IM STARTING TO BELIEVE

[Andrey's Tongue]

Its a funny thought, we spent the whole summer saying Song was a good player and we could have a good season and all we got was abuse!!!

Who knows what will happen, I think we have shown we CAN win it, whether we WILL is a different story - any team needs luck with injuries, suspensions etc (song is one yellow away from missing the Chelsea game for example) and big performances when things are not going smoothly.

But since the vast majority on here thought we would struggle to make top 4 this season and finish about 12th im pleased with how the start has gone, next two games are massive for seeing how far this team has come.

For all those that said Wenger was past it and should leave, i think in one change to the formation and some recent classy signings (TV, Arshavin this year, Nasri last) he has shown that he is by far the best man for the job!

You guys must be so much fun down the Wig and Gown.

I guess you go up to the bar and say "I told you I could drink that beer and I would be up for another"



P.S. If we win the treble, I will buy you guys 1 pint, to share

Oh its the treble now is it.....you've changed your tune!

[Number 5]

Its a funny thought, we spent the whole summer saying Song was a good player and we could have a good season and all we got was abuse!!!

Who knows what will happen, I think we have shown we CAN win it, whether we WILL is a different story - any team needs luck with injuries, suspensions etc (song is one yellow away from missing the Chelsea game for example) and big performances when things are not going smoothly.

But since the vast majority on here thought we would struggle to make top 4 this season and finish about 12th im pleased with how the start has gone, next two games are massive for seeing how far this team has come.

For all those that said Wenger was past it and should leave, i think in one change to the formation and some recent classy signings (TV, Arshavin this year, Nasri last) he has shown that he is by far the best man for the job!

This is the kind of statement that makes it difficult for me to try and keep up a healthy level of debate with you guys. You are always ready to overstate what has gone on before in an attempt to do gods knows what really.

At the end of last season I was firmly in the camp that something drastically needed to be done to halt the slide that appeared so very evident in a multitude of games. I still felt Wenger was the man to correct these faults and thought that any chance of success this year would be directly linked to what he did in the summer. I leaned more to the necessary improvements coming from new signings and sales of poor performers.

What BDB you offhandedly regard as one change to the formation is pretty much the reason for a lot of the doubt slowly being erased from my mind. I hand on heart would say that if we had used the same personal as last season in all the same formations as last season we would have struggled badly at the business end of the competitions this year. The changes Wenger has made in the close season cannot be emphasized enough.
To state the vast majority thought we would struggle to finish 12th again is really just a sweeping generalization. Anyone on here worth reading and who like me couldn’t see an assault on the title as realistic after the season ended in May gave a host of reasons why. Well thought out, reasoned and honest opinions. Valid opinions based on a team that did struggle to finish in the top 4, did get outclassed badly in the CL semi final and did not turn up for an FA Cup Semi final.

The same people who now see a different Arsenal so far this year. Who make their judgements based on what they see week in week out happening on the pitch. Who are ready to admit that so far it looks to have been turned around and that Arsenal cannot be discounted from challenging. So far. I will reserve my judgment in whole for a while longer. We are only 3 and a bit months into the season after all.

[augie]

I was, no correct that, I am one of the doubters regarding this teams ability to mount a sustained title bid. Like Number 5 correctly points out my reasons for this were based on a lack of activity in the transfer window allied to a lack of quality in key positions but even though I did not agree with your confidence I neither abused you nor predicted a 12th place finish.

Anyway I will give credit to the team for their improvement this season although I put that improvement down to 2 main factors - (1) a big change of attitude which has shown up in energy and workrate (2) getting rid of the negativity that the greedycunt brought into the ground on match days helped lift some of the pressure on the players. However unlike some I am still not convinced that we have enough to mount a genuine challenge instead of falling away like we did 2 seasons ago. We still have no quality keeper, we still are weak in back up to TV5 & gallas and even though song is not world class imo we still dont have anybody better or anybody at all when he goes to anc. I still believe that we need to spend money (not huge amounts tho) in jan if we are serious about winning something this season and misplaced loyalty to players like almunia and diaby will not get us over that hump. As I stated earlier in this thread we need to learn to win ugly when we dont play well instead of losing games against both manc teams and dropping stupid points like shammers away and playing two top 4 rivals and losing both games suggests that we are still not where we need to be just yet

[jensenscores]

Lets just say its nice to be having this debate because the team is doing well. I'd much rather this than people coming on here shouting 'I told you so...' becuase things are going badly.

It could still all change, a poor run and we will all start being negative again. As mere fans we just don't know for sure what will happen - we can only hope!!

