Emmanuel Eboue

[Radford149]

Not just about his footballing ability, but also his character.

In my opinion he has at times been a disgrace in the Arsenal shirt.

Radford says SPOT ON

[Number 5]

I concur with Swale here. Eboue has knuckled down and put in some good to exceptional performances since the disgraceful way he was treated by some fans last year.

In my opinion it shows bollocks to come back and play the way he has. Admittedly he still dives and 'lives on the edge' but many players in Arsenal's history have done those things and the fans turn a blind eye (Pires diving, Bergkamp elbowing, Wright two footing) because they are 'world class'! The simple fact is Eboue is a decent footballer, like Diaby, like Bendtner, like Denilson but there is this trend in the modern game to label people 'shit' or 'world class' especially, it seems by our fans. If your deemed 'world class' you can get away with these traits because 'that's what makes them great' but if you're just a normal player you become a scapegoat!

The simple fact is when your building a side the way Wenger is you're not going to have 11 world class players. You need players Like Eboue as they are characters, they will player wherever they're asked without moaning and they will try. So you might not like him (he probably doesn't like you!) but he is an Arsenal player and should get have our support.

Eboue . . . take a bow son!

Excellent post, especially the part about people labelling players world class or shit...that happens all too often

Even in my sunday team, we turn up to play and someone will say, their number 10 is world class, or their defenders are complete shit...when in actual fact, they are both probably alright, but ones slightly better!

Gentlemen, let me ask you something. Well alright let me tell you something.

Would you qualify Lee Dixon as world class? I wouldn't. The man was competent, worked hard and was a lesser gog in the team. Much like Eboue is now. But he could defend. He had a basic awareness of where to be on the pitch and when to be there. I accept he had three better colleagues around him and a truely top class goalkeeper but by having the correct defensive attributes he will always be recalled highly by Arsenal fans as one of the better defensive players we've had. Eboue won't reach those highs as he lacks the most basic requirements for his position.

[g88ner]

I personally think he should be given a little run at full back

You want Eboue instead of Sagna?? hmm... not sure about that.

I think Sagna is a class above Eboue as a defender, and call me old fashioned, but that's what I like my fullbacks to excel in.... defending. Especially at Arsenal, where defending properly isn't given the respect it deserves!

Ok, against shite like Wigan or Olympiakos, I'm sure Eboue (or even Wilshere) could "do a job" at right back, but against Chelsea, ManUre, Barca etc. I want dependable defenders, and I'd trust Sagna over Eboue, without a doubt!

Sagna is an outstanding defender, and I really am perplexed that someone who watches Arsenal on a weekly (or regular) basis would want to see Sagna dropped for Eboue

Finally, I think team selection should be based on quality and not favouritism, and I'm not sure your affection toward Eboue is good enough reason to drop one of the best defensive right backs in World football just so you can find a place for Eboue.

Right, ive finished now, you can tell me im mad if you want?

No need, fella. I'm not sure even you believe what you've just written, and if put to the test, I think you would rather sell Eboue tomorrow than Sagna.... although, no doubt you'll say otherwise

Finally, I agree that Eboue deserves a lot of credit for overcoming a difficult period and getting his head down and improving. Fair play to the lad, and I hope he stays at the club... but as a squad player, and nothing more

There.... King Solomon has spoken

[BT]

A little off topic but to avoid the wrath of Chippy....

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Ca ... 76265.html

[quote]Arsene Wenger is like a “dad“ and not a godfather to his young players, Emmanuel Eboue has revealed.

The Arsenal manager, who turns 60 this month, celebrates his 13th anniversary at the North London club today.

The Frenchman has won three Premier League titles, four FA Cups and achieved the incredible feat of going the entire season unbeaten with his Invincibles in 2003-04.

He is the most successful manager in Arsenal history and the longest-serving boss in the Premier League after Sir Alex Ferguson.

But Eboue, who has returned to form after getting abuse from his own fans last season, reckons Wenger’s biggest achievement is the careful way he treats his multi-national stars.

“He is like our dad,â€

[Radford149]

You need players Like Eboue as they are characters, they will player wherever they're asked without moaning and they will try.

the above post is so bad in Radford's opinion it's unreal. you need good players when building a team not "characters" or people that make you laugh.

paul scholes - miserable *word censored* but a good player

eboue - happy chappy makes people laugh but a shit player

you choose

[LeGinge (Northern Branch)]

I think distinguishing between 'world class' and 'dross' is pretty simple for most fans. My issue is that there is a whole bunch of players that are considered 'shit' because they are not considered 'world class'

The fact that Fiorentina was willing pay £7m for Eboue in the summer and Milan £15m for Bendtner when he was 19 suggests these players aren't shit. Or maybe those sides have 'shit' managers . . .

[Radford149]

[quote="LeGinge (Northern Branch)"]I concur with Swale here. Eboue has knuckled down and put in some good to exceptional performances since the disgraceful way he was treated by some fans last year.
[quote]

Radford cannot belive this part as well......exceptional performances....you are having a laugh. Radford has seen every game bar the carling cup for years and since the boo game the village idiot has not on one single occasion been exceptional. sorry mate you are well wide of the mark

[Number 5]

ok, but if that is true than gael clichy is not a very good fullback. he is only good, not excellent, at defending. that sort of concept of defend-first fullbacks is what makes people play centrebacks as fullbacks and i fucking hate when people do that.

you probably will never agree with me (and fabregas and half of the arsenal team) then that roberto carlos and cafu were the best fullbacks of the latest few 10-20 years. both brilliant attacking, and only good defending (except cafu, who still wasn't excellent).

i think fullbacks have to be good defending, good attacking, and have insane stamina, pace and positioning. that's what makes a good fullback imo.

