Ok lads which one of us is Abou Diaby?SteveO 35 wrote:Can't the same thing be said of Song or Eboue ? I'm just sick to the back teeth of Diaby slating on here. Last season Bendtner and Eboue had to put up with it and now there seems to be a campaign to wreck one of our most creative midfielders.
Newcastle away last season. Diaby won us the game!Galasso wrote:Let's turn that around then. When has Diaby actually won us a game? When has he been so outstanding that he clearly made the difference in the game?SteveO 35 wrote:Yawn - Diaby really was to blame against West Ham wasn't he ? Nothing to do with the lazy Arshavin or another Mannone blunder.
Let's send for Ramsey instead eh ? He's been explosive every time he's set foot on the field.....
I'm not anti-Diaby, because I see a good footballer. But until the constant mistakes end and the whole list of problems continue, then he deserves some taking to task. He needs to perform consistently at an above average level - because he hasn't done that yet (I know he hasn't had a run), but when he gets his chances then he's got to better.
If you already have someone like Arshavin who has hit some extraordinary heights (with us and previously), then it's easier to give a bit of leeway, knowing that it is there.
As I said before when vela gets a long run of starts, and indeed full games, as diaby has got then and only then would it be fair to judge him. You slate vela and ramsey and refer to games against championship sides but hold up diabys best games against shit teams that are no better.
OK - firstly I think his correct position is in an advanced central midfield role and therein lies the problem. We have an outstanding one in Fabregas and a number of other players like Nasri and Arshavin that probably see that as their rightful place too. I agree he is not a CDM and the guy himself continually tries to argue this. He is NOT Patrick Vieira and will never have the game to be, but when we signed him not long after PV4 left us the comparisons were all too easily made (based on physical appearance and us craving the new PV4).augie wrote:Steve o what is diaby's correct position then ? I mean I agree with you 100% with ye that wenger fcuked him about playing him on the wing but aside from that I cannot see a position for him anyway. Is he a DM ? Given his inability to tackle correctly then that is a def no-no. Is he an attacking central midfielder ? Again given his total inability to maintain possession for the team, to release the ball at the right time and to not fcuk about with it in dangerous defensive areas then that too must be a no so what the fcuk is he ?
It is long accepted that it is not easy coming into any game as a sub but yet you feel that is a fair position to judge vela. Not alone is it tough for any sub but it is especially hard for our subs cos the most you will ever get is 15mins cos of wengers refusal to make changes early
Regardless of where a player plays he needs to show that he has the intelligence and mentality to play at this level and no matter what you say steve, diaby does not have it
I'm so glad that you can see it too mate - blindingly fucking obvious. And how often does he get to play there - hardly ever i.e. when Cesc is crocked. When he does play there he looks class.Gunnersaurus wrote:I think his natural position is where Cesc is playing now, Cesc is fit and playing so there is no reason to shoe horn him in anywhere else so that he can play crap in another position.
If Cesc is playing and that's his position then put him on the bench or replace Cesc.
Spot on, Diaby played in Cesc's role away to Newcastle last year and ran the game.SteveO 35 wrote:Completely agree - he has also played Diaby out of position for 2 years before this season. I don't blame fans for getting angry BTW - I was actually on here last year defending people's rights to get angry with the team at games. However, there seems to be a one track slagging of Diaby on here, which in my view is way over the top and he is a scapegoat of people's frsutrations. There's no way he was out worst player at West Ham - it's just become the latest fad to blindly slag the kidGunnersaurus wrote:The problem with Diaby Steve is that the outstanding games are few and far between.
I feel sorry for the guy tbh, he is getting flack and he will continue to do so as did Eboue, Adebayor and Bendtner but for me the manager is responsible for it because he continues to pick them regardless of if they play well or not.
The squad is almost back to fitness now, there is no excuses to carry players who are not performing, if players play without fear of losing their place and play crap then you can not blame some fans for getting annoyed by it.
It's typical Wenger though, I am a Wenger man but this side of him winds me up, Bendtner is 6ft 4, play him in the middle, why play him wide where people and I imagine he is getting frustrated, same as with Eboue, as a right back he's looked like a decent player, anywhere else and he looks hit and miss, Walcott, he looks destroyed, he can't beat a player with a trick or cross a ball so he plays him out wide, he is a good little finisher but does he give him half a chance to develop in that role?SteveO 35 wrote:I'm so glad that you can see it too mate - blindingly fucking obvious. And how often does he get to play there - hardly ever i.e. when Cesc is crocked. When he does play there he looks class.Gunnersaurus wrote:I think his natural position is where Cesc is playing now, Cesc is fit and playing so there is no reason to shoe horn him in anywhere else so that he can play crap in another position.
If Cesc is playing and that's his position then put him on the bench or replace Cesc.
Still lets sit back and listen to the uninformed trying to wonder why he can't play in the Vieira or Flamini role
Gunnersaurus wrote:It's typical Wenger though, I am a Wenger man but this side of him winds me up, Bendtner is 6ft 4, play him in the middle, why play him wide where people and I imagine he is getting frustrated, same as with Eboue, as a right back he's looked like a decent player, anywhere else and he looks hit and miss, Walcott, he looks destroyed, he can't beat a player with a trick or cross a ball so he plays him out wide, he is a good little finisher but does he give him half a chance to develop in that role?SteveO 35 wrote:I'm so glad that you can see it too mate - blindingly fucking obvious. And how often does he get to play there - hardly ever i.e. when Cesc is crocked. When he does play there he looks class.Gunnersaurus wrote:I think his natural position is where Cesc is playing now, Cesc is fit and playing so there is no reason to shoe horn him in anywhere else so that he can play crap in another position.
If Cesc is playing and that's his position then put him on the bench or replace Cesc.
Still lets sit back and listen to the uninformed trying to wonder why he can't play in the Vieira or Flamini role
To me he has his favs and he is responsible for the flack more then anything, when people wrongly booed Eboue last season he probably didn't even think as to why they were booing or to his part in it.
