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Swale_Gooner1985 · Post by **Swale_Gooner1985** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:40 pm

augie wrote:But number 5 swale did fcuk off for a long time but doubtless that is our fault too As rebel has already I said it cant be that he is always right and that the majority are wrong and yet he has the cheek to call us tossers

When did i fuck off for a long time? think you should check your facts out pal, if it were up to you every post on here would be slagging Arsenal off, its only right somebody sticks up for them isnt it?

and cheers for the support Number 5, always knew u were a goodun!

Post by **I Hate Hleb** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:48 pm

I'd normally be angry as hell by our capitulation but I saw it coming the minute Alan Smith said we were comfortable and the players took it upon themselves to start show-boating/getting lazy in the second half.

The fact that I can no longer be bothered to get angry and actually expect the opposition to score is in itself an indictment of this team and the manager.

Yes Arshavin was by his standards poor and lazy; yes Cesc had a quiet and less than influential game; I accept that the free-kick for their first goal was harsh. However, the fact remains that playing the likes of Diaby and Eboue will mean we will always be weaker than we might otherwise be because they simply don't contribute enough if barely at all!!

As for the goal-keeper: I remember firing a warning shot after all the praise Mannone was getting for the Fulham performance. I wrote at the time that he was fortunate with a couple of his saves because he parried them back into dangerous areas rather than away from goal. I saw this guy on loan a couple of years ago and in the reserves last season and always felt that he wasn't good enough. We talk often of RVP's chocolate leg but Mannone has chocolate wrists!!

Problem is - who do we play now? I'm not a fan of Almunia's for the fact that he's not commanding enough and rarely makes the difficult saves that wins you games. I see potential in Fabianski but accept that because of the high-profile errors he has made - partly due, in my opinion, to being thrown in at the deep end with little actual match practise - the majority of gooners don't have faith in him.

Given that we can't sign anyone until January - if Wenger decides to get a keeper at all - I therefore wouldn't mind seeing the even younger polish kid (whose name no-one can pronnouce

) given an opportunity. I have also seen him play for the reserves and youth sides a few times and he has always been impressive. He also had a good game when called up to the Carling Cup team.

Okay, he's only 19 and I appreciate that it would be a bit of a risk; but how much more of one than we already take when selecting one of the clowns currently battling for the goalkeeping shirt?

Failing that, I think gooners have to accept that if we are going to win anything this season, then we're going to have to be reliant on us constantly out-scoring teams - which is almost impossible to always do - and more than a far share of good fortune. Alas, it's not a scenerio that I can pin too much hope on.

Oh, one more thing: can the away lads please refrain from singing the 'You might as well go home' song unless we're 4 or 5 up with 10 minutes to play!!

You can't sing those lyrics with this current team like we did with the previous mob, as it will more than likely end up slapping you on the face!!

GunnerDude · Post by **GunnerDude** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:56 pm

Hope our players were watching Barca play to the last min against a weak side.

Number 5 · Post by **Number 5** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:03 pm

I Hate Hleb wrote: Given that we can't sign anyone until January

Freudian slip there IHH?

Post by **I Hate Hleb** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:04 pm

Swear to God that I thought of the Irish goalkeeper when writing the word!!

rigsby · Post by **rigsby** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:13 pm

Not signing Given at the ridiculously low price of 6 million has to rate as one of wengers most glaring mistakes

harryo63 · Post by **harryo63** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:17 pm

DanielD wrote:I think that one of the only positives from today's match is the lesson we'll learn from it. If we go two up in our next match, it's a pretty safe bet we'll push for a third and a fourth. Why we didn't do that today and on thuesday night? It was down to complacency and arrogance, that has not been there at the start of the season.

We ate some humble pie today, and I think it's the best recipe to get us back on the horse.

sure its happened time and again over the last couple of years. this team will neverlearn.thats why they have and never will win fuck all

harryo63 · Post by **harryo63** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:19 pm

Lethal wrote:no bottle
the players are losers and wenger has become one

the minute they got the first it was obvious what was going to happen,even the fucking idiot realstics like swale can see that

they wont win fuck

got it in one

augie · Post by **augie** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:26 pm

Swale_Gooner1985 wrote:
augie wrote:But number 5 swale did fcuk off for a long time but doubtless that is our fault too As rebel has already I said it cant be that he is always right and that the majority are wrong and yet he has the cheek to call us tossers
When did i fuck off for a long time? think you should check your facts out pal, if it were up to you every post on here would be slagging Arsenal off, its only right somebody sticks up for them isnt it?

and cheers for the support Number 5, always knew u were a goodun!

