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still think we are good enough
i respect anyone's right to have there own opinion and post positive things on this forum but for fucks sake its about time some people took off the gooner tinted goggle and have a look at this team of ours . my god this is the worse arsenal team since 1994 or thereabouts and i for one am getting very pissed off with wenger and the poxy board of directors who are running our club,
why do we have to look at the likes of almunia, song,eboue,bentdner,dennilson walcott and a few others every fucking week, its just not good enough,
Reb
The worst thing that happended was the 6-1 win at Everton
.Everyone got carried away by it.We were going to win the league after one game.
The season is only a month old yet Fabregas missed the game at OT and today Arshavin was out injured.We just do not have the back up to replace these players.Result: two defeats
How anyone could believe this squad which finished 18pts behind Man Utd was going to close the gap without any major signings was in cuckoo land
yes that was far worse than losing against utd and city! dont be so daft! Im massively dissapointed after yesterday as when we got to 1-1 i thought we would go on and win it, it was strange game all in all, we were excellent up to conceding, but too many individual errors cost us again!
What you sow so shall you reap Dont want to get into a big rant cos am just pushing myself further into this depression and believe me I am deep enough as it is We all knew that when some of our blinded rose tinters put up a ridiculous thread saying how wrong us realists were after just two fcuking games (against shit opposition too) that this response was going to be just around the corner
The bottom line is that we have too many average/shit players (almunia, fcuking diaby, song and bedtner for starters) and as I suggested above we cannot expect to compete with the top sides when we depend on that level of mediocrity I simply cannot understand how that useless plank diaby can be (a) picked to start any fcuking game & (b) not be subbed in a game where he is absolute shit I dont care how green ramsey is cos if he isnt as good or better than diaby then he has no place being at our club - give the kid a run of games (and vela too) and hey maybe the results wont be a lot better but these players listed above have had their chance and failed to take it so maybe it is time to give the likes of ramsey and vela a run of games to see if they can do better
our title hopes if we had are over already. chelsea are 9 points clear of us already. does anybody in their right mind believe this shire can make that up even this early un the season. the thing that really annoyed me yesterday was at 1 each we played like we were 3-1 down instead of keeping our heads we went gung ho. who gave these orders. the blame for this has to lie with wenger
realists are getting carried away by this defeat just like rosetinters were carried away by the victory at everton. simple is that.
it isn't any of the two extremes - we are not getting relegated - rvp had a good game, unlucky as always, but very good, song was not better because he was too exposed, and the thing is, you can complain as much as you want about eboue, diaby, denilson and song, but the man who fucked the whole game, who was incredibly SHIT, was a guy who even the realists thought was good enough for a league winning side - gael clichy. wright philips did wathever he wanted, it was a massacre. i don't know why, and i'm surprised. i never thought clichy was brilliant at defending, but i never thought he could be such a gigantic pile of shit. i'm amazed.
i was also positively impressed with rosicky. we forgot how good he is. he was better than hleb, i didn't remember that. i think there is as much class and quality in rosicky as in fabregas and rvp. he is a brilliant excellent marvelous player. manure do not have a midfielder like him in their team. it's hard to calculate the kind of difference that it can be to this team if rosicky manages to stay fit. he is twice as good as samir nasri, i'm sorry, but he is.
but i'm worried. what the fuck happened to clichy?
The important thing from now on is that Wenger learns from his mistakes by NOT picking Diaby and sticking Bendtner on the wing.....but we've seen it so many times before, Wenger panders to his poor little average players and to keep their morale up, will tell them they are world class and will play them in a couple of games time. In a season where you can afford to lose no more than three or four games, we are two down already. 5th place will be a good finish this season.
im still very much pro-wenger but to say i am not concerned or worried would be an understatement after wasting roughly £80 of my money on saturday watching that crap.
we were awful 1st half but in the second at 1-1 we looked good and should have gone on to win it, i think everyone sensed a second, but then yet again we self destructed.
what concerned the most was that no one seemed to have a static position - i kept on seeing vermaelen up around their penalty box and why wenger insists on playing bendtner and diaby out of position i dont know. if you're going to play nik, at least make him the focal point of the attack and put RVP on the side, and rosicky looked so good he may as well ahve started. Dont get me started on Almunia, who last season's form seems like a long time ago.
anyway i'm getting off the point - the worrying concerned is that we haven't beaten rival i.e. manure, chelski, scousers, villa, spuds etc. in 2009 and despite an encouraging defeat against united, we seem to be shooting ourselves in the foot.
i personally don't believe that this results shows we are going to struggle this season: it sure as hell feels like it but i have faith in wenger righting the wrongs, and the impressive start (post Manchester) hopefully can be resurrected.
