Kroenke moves closer

[Jumpers For Goalposts]

Nobody, apart from Silent Stanley himself knows what his true motives are.

* Does he see Arsenal simply as a way to make even more money?
* Does he see himself as our sole owner and benefactor?
* Does he have the cash to bid for the remaining shares?
* If not - could he raise the finance to bid for the remaining shares?
* And - do we want our Club to take on such a massive debt??

A couple of people have said that Lady Nina will never sell her shares to Kroenke but lets be honest - money talks all languages and if £50 million is waved under someone's nose, bygones can bloody well be bygones.

My guess is that if Kroenke had the money he would have already bought her shares. And that means that a Kroenke takeover will be debt financed - something I never want to see.

I agree totally with Augie though - for f**k's sake can the Board sort this out once and for all so Gooners know exactly where we stand!

[flash gunner]

Any chance of you explaining it in laymans terms like you did last week IU4GN?

Personally if he is going to buy the club wish he would fucking hurry up

Confucius say “Some jelly bean... bad. All jelly bean... good. Man with little jelly bean want man with big jelly bean to buy medium jelly bean from Mr Medium Jelly Bean Man so together they have all jelly bean. Man with medium jelly bean say no.â€

[mightywrighty]

i think it would be great for us if this takeover happened.

how and why?

surely not based on the evidence of other takeovers in the Premiership?

Best we can hope for is nothing changes.

Kroenke, if he takes over, won't be like Abramovich at Chelsea, or the Arabs at City. There's no way he'll throw £200m at the side every summer, just for amusement.

He'll be more like The Glazers or Hicks/Gilette... if he gives money to invest, it will be from the club's coffers. Potentially, we'll be pretty much debt-free in a few seasons, and we'll have more cash to splash.

I don't see Kroenke as being at all like Hicks & Gillette or the Glazers.
He owns a few Sports Franchises in the US. These he runs much the same as The Arsenal is now run. He is frugal, yet does like to field a competitive side.

[rigsby]

He wont take it over, its just him buying up the shares he can. He's on the board, he's the majority shareholder, he can pump money in if he wants to, so I see no reason for him to go for complete control

[Number 5]

I don't see Kroenke as being at all like Hicks & Gillette or the Glazers.
He owns a few Sports Franchises in the US. These he runs much the same as The Arsenal is now run. He is frugal, yet does like to field a competitive side.

I take it you don't watch much NFL mate?

The St Louis Rams are fucking awful. Worst team in the league. By a long long long way.

[xDAVEYx]

they've got one more win than the glazers' buccaneers...

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

Is American sport easy to make a comparison with though? Don’t they generally have wage caps & a draft pick system which gives the worst performing team 1st pick each year & so on? All of which a) makes clubs more financially stable by keeping them living within their means & b) means season to season the best/worst teams often fluctuate & keeps each championship from being only winnable by a select 3 or 4 teams, unlike the PL.

Not to mention in most cases the clubs themselves are essentially just franchises of whichever umbrella organisation - NFL, NBA etc.

All that being the case, how much can we really read into how Kroenke’s American teams do, either on or off the field?

I follow NFL but I’m no groupie unlike #5 or augie so I should probably qualify this with the usual disclaimer of I know fuck all about these things really.

[xDAVEYx]

Is American sport easy to make a comparison with though? Don’t they generally have wage caps & a draft pick system which gives the worst performing team 1st pick each year & so on? All of which a) makes clubs more financially stable by keeping them living within their means & b) means season to season the best/worst teams often fluctuate & keeps each championship from being only winnable by a select 3 or 4 teams, unlike the PL

crucially though, the franchises dont have to MEET the wage cap and most dont, cutting costs and and costing less.

mind you im not THAT into it either

[tomkingsbury]

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/1 ... ld-beaters

im seriously loving your avatar!!

anyway, i reckon he is on the verge to stop any threat that corrupt uzbeki usmanov has of launching a takeover, so if he does he can then counter it and launch his own takeover, then they can have a sword fight with their little policemen and spunk all over each other and then fall out of lvoe and then our board can have its version of its own cold war within the club

[Number 5]

Is American sport easy to make a comparison with though? Don’t they generally have wage caps & a draft pick system which gives the worst performing team 1st pick each year & so on? All of which a) makes clubs more financially stable by keeping them living within their means & b) means season to season the best/worst teams often fluctuate & keeps each championship from being only winnable by a select 3 or 4 teams, unlike the PL.

Not to mention in most cases the clubs themselves are essentially just franchises of whichever umbrella organisation - NFL, NBA etc.

All that being the case, how much can we really read into how Kroenke’s American teams do, either on or off the field?

I follow NFL but I’m no groupie unlike #5 or augie so I should probably qualify this with the usual disclaimer of I know fuck all about these things really.

That’s a fair-ish shout bro.

Possibly next year the NFL is looking at an uncapped salary year unless an agreement can be reached so mucho opportunity coming for a Chelsea type team to emerge. Probably Dallas or Washington. Good things about NFL to me are that contracts are not guaranteed, you get a signing bonus, the rest of your salary is heavily performance linked and if you go to dog shit teams can cut you without having to honour a penny of your remaining deal. All teams have an equal distribution of merchandise so no matter who sells the most shirts etc it gets split 32 ways. Teams are better off financially as they generally don’t have massive stadium debts. As in the Glazer case they get the city to build them or threaten to move the team.

Whilst being the worst team gives you the first pick of the best college players it is quite unusual for these players to become elite right away. It can take a few seasons for them to develop and rise to the top of their positions. This is most evident at the Quaterback position. Although there are exceptions. Matt Ryan last year and possibly also Joe Flacco.

The better teams are usually the ones who draft well down in the lower rounds and who pick up free agents waived by other teams. However each year you are generally looking at New England, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis and Baltimore from the AFC and New York, Philadelphia and Dallas from the NFC as the main favourites. In fact of the last 8 Superbowls 5 have been won by New England and Pittsburgh combined. Not too dis-similar to the PL. The cycle of top teams changes every decade but you are mainly going to find that come the start of each season only 4 or 5 teams have a truly realistic shout at winning their own Championship or the Superbowl.

But overridingly as in the PL some teams are just run very very badly. From the owners to the coaching staff. They make bad decisions, sign awful players paying huge sums to do so. There are a few owners who try to run the team. I’ve seen film of the Dallas owner giving team talks. The guy at Oakland basically picks the team and fires the manager if he stands up to him. Last week the owner at Tennessee made a big deal about benching the Quaterback and it happened.

There are a probably more similarities than you would think in running an NFL team and a PL team.

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

Nice one #5, could have made it a bit more comprehensive though!

So would you say the way the Rams are run fits in with the current Arsenal approach, or is it more a Glazer-esque operation? Or something else entirely.

Would be odd to say the least if after all this prudence & suffering the consequences by not being competitive the board waited until we were on the way back out of the red just to then suddenly decide to sell up to a man who was gonna have to load us with more debt just to fund buying us in the first place.

[Number 5]

Well he is the co-owner of the Rams isn't he? Along with Chip Rosenbloom.

So perhaps he's looking to double up over here with Usmanov?

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It is also worth mentioning that the Rams went from “The Greatest Show on Turfâ€

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

[quote="Number 5"]Well he is the co-owner of the Rams isn't he? Along with Chip Rosenbloom.

So perhaps he's looking to double up over here with Usmanov?

Edit

It is also worth mentioning that the Rams went from “The Greatest Show on Turfâ€

[Number 5]

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[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

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