[Galasso]

Its a funny thought, we spent the whole summer saying Song was a good player and we could have a good season and all we got was abuse!!!

Who knows what will happen, I think we have shown we CAN win it, whether we WILL is a different story - any team needs luck with injuries, suspensions etc (song is one yellow away from missing the Chelsea game for example) and big performances when things are not going smoothly.

But since the vast majority on here thought we would struggle to make top 4 this season and finish about 12th im pleased with how the start has gone, next two games are massive for seeing how far this team has come.

For all those that said Wenger was past it and should leave, i think in one change to the formation and some recent classy signings (TV, Arshavin this year, Nasri last) he has shown that he is by far the best man for the job!

You guys must be so much fun down the Wig and Gown.

I guess you go up to the bar and say "I told you I could drink that beer and I would be up for another"



P.S. If we win the treble, I will buy you guys 1 pint, to share

Oh its the treble now is it.....you've changed your tune!

Was I talking to you? Oh, hang on...

Got a bit of brazilian inside me mate.

[Bendtners Drinking Buddy]

You love us really number 5

What im saying is, we put OUR points across with valid reason as well did we not? Even when we lost a game we had threads titled "rose tinters come out of your hiding places" which again we responded to rationally. Im not at all saying people are not giving the team credit, most are, i was merely playing on the fact some people are changing their opinions which is a good thing - but as others have noticed some are not as quick to give out praise as they are to gove out criticism -wait till we lose our next game, this site will go into meltdown! Go back to threads we had over the summer, some of the things that were said were ludicrous and I believe some peoples overstated opinions are currently being shown up!! Im not really "i told you so" person, but some of the overeactions on here in the summer were crazy.

The 12th statement was clearly in jest pal, but it is true some were saying we didnt have a hope - we just gave the opnion that we thought we would be fine in that respect!! Wenger saw the shortcomings in the team last season and has solved them, maybe some of the players were not ready to take a huge role in the team (Song possbily, certainly Ramsey and Gibbs) as they are now. Moreover, he has got us the CB we could all see we needed, albeit im in the camp we need another one as well!

As ive said, im not saying we WILL win anything, but I think we have the ability to do someting special this season.

I think some people are being proven wrong by this team, who knows what will happen, if one of gthe CBs gets injured we are in trouble and the fitness of VP is key, but all i know is ive bloody enjoyed it so far!!

[Number 5]

Lets just say its nice to be having this debate because the team is doing well. I'd much rather this than people coming on here shouting 'I told you so...' becuase things are going badly.

It could still all change, a poor run and we will all start being negative again. As mere fans we just don't know for sure what will happen - we can only hope!!

There is more of a difference in being negative than saying I told you so. I can’t imagine any of the serious posters would have come on here saying I told you so to the more optimistic posters. The fact is this, if Arsenal are successful they will enjoy it just as much as any other fans and if they are not successful they will be just as gutted as everyone else. Perhaps more so as they don’t have that optimism to shrug a bad defeat off. They won’t feel any great pleasure in crowing about how poor we’ve been.

[SPUDMASHER]

You love us really number 5

What im saying is, we put OUR points across with valid reason as well did we not? Even when we lost a game we had threads titled "rose tinters come out of your hiding places" which again we responded to rationally. Im not at all saying people are not giving the team credit, most are, i was merely playing on the fact some people are changing their opinions which is a good thing - but as others have noticed some are not as quick to give out praise as they are to gove out criticism -wait till we lose our next game, this site will go into meltdown! Go back to threads we had over the summer, some of the things that were said were ludicrous and I believe some peoples overstated opinions are currently being shown up!! Im not really "i told you so" person, but some of the overeactions on here in the summer were crazy.

The 12th statement was clearly in jest pal, but it is true some were saying we didnt have a hope - we just gave the opnion that we thought we would be fine in that respect!! Wenger saw the shortcomings in the team last season and has solved them, maybe some of the players were not ready to take a huge role in the team (Song possbily, certainly Ramsey and Gibbs) as they are now. Moreover, he has got us the CB we could all see we needed, albeit im in the camp we need another one as well!

As ive said, im not saying we WILL win anything, but I think we have the ability to do someting special this season.

I think some people are being proven wrong by this team, who knows what will happen, if one of gthe CBs gets injured we are in trouble and the fitness of VP is key, but all i know is ive bloody enjoyed it so far!!

The "I told you so" threads didn't appear until long after the rose-tinters put up a "Now do you believe" thread immediately following the Everton game
One game into the season and we were all wrong already. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that I cannot recall seeing an out and out "I told you so" thread on here from the realists.

