Dont apoligise to me.... im all in favour of tits bein on show.... combination of my 2 pastimes Football & Women
Let the Good Timez Roll...................
media to much?
Here's another example of things getting a bit out of hand in the press (even if it is a jokey piece): http://football.guardian.co.uk/poll/0,,2183820,00.html.
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gus ceasar is a legend
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Just ignore the media, they only comment on speculation and myth!
When Arsene's brand of football works we are the bees knees and when things don't work out we get torn to shreads by the same journalistic monkeys!
99% of what they scrawl is utter shite and is best ignored!
I always wonder what true understanding of the game these guys have?
When Arsene's brand of football works we are the bees knees and when things don't work out we get torn to shreads by the same journalistic monkeys!
99% of what they scrawl is utter shite and is best ignored!
I always wonder what true understanding of the game these guys have?
Surely depends what papers you are reading and what programmes you are watching TV??gus ceasar is a legend wrote:Just ignore the media, they only comment on speculation and myth!
When Arsene's brand of football works we are the bees knees and when things don't work out we get torn to shreads by the same journalistic monkeys!
99% of what they scrawl is utter shite and is best ignored!
I always wonder what true understanding of the game these guys have?
Plenty of journalists have very good contacts in the game and therefore the information is usually solid.
The above statement should be qualified to certain areas of the media.
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gus ceasar is a legend
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Fine comeback! Is that Wilde?
Patrick Vieira WAS close to joining Real Madrid as was reported by certain journalists, with agreements being made. Almost everyone at the time said it was just made up rubbish. But it is on record now.
Certain rags will print anything and sensationalise and other have proper journalists wtih good contacts. Personally I am sceptical about everything but if a journalist/newspaper has a good record then I trust them.
Maybe you need to change your news supplier - and maybe it is them that are supplying the utter bullshit!
Patrick Vieira WAS close to joining Real Madrid as was reported by certain journalists, with agreements being made. Almost everyone at the time said it was just made up rubbish. But it is on record now.
Certain rags will print anything and sensationalise and other have proper journalists wtih good contacts. Personally I am sceptical about everything but if a journalist/newspaper has a good record then I trust them.
Maybe you need to change your news supplier - and maybe it is them that are supplying the utter bullshit!
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Agreed there are better journalists than others and they may well have better contacts!
However, it is clear that whatever the journalists credentials the information they receieve from whichever source is masseaged and manipulated to fit into the their emploers (publishers) ethos which is solely driven by copies sold!
As for the example of Viera, very true but I could name countless stories of players nearly signing or not whatever the case maybe! The majority being pure fiction! An example being Wenger and his contract in the summer........to a man the journalists said he was going! Wrong!
Sorry if my reply was short, but it was not driven by Wilde rather a little uesd source called Fact!
Anyhow I wasn't aware we was competing for the Booker prize!
However, it is clear that whatever the journalists credentials the information they receieve from whichever source is masseaged and manipulated to fit into the their emploers (publishers) ethos which is solely driven by copies sold!
As for the example of Viera, very true but I could name countless stories of players nearly signing or not whatever the case maybe! The majority being pure fiction! An example being Wenger and his contract in the summer........to a man the journalists said he was going! Wrong!
Sorry if my reply was short, but it was not driven by Wilde rather a little uesd source called Fact!
Anyhow I wasn't aware we was competing for the Booker prize!
gus ceasar is a legend wrote:Agreed there are better journalists than others and they my well have better contacts!
However, it is clear that whatever the journalists credentials the information they receieve from whichever source is masseaged and manipulated to fit into the their emploers (publishers) ethos which is solely driven by copies sold!
As for the example of Viera, very true but I could name countless stories of players nearly signing or not whatever the case maybe! The majority being pure fiction! An example being Wenger and his contract in the summer........to a man the journalists said he was going! Wrong!
Sorry if my reply was short, but it was not driven by Wilde rather a littleuesd source called Fact!
Anyhow I wasn'y aware we was competing for the Booker prize!
So, there are examples of journalists doing a good job, and providing factually accurate stories - and there are plenty who dont't. That's the point!
You say the majority are pure fiction - how the hell can you prove that? Do you know what goes on in the background with agents putting stories around and clubs leaking information and then denying it? I don't, and as I said, I am sceptical but if someone with a good track record comes to the fore, the I trust their information.
And fact you say - I must have missed that. Was it the 99% you quoted?
And, I didn't read any piece that said Wenger was going. They might have said he was unsettled.
Here is something from Arsene Wenger's most recent interview in France:
Were you ever tempted to leave Arsenal when you found out your friend David Dein was leaving the board? Did you have doubts about staying?
AW: I had my doubts, yes, at certain moments. You always have this type of thought when you come to the end of your contract.
So some papers sensationalise this where others take a lighter tone - doesn't mean it doesn't have some truth to it! Now that's what I call FACT.
I don't mind anybody saying what I write is utter bullshit or if you like, fucking crap - I look back on it myself and think the same! But to say you are using things called facts - when you don't quote anything or put arguments forward (in your first post) and to say, dismissively, "end of story" is not promoting anything other than a slanging match.
Your opinion and fact are two different things.
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I AGREE THAT MOST OF IT IS BOLLOCKS BUT THERE ARE A FEW - BUT ONLY A FEW - WRITERS THAT ARE SLIGHTLY BETTER INFORMED AND THEREFORE MORE TRUST-WORTHY.
