck with him through his injuries and a RAPE CASE ! chelsea would have kicked him out and sued within 5 minutes.

[skipper]

If ofered £25 million for RVP, we should sell him, no question. Not as good as he thinks he is.

Eduardo is our best striker.

[hadareud]

first of all he was cleared in the rape case, so that's absolute bollocks.

The number of games he missed I mentioned on the other hand is absolutely not.

He was injured against Man City (h), Liverpool (a) and Middlesbrough (h). He was suspended against Man Utd (h) and Villa (h) and he was on the bench against Bolton (a), Portsmouth (h), West Brom (a) and Blackburn (h). He was not in the squad against Portsmouth away like 90% of the other regulars because they were being rested for the Champions League game against Man Utd.

About his injuries in previous years - as I said the only year he was injury prone was last year, where he sustained several niggling injuries after coming back from his knee injury. The year before he was out with a broken metatarsal (something that can happen to anyone, ask Rooney) and the years before that he wasn't out for any significant amount of time.

[Lethal]

you dont seem to understand what im saying about the rape case,i never said he was guilty,but for the club to offer him a new deal in the middle of it all is really incredible support for a player,and i dont think many other clubs would do so..for example chelsea suing mutu for 8 million.

and the games he was left out off were a result as wenger has said,of him being on the verge of cracking.

we will never be able to rely on him,if you cant admit that robin van persie is injury prone then i give up.

metatarsals,toes,muscles,bla bla bla

they all result in the same thing..him not playing.

[hadareud]

Of course the club stood behind him, that's because we're not *word censored* like Chelsea etc.

I'm sure he appreciates it. He's been here for 5 seasons now and about to sign a new 4 year contract, so I don't think it's a question of him not being loyal to the club. He's stated numerous times how strongly he feels about this club.

I don't think he's particularly injury prone, no. Not more than any other striker. He's been fit all season long apart from 3 league games and that he was being rested in some games is nothing out of the ordinary these days.

It all comes down to you saying that he was holding the club to ransom, which is simply not true. Again, the club want him to extend the contract and the club will have to pay close to current market value for him. He's not holding the club to ransom, he's going to be get paid what he is worth in the market (or close to it). I don't understand what's so bad about this, it's absolutely normal that people want to be paid the same money or close to the same money that they would earn elsewhere, especially when they are about to commit their absolute prime to a club. This will be the most important contract of his career, it will keep him at the club until he's nearly 30 years old. Of course he wants to get paid accordingly and of course he wants to make sure that he's going to be able to win trophies.

[Bergkamp-Genius]

I can see us selling Clichy if the money is right and he shows any interest in going, it'll be similar to when Cole went they new Gael was ready to step in and i think they are probably thinking something similar now about Gibbs.

If i thought for one minute that Ade would get his act together for next season and show just three quarters of what he showed in the first half of 2007-08 season i would sell Rvp in a second.
As talented as Rvp is i don't think he is effective enough, he doesn't play the lead striker role very well or the deep striker role particularly well and i can see players out there who would cost less money than we could get for Rvp who would play the roles he is supposed to play for us far more effectively than he does.
I know it would be difficuilt to swallow for most on here but as much as Ade has annoyed the hell out of me this season, now the season is over and i'm able to think clearer with less emotion i think it may be a better idea to get rid of Rvp than Ade, at least Ade when he is playing well gives us a real presence up front both physically and with his pace, so he plays a valuable role in the team structure and gives us more options and a better balance, on his game he is a real handful which i don't think Rvp ever is.
I think it may be worth taking the chance that Ade gets his act together next season, i mean he could hardly get any worse and unlike the season just gone where he thought he had made it and thought he had nothing to prove he will be in no doubt this year that he has everything to prove and i don't think even he is stupid enough to give it anything but his all.

In rvp's defence he had the most assists in the league and scored some important goals earlier in the season, i also thought that he was very unlucky in certain games, he hit the post and bar on numerous ocassions.