[REB]

we are 5 points off the top

we have lost to 2 of our rivals
while beating none.

im more optimistic now then i was during the summer but i still feel we need more protection from our midfield as we are not keeping enough clean sheets , but i guess the fact we score goals and are more attacking then others would be one of the reasons.

saying all that i still feel we are not as strong as chelsea but we are not far off man u who clearly miss ladyboy while there centre halves seem to have gone backwards in form but we are still better then liverpool and any of the chasing pack ,
so i have a little bit of hope but i wouldnt be a comple rosetinter till maybe may if we were 4 points ahead with one game to go

[SPUDMASHER]

we are 5 points off the top

we have lost to 2 of our rivals
while beating none.

im more optimistic now then i was during the summer but i still feel we need more protection from our midfield as we are not keeping enough clean sheets , but i guess the fact we score goals and are more attacking then others would be one of the reasons.

saying all that i still feel we are not as strong as chelsea but we are not far off man u who clearly miss ladyboy while there centre halves seem to have gone backwards in form but we are still better then liverpool and any of the chasing pack ,
so i have a little bit of hope but i wouldnt be a comple rosetinter till maybe may if we were 4 points ahead with one game to go

I bet augie meldrew would still be moaning then

[REB]

augie never complains

tbf he does post a lot of sense and his heart is in the right place even if it does take half a day to read one of his posts

[Boomer]

we are 5 points off the top

we have lost to 2 of our rivals
while beating none.

im more optimistic now then i was during the summer but i still feel we need more protection from our midfield as we are not keeping enough clean sheets , but i guess the fact we score goals and are more attacking then others would be one of the reasons.

saying all that i still feel we are not as strong as chelsea but we are not far off man u who clearly miss ladyboy while there centre halves seem to have gone backwards in form but we are still better then liverpool and any of the chasing pack ,
so i have a little bit of hope but i wouldnt be a comple rosetinter till maybe may if we were 4 points ahead with one game to go

True but self destucted in both.

Dominating against Man U, Went one up. Diaby thought he'd even it up. Then blondie gave away a penalty.

Then pretty much the same against Citeh.
Also wasn't both without Cesc? Man U was!

[Bendtners Drinking Buddy]

You love us really number 5

What im saying is, we put OUR points across with valid reason as well did we not? Even when we lost a game we had threads titled "rose tinters come out of your hiding places" which again we responded to rationally. Im not at all saying people are not giving the team credit, most are, i was merely playing on the fact some people are changing their opinions which is a good thing - but as others have noticed some are not as quick to give out praise as they are to gove out criticism -wait till we lose our next game, this site will go into meltdown! Go back to threads we had over the summer, some of the things that were said were ludicrous and I believe some peoples overstated opinions are currently being shown up!! Im not really "i told you so" person, but some of the overeactions on here in the summer were crazy.

The 12th statement was clearly in jest pal, but it is true some were saying we didnt have a hope - we just gave the opnion that we thought we would be fine in that respect!! Wenger saw the shortcomings in the team last season and has solved them, maybe some of the players were not ready to take a huge role in the team (Song possbily, certainly Ramsey and Gibbs) as they are now. Moreover, he has got us the CB we could all see we needed, albeit im in the camp we need another one as well!

As ive said, im not saying we WILL win anything, but I think we have the ability to do someting special this season.

I think some people are being proven wrong by this team, who knows what will happen, if one of gthe CBs gets injured we are in trouble and the fitness of VP is key, but all i know is ive bloody enjoyed it so far!!

The "I told you so" threads didn't appear until long after the rose-tinters put up a "Now do you believe" thread immediately following the Everton game
One game into the season and we were all wrong already. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that I cannot recall seeing an out and out "I told you so" thread on here from the realists.

The one that was deleted because the "realists" didnt like it?

Im not trying to get into a debate here and im not saying people are not giving credit, im just saying its a good thing people are getting behind the team a bit more as over the summer there was a lot of overactive nonsense written...i nearly hit the floor when you gave Song mom the other day

[xDAVEYx]

i'll start believing when maths says no one can touch us. until then its just hope... and prayers.... and fate.... and referees...

[donaldo]

BDB

Yes we have had a good start but we had an even better start 2 years ago and in that february we were 6 pts clear and we should have won the title but we blew it.Because Wenger didnt strengthen in the january window

We still need a quality keeper and a back up CH because Senderos and Silvestre are not good enough.If RVP gets injured we have just Eduardo because Bendtner is injured

Now if Wenger does learn from his mistake of not buying in the transfer window 2 years ago we may have a chance of winning the title.But that would mean Wenger spending some money

BDB i hope i am wrong and we do win the league but dont start gloating till we do