Yes, Clichy is being found out as a limited full back. The boy has made a fair few errors.

Yes I want a full back who can do everything you say but the first requirement has to be the defensive side of his game.

I would say the best full back in the last 20 years is actually Maldini. And his biggest attribute was on the defensive side of the game. Yes he got down the flank and all the but no *word censored* got down that right flank when he was about. He shits all over Carlos and Cafu for my money, from a great height.

I'd even give you Gary Neville as a PL player over the last 15 years who'd be near the top of the list due to his abilities when he doesn't have the ball.

[Radford149]

I think distinguishing between 'world class' and 'dross' is pretty simple for most fans. My issue is that there is a whole bunch of players that are considered 'shit' because they are not considered 'world class'

The fact that Fiorentina was willing pay £7m for Eboue in the summer and Milan £15m for Bendtner when he was 19 suggests these players aren't shit. Or maybe those sides have 'shit' managers . . .

Radford can tell you the fact is fiorentina DID NOT PAY that sum and did not buy him and that says it all

[brazilianGOONER]

ok, but if that is true than gael clichy is not a very good fullback. he is only good, not excellent, at defending. that sort of concept of defend-first fullbacks is what makes people play centrebacks as fullbacks and i fucking hate when people do that.

you probably will never agree with me (and fabregas and half of the arsenal team) then that roberto carlos and cafu were the best fullbacks of the latest few 10-20 years. both brilliant attacking, and only good defending (except cafu, who still wasn't excellent).

i think fullbacks have to be good defending, good attacking, and have insane stamina, pace and positioning. that's what makes a good fullback imo.

Yes, Clichy is being found out as a limited full back. The boy has made a fair few errors.

Yes I want a full back who can do everything you say but the first requirement has to be the defensive side of his game.

I would say the best full back in the last 20 years is actually Maldini. And his biggest attribute was on the defensive side of the game. Yes he got down the flank and all the but no c**t got down that right flank when he was about. He shits all over Carlos and Cafu for my money, from a great height.

I'd even give you Gary Neville as a PL player over the last 15 years who'd be near the top of the list due to his abilities when he doesn't have the ball.

gary neville.

gary neville?

dude, we really disagree when it comes to fullbacks.

[Eboue-Why?]

On the plus side, I respect him for coming back from last season's treatment.

Apart from that, the only thing I think, and I'll repeat that, I think I like about him is that coming on late in a game he has got that bit of pace that can take out a couple of players and turn defence into attack quickly. But as soon as he gets into the final third he's a headless chicken. And the fact he's headless means he has no footballing brain.

Of course he's not shit but as my name suggests.......WHY? Why is he still regarded as being good enough to be one of the top 15 players at this club and receiving a huge weekly salary? Until the day I die, I won't understand it. Never have and never will boo an Arsenal player but........Eboue-why?

[Number 5]

gary neville.

gary neville?

dude, we really disagree when it comes to fullbacks.

I'm telling you man. Think back to Euro 96. He was pretty damn good around that time.

[LeGinge (Northern Branch)]

Sorry Radford, I thought his performance on Tuesday was exceptional. Granted he isn't the best player in the world but he is a capable player and should be treated as such. I fully accept that you don't agree with that. But I sat there on Tuesday and felt he was one of our better players.

I take the point regarding Lee Dixon but that wasn't the point I was making. Lee Dixon was an exceptional full back (defensively) because he worked hard and the ethos of the side was on a strong defence. Wenger, it appears, doesn't value that side of the game and so Eboue, while playing in the same position, is not the same style of player as Dixon and should not be compared.

The point about full backs being defenders is a good one. I agree whole heartedly but unfortunately, as stated above, I don't think it's the first thing Wenger looks for. And so to fit our style of 'total football' he values the attacking side more.

I agree that a side should be built of good players. I think Eboue is adequate and so wouldn't get in my first eleven but I think he serves a purpose as full back cover. And when Sagna is out of form should be given a go if nothing more than to Sagna the proverbial kick up the . .

[DERRY GOONER]

cast ure minds back to the man city game a few weeks back. our great no.27 came on for the last 15 - 20 mins, and in that time, he managed to kick mid air when trying to kick the ball, get skinned by adebayer (yes adebayor) play city onside for 1 of their goals, play an easy pass to a city player. he was also at fault for the pen in belgium when he gave the ball away in midfield. thats just of the top of my head. also a professional footballer should be able to use his bad foot in some capacity, this clown can not use it AT ALL. had to laugh when i read eboue loves the club, of course he does. their giving him £40k a week (or thereabouts) when hes not worth £5k a week. i was at that wigan game, and believe me i was 1 of those who booed the fecker off the pitch. i WILL NOT applaud him, chant his name, cheer if he manages to score, cause he is a *word censored*, of the highest order. i do agree hes not completly shit. hed do a jo for hull, wigan, or stoke, clubs of his standard.

[brazilianGOONER]

gary neville.

gary neville?

dude, we really disagree when it comes to fullbacks.

I'm telling you man. Think back to Euro 96. He was pretty damn good around that time.

i guess you're right. it is actually down to football culture. gary neville wouldn't make it at my amateur team here in brazil, but that's because you're not a proper fullback in brazil (the 'lateral' like we call it) if you can't attack well and cross well the ball. you'll never see a defensive midfielder playing as fullback in brazil (like flamini, song, and so many others in the premiership) because they cannot attack properly. again, that's football culture - the minute i started watching english football i realised that fullbacks had a very different job in england and brazil.

you definettly would never agree with me that daniel alves is the best fullback in the world right now, heh?