Ok a long while might be an exageration but you certainly aint on here as much as you used to be (not that I am complaining mind

). Anyway I think that cos of my negative/realist image a lot of the positive stuff that I post gets overlooked so no I dont want everybody on here slagging Arsenal off. I will stand up for mannone today for example cos he is a rookie kid with fcuk all experience and should get more leeway than his team-mates that all have a shit load of international experience and still cant do their basic jobs right

TV5 & gallas have been much lauded by Gooners all season but we rarely look capable of keeping a clean sheet. I know that defending is a team effort but today carlton cole, a chav reserve, bullied the two of them around like they were rookies

If senderos had of been physically bullied like that by cole a shit load of fans would be stoning the guy to death by now

I have said it before but the goals these two guys have scored have masked their weaknesses at defending

Cesc, clichy, aa23 (all players I like) wanted to look pretty on the ball but continually stood off the opposition to the point that it looked like they were scared and it was embarrassing

tinpot lane · Post by **tinpot lane** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:31 pm

augie wrote:
Swale_Gooner1985 wrote:
augie wrote:But number 5 swale did fcuk off for a long time but doubtless that is our fault too As rebel has already I said it cant be that he is always right and that the majority are wrong and yet he has the cheek to call us tossers
When did i fuck off for a long time? think you should check your facts out pal, if it were up to you every post on here would be slagging Arsenal off, its only right somebody sticks up for them isnt it?

and cheers for the support Number 5, always knew u were a goodun!

Ok a long while might be an exageration but you certainly aint on here as much as you used to be (not that I am complaining mind ). Anyway I think that cos of my negative/realist image a lot of the positive stuff that I post gets overlooked so no I dont want everybody on here slagging Arsenal off. I will stand up for mannone today for example cos he is a rookie kid with fcuk all experience and should get more leeway than his team-mates that all have a shit load of international experience and still cant do their basic jobs right

TV5 & gallas have been much lauded by Gooners all season but we rarely look capable of keeping a clean sheet. I know that defending is a team effort but today carlton cole, a chav reserve, bullied the two of them around like they were rookies If senderos had of been physically bullied like that by cole a shit load of fans would be stoning the guy to death by now I have said it before but the goals these two guys have scored have masked their weaknesses at defending

Cesc, clichy, aa23 (all players I like) wanted to look pretty on the ball but continually stood off the opposition to the point that it looked like they were scared and it was embarrassing

Sorry but i fault Gallas and Vermaelen played really well today. In fact i fault Vermaelen was our best player by some distance.

rigsby · Post by **rigsby** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:35 pm

And Carlton Cole is a very good player, make no mistake about that. That boy has all the attributes to be one of the best strikers in england. I wish we had a strong striker who could hold the ball up.

augie · Post by **augie** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:01 am

How can we claim that our centre backs played well and at the same time say that cole played well and was a constant threat ??

Surely it is the job on the centre backs to nullify the centre forward and ensure that he is no threat ? At times we all, and I include myself here, try to give credit to players and defend certain players when really and truely it aint warranted and yesterdays game was an example of that and as I said last night, if that was senderos playing yesterday a load of people would be on here slating big phil over it

Mikegooner87i · Post by **Mikegooner87i** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:10 am

What a load of shit that was! Problem is i think the mojority of us knew something like that would happen as soon as the second half kicked off.

The more i see diaby play the more i know he will never be good enough, the good thing is though, Nasri was on the bench, so hopefully when he is fit, diaby should not be starting!

Spuds up next.... and you know what for the first time in a long time, im fucking worried!

Bendtners Drinking Buddy · Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:28 am

[quote="rigsby"]Lets not over react here (a lot to ask for some forum members I know) We're still in a pretty good position in the league, and a draw away in a london derby is hardly a catastrophe.

For me it comes down to a few things that needs addressing. Firstly CONCENTRATION. It goes out of the window at times, we never seemed to be switched on, only Clichy today played well at the back imo as he was quickest to react to the Hinse chance. More players need to be like that.

The Goalkeeper: Mannone will one day be a good keeper, but we're a side with title ambitions, can you imagine any other top team in the country trying to go for the title with a 3rd choice 21 year old? He's made mistakes, but he always will, I don't blame him, I blame the situation. Since Lehman Wenger hasn't had a decent keeper, SIGN SOMEONE!

I knew it was going to happen, we've seen this happen so many times (even when we were winning things). The only person who can't see it is Wenger. Make a sub when your 2-nil up, not at 2-2 in the 87th minute. It makes no sense. Whenever we conceed we look like falling apart, this has to be addressed, I thought they would have learnt from spurs but obv. not.

At the end of the day though its a draw, the first one this season, I'll put it down to us having a bit of a bad
Completely agree with all of that!!

I can see the logic starting Eboue up top in a tight game, but when we are 2 nil up with Bendtner and Eduardo on the bench, why not stick them on to give West Ham something to think about? Ram home that advantage!

I thought Diaby was ok today to be honest, one of his better games, Song was absolutely fine so I dont see why people are on to him again.

At the end of the day, its annoying, but 5 off the top with a game in hand isnt really a bad situation in October is it? Swale is right when he points to the overreaction on here, some people probably had little passages written out especially for when we lost / dropped points!

All about the Carling Cup and then shutting up a few jumped up little spuds now!!!

Bendtners Drinking Buddy · Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:30 am

harryo63 wrote:
Lethal wrote:no bottle
the players are losers and wenger has become one

the minute they got the first it was obvious what was going to happen,even the fucking idiot realstics like swale can see that

they wont win fuck
got it in one

What a rubbish post, probably one of the worst ive read on here!

Its football mate, I bet you were celebrating like a madman when we spanked 6 past Blackburn? We will not win every game in a season and every team will lose / drop points.

Its annoying, but it doesnt make the team "losers" really does it?