As i have said on other threads i don't go by stats, i go by what i see, i like watching Rvp and i think he is a very talented footballer but he just doesn't fit in well with any system we play and he isn't good enough to just be given a free role where he does what he wants, sometimes players can be undoubtedly talented but in a way hold back the team because they are not actually a part of the team they play for themselves, although Rvp's assists look very good and suggest he is a real team player i don't believe he is and i think we could find players that would suit our style and be more effective than Rvp even if they happened on the face of it to be not quite as talented as he is.

I will piggy back that lazy c**t greedybarndoor to his next team, he will never give his all to arsenal after the stick he got early in the season.

He is an absolute disgrace, simple as, he is so arrogant in the knowledge that he gets sheds loads of money, fundamentally from the people that give him stick.

Yea i know how you feel he is undoubtedly a wanker and it goes against the grain for me to put a case for him staying, but on reflection i would find it almost as hard to put a case for any of our players ( AA aside )after the season i have just watched, if the money was right and adequate replacements were lined up i would find it hard to argue with us letting any of our players go, they all have proved to me this season that they are not indispensable and there are plenty of adequate replacements out there ready to come in and prove themselves, which a lot of our players appear to think they have already done, which is half their problem.
Looking at the Rvp and Ade situation in particular i just happen to believe that for the team as a unit Ade putting the effort in gives us more than Rvp does and if we have to sell one of them it may be a better idea for the sake of the balance of the team to sell Rvp and replace him with someone who balances our attack better than he does.

[donaldo]

If RVP had scored 20 goals a season for the last four seasons i would say yes give him a new contract but he hasnt.Three of the four seasons he has been out injured with long term injuries.To give a player with his injury record an 80k a week contract for 4 years is madness.If someone is stupid enough to buy him for 25m and pay him 80k a week then sell him

[AFCWozza]

I feel were being a little over critical here, can someone provide me with a quote from RVP himself stating that he wont sign until we provide ambition and signings?

Footballing wise i have no idea why people would WANT to sell one of our better players, on his day Van Persie can be devastating, we went through a period of this season when Van Persie single handedly kept us going, the main point that stands out was the quite superb volley away at Everton where we was seconds from defeat and only created 1 chance in the whole match.

Yes his is unpredictable but his is just 25 years old, he is one of our more experienced players and always gives it 100% on the pitch, the stats dont lie he was our key forward last season and i feel he is reaching the very best years of his career. I'd definitely want to keep him, why weaken the squad?

[Bergkamp-Genius]

Footballing wise i have no idea why people would WANT to sell one of our better players

To replace him with a player that fits better into our team.

we went through a period of this season when Van Persie single handedly kept us going

Single handedly, are you sure about that, it makes me laugh when a player or a manager does the job he is supposed to do and is credited with carrying every one else on his back, he played well, he scored some nice goals, thats his job, for once since he has been with the club he did it quite regularly, lets not talk about it like Arsenal revolves around him all of a sudden cos he had a few good months. There are very few teams that create as many chances as we do, even this season, believe it or not Rvp did not create all those chances he scored for himself or the multitude of chances he missed, other players actually took part in that.

the main point that stands out was the quite superb volley away at Everton where we was seconds from defeat and only created 1 chance in the whole match

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If that was the only chance on goal what on earth was the guy that carried us single handedly doing for the rest of the game, being totally ineffectual is the answer to that question, which is why we could do with replacing him with someone who is less likely to become ineffectual for 89 minutes..

[AFCWozza]

But is he really expected to score goals after goals after goals, i dont think its his best position, i think you'd see the very best of Van Persie playing alongside an out and out striker such as Eduardo or have Theo Walcott through the middle.

You'd know yourself that one of our greatest players of all time was a certain dutch man named Dennis Bergkamp, he didn't set the world alight with his goal scoring record (scoring less that 1 every 3 matches) but was so creative and clever during his time at arsenal that he earned the accolade of possibly the greatest foreigner in the premier league ever. Bergkamp was a class apart and im not comparing him directlty to Van Persie but im just stating that maybe Van Persie should be used in that position. Bergkamp had the joys of being able to be the free man and drift off of Ian Wright and Thierry Henry and play with freedom, Van Persie on alot of occasions this season has played as a loan striker which doesnt help his game one little bit.