Yet again the main problem is defensively, and the only clean sheet we have kept this season was against a celtic side under a new manager without Nakamura and the likes of Fortune and Samaras up front.
so why has wenger not spent the 40m? i think the question is did wenger have the money to spend? im not 100% sure, but i guess he would have had some of it. the thing is wenger (if he had wanted to sign a CB) would need to shift silvestre and senderos as we have 5, which he was unable to do. The next thing is to find someone at a reasonable price. Hangeland? Fulham said they would hold out for silly money and need to find a replacement - if we had offered senderos would he have gone? im not convinced. Similarly in centre mid, we have plenty of bodies, and if he brought a face in what does it say to the likes of denilson and song? Now i know plenty of you will go they ain't good enough etc. but song is improving and denilson also has improved and have had a full season's experience under their belt. Wenger buying in players goes against his recent philosophy and has the potential of causing unrest within the squad.
i personally dont think it's as bad as its been made out to be - we were just caught out at the back and exposed again and again trying to catch citah. Im personally more worried about the board than wenger, as if we have significant financial constraints i cant think of a better manager to be in charge. A few of my mates agree that something isnt right in the boardroom and maybe the concern of Highbury being unprofitable may be the reason, and the impetus to clear as much debt asap.
but if many of you are right and wenger has gone stale and the disease has set in at the club, its something i think needs addressing in the summer.
Anyway, does anyone know the thread about the man citah trouble at the ground? being in the upper tier i had a good view but would appreciate some knowledge into what happened as we saw a steward being dragged out and plenty of fans being chucked out??
Clichy must be the reason why Song couldn't tackle, we all know if he was there he would have stopped Micah(that must be why everyone is on his back) but must he carry the blame from a DM who cant defend
GunnerDude wrote:Clichy must be the reason why Song couldn't tackle, we all know if he was there he would have stopped Micah(that must be why everyone is on his back) but must he carry the blame from a DM who cant defend
the message it sends out to song and denilson if a new DM is signed, is your shite and not fit to wear the shirt. song has improved but is still way short of the required standard. its a disgrace that this club has been allowed to become what it has, a selling club with averge players who are vastly overpaid. this is down to the manager and board going stale,
things need to change upstairs and in the dugout before things change on the pitch and im afraid we must all resign ourselves to this fact.
Clichy for me has always been overrated. hes decent but not top notch. he gets forward but offers little offensively, as he doesnt score and cant cross. hes defensively naive and prone to making massive errors (birmingham away/spurs at home) and i think his role in the defence is one of our problems, he is nowhere near as good as cashley. i would give gibbs a long run in the side.
Wenger has said judge me this season (im sure hes said it past few seasons to) but as i've always said he's had his day, been great in the past, but without properly challenging for soon to be 5 years at a club of our size is simply not good enough and we're soon reaching the nadir no challenge this year, and when we miss out on the CL at end of season, AW goodbye hopefully. Come season end that will he be judged, or are we to put up with the same crap from him every year now. i hope he doesnt renew his contract and that sausage fingers buys us ASAP.
if big things dont happen next summer i guarantee AA and Cesc will be off and possible RVP, but who can blame them.
the playing mantis wrote:lots of bodies in cm but no quality bar cesc.
the message it sends out to song and denilson if a new DM is signed, is your shite and not fit to wear the shirt. song has improved but is still way short of the required standard. its a disgrace that this club has been allowed to become what it has, a selling club with averge players who are vastly overpaid. this is down to the manager and board going stale,
things need to change upstairs and in the dugout before things change on the pitch and im afraid we must all resign ourselves to this fact.
Clichy for me has always been overrated. hes decent but not top notch. he gets forward but offers little offensively, as he doesnt score and cant cross. hes defensively naive and prone to making massive errors (birmingham away/spurs at home) and i think his role in the defence is one of our problems, he is nowhere near as good as cashley. i would give gibbs a long run in the side.
Wenger has said judge me this season (im sure hes said it past few seasons to) but as i've always said he's had his day, been great in the past, but without properly challenging for soon to be 5 years at a club of our size is simply not good enough and we're soon reaching the nadir no challenge this year, and when we miss out on the CL at end of season, AW goodbye hopefully. Come season end that will he be judged, or are we to put up with the same crap from him every year now. i hope he doesnt renew his contract and that sausage fingers buys us ASAP.
if big things dont happen next summer i guarantee AA and Cesc will be off and possible RVP, but who can blame them.
Id suggest that Cesc has been well below par for over a year now - nothing to do with "not having the players beside him" either - his passing has been poor, the goals have dried up and is often the guilty party in giving away posession.
redladygooner wrote:We have 4 world class players, Arshavin,Fabregas,RvP,Rosicky, the rest are not good enough.
I consider Fabregas, Arshavin and Gallas as world class.
Vermaelen, van Persie, Rosicky, Nasri behind those 3 and good enough for Arsenal.
The rest is mostly mediocrity, to some extent even shit (you know the names).
Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:
we cant get anyone else in till January now regardless, so we have to support what we have - it was a poor result, we move on to the next one - there is a long way to go yet.
I don´t think Wenger will sign a player of significant substance in January.
He stands pat.
We all knew that when some of our blinded rose tinters put up a ridiculous thread saying how wrong us realists were after just two fcuking games (against shit opposition too) that this response was going to be just around the corner 
I simply cannot understand how that useless plank diaby can be (a) picked to start any fcuking game & (b) not be subbed in a game where he is absolute shit 
I dont care how green ramsey is cos if he isnt as good or better than diaby then he has no place being at our club - give the kid a run of games (and vela too) and hey maybe the results wont be a lot better but these players listed above have had their chance and failed to take it so maybe it is time to give the likes of ramsey and vela a run of games to see if they can do better
(you know the names).