I REMEMBER WRITING AN E-MAIL TO MR RAT FACE (THE SPANISH GUY ON SKY WHO'S NAME IS TOO DIFFICULT TO SPELL) AT THE TIMES DURING THE SUMMER ABOUT THE ON-GOING HENRY SAGA AND ACCUSING HIM OF TALKING BULL-SHIT WHEN HE CLAIMED HENRY HAD AGREED TO JOIN BARCELONA. WITHIN A FEW HOURS, HENRY WAS GONE AND I WAS LEFT FEELING A FOOL (YES, AGAIN!
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HOWEVER, MY RULE OF THUMB WHEN IT COMES TO SPECULATION IS TO NOT BELIEVE ANY OF IT UNTIL 'IT' HAPPENS.
BY THE WAY, IS BOOKER T REFORMING? WHAT A GREAT BAND THEY WERE!!
I REMEMBER WRITING AN E-MAIL TO MR RAT FACE (THE SPANISH GUY ON SKY WHO'S NAME IS TOO DIFFICULT TO SPELL) AT THE TIMES DURING THE SUMMER ABOUT THE ON-GOING HENRY SAGA AND ACCUSING HIM OF TALKING BULL-SHIT WHEN HE CLAIMED HENRY HAD AGREED TO JOIN BARCELONA. WITHIN A FEW HOURS, HENRY WAS GONE AND I WAS LEFT FEELING A FOOL (YES, AGAIN!
).HOWEVER, MY RULE OF THUMB WHEN IT COMES TO SPECULATION IS TO NOT BELIEVE ANY OF IT UNTIL 'IT' HAPPENS.
BY THE WAY, IS BOOKER T REFORMING? WHAT A GREAT BAND THEY WERE!!
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Show me your FACTS arounnd how you know that certain journalists have good contacts in the clubs and how we know for FACT that these reliable sources are not feeding them the kind of tripe the journalists want to hear and so making a quick buck for themselves? Then show me the FACTS that prove that these journalists then use the information provided acurately and truthfully?
You cannot! It is all down to opinion, like yours and mine!
The bullshit comment was in no way a personal insult but was aimed at your belief that media works in any other way than a money making machine which will happily ignore the truth as that is often boring! It is much easier to either twist the truth to suit or failing that make up something completely!
The truth is at present we are nowhere near the Invincible teams acheivements but we are being portrayed this way because its a headline and it suits them right now! Come a bad run we will be shit because we have no cutting edge etc etc! The truth will be somewhere in the middle!
My comments were never designed to cause an arguement but I do firmly feel the vast majority of the media can be trusted as far as you can throw them!
Until it happens and you see it with your own eyes you are always relying on someone elses moral, views and judgements which may not be as scrupulous as your own!
You cannot! It is all down to opinion, like yours and mine!
The bullshit comment was in no way a personal insult but was aimed at your belief that media works in any other way than a money making machine which will happily ignore the truth as that is often boring! It is much easier to either twist the truth to suit or failing that make up something completely!
The truth is at present we are nowhere near the Invincible teams acheivements but we are being portrayed this way because its a headline and it suits them right now! Come a bad run we will be shit because we have no cutting edge etc etc! The truth will be somewhere in the middle!
My comments were never designed to cause an arguement but I do firmly feel the vast majority of the media can be trusted as far as you can throw them!
Until it happens and you see it with your own eyes you are always relying on someone elses moral, views and judgements which may not be as scrupulous as your own!
gus ceasar is a legend wrote:Show me your FACTS arounnd how you know that certain journalists have good contacts in the clubs and how we know for FACT that these reliable sources are not feeding them the kind of tripe the journalists want to hear and so making a quick buck for themselves? Then show me the FACTS that prove that these journalists then use the information provided acurately and truthfully?
You cannot! It is all down to opinion, like yours and mine!
The bullshit comment was in no way a personal insult but was aimed at your belief that media works in any other way than a money making machine which will happily ignore the truth as that is often boring! It is much easier to either twist the truth to suit or failing that make up something completely!
The truth is at present we are nowhere near the Invincible teams acheivements but we are being portrayed this way because its a headline and it suits them right now! Come a bad run we will be shit because we have no cutting edge etc etc! The truth will be somewhere in the middle!
My comments were never designed to cause an arguement but I do firmly feel the vast majority of the media can be trusted as far as you can throw them!
Until it happens and you see it with your own eyes you are always relying on someone elses moral, views and judgements which may not be as scrupulous as your own!
It's "Opinion" now.
You said that you were dealing with FACT - not me! Please re-read what you said. I agree that papers put stories out to sell papers - I think that is a given. It doesn't take away from the fact that alot of what is put out. in one way or another, is proved to have taken place with historical record.
Your first paragraph is just things I have already said. As I said I don't know what goes on - but, again, for example if the same reporter/journalist puts out the story of Vieira and then of Wenger, unsensationalised, and it turns out to have had an ELEMENT of truth in it, then I will trust that more than I will other sources, who are no more than gossip columns.
I repeat that I am sceptical about everything I read and everything I am told. But I do have a judgment system.
What I said in original reply, and still stands, is that it depends on your sources of news as to how far, I believe, you can trust them.
And as for seeing it with my own eyes, yes - but I don't dismiss everything I hear because "99% of it is rubbish", if it has been proved in the past that certain area of the media can be trusted in providing real factual insight - as I have demonstrated.
I even believe some of what you write Gus!