Bergkamp was signed at the age of 25, and it took him a few seasons to become the great player he did, he hit his peak from his 3rd season onwards and formed those devastating partnerships with the STRIKERS. Van Persie could be a fantastic forward linked with the correct STRIKER. With Width coming from Arshavin and Walcott, Eduardo central and Van Persie given the freedom to create we could have a fantastic front line.

[Bergkamp-Genius]

Thats the whole debate and the whole problem with Rvp, yes we all know he is very talented, but he doesn't have what it takes to play as the main striker and i don't think many of us me included believe he has the tools to make the most of playing just off the main striker regardless of who it is.

He certainly doesn't have the vision, brain or passing ability to play a similar role to Dennis, he is also regardless of what the stats say too selfish to play that role not to mention imo both AA and Eddie are far better suited to play that role than he is.

So that is why i'm suggesting it might be a good idea cashing in on him and using the money to get someone who plays a specific role for us very well, either a speed merchant goal scorer similar to Et'o'o or a left sided wide man come striker in the mould of Villa or Robben, we already have AA that should be playing off the main striker.
Surely specialists in these positions that Rvp plays in have got to be better than a guy however talented isn't really ideal in any of them.

[augie]

I think, and I may well be wrong here, that the reason why some of the fans may be unhappy with rvp is not for the 80k per week but the comments about the direction the club is going. Yes 80k per week is a lot for a player that has given us 1 very good season since he has joined but you cannot expect a man who works as hard as he does to accept less payment than a mercenary *word censored* who just strolls around the pitch (usually into offside positions too ) can you ? The rate of pay thing has been set at a stupid level by the club themselves and rvp is well within his rights to play by those standards.

I'm sorry but I cannot get my head around the arguement that he is best suited to the Bergkamp role Lest we forget DB10 (the real one and not the jackeen imposter ) could see a pass like nobody else and could deliver it with one touch if the need was there - rvp doesnt do one touch passing and isnt in the same galaxy as Bergkamp when it comes to vision. I can already hear the protests about the fact that there are very very few who have the unique ability to see a pass but luckily we have such a player in our midst and that of course is Arshavin As I keep saying to be successful you have to play your best players in their best positions so as to maximise their talents so it follows that Arshavin should, without question, play in the No.10 position. The arguement for playing him on the wing cos he can create that something special doesnt hold water for me either....why play a man that has that ability on the wing where he is peripheral to the game and might get maybe 2 or 3 real chances to do that magic when you can play him in a more central role where he has more chances to do his stuff ? Anyway why did we buy nasri if he isnt going to play on the wing ? I would question whether it is yet another case of wenger pandering to his french players but that is a debate for another day

[g88ner]

I'm sorry but I cannot get my head around the arguement that he is best suited to the Bergkamp role

By calling it the "Bergkamp role" you're inviting a direct comparison with the great man, and I think that's unfair.

I think Van Persie IS best suited to playing off a main striker (Eduardo, Ade or Bendtner) because he certainly isn't all that great on the wing or as a lone striker, that's for sure!

Give Van Persie a quality strike partner and he WILL score goals and he WILL make assists for others.... I have no doubt about that.

That said, and here is where I agree with you Augie....

I'd rather Arshavin played centrally where he can effect the game the most. He's wasted on the wing in my opinion.

Arshavin is best suited to playing in the "Bergkamp role" or on the left of a front 3.... HOWEVER playing Van Persie makes it VERY difficult to fit Arshavin in anywhere other than on the wing of a 4-4-2 and I don't think that's getting the best out of the Russian maestro

So what's the answer?? I don't know, and I'm not saying RvP should be sold, but I also wouldn't be crying myself to sleep if Van Persie was sold and the money was re-invested in a player who fits into a system that better suits Arshavin.