IM STARTING TO BELIEVE

[Number 5]

Without wanting to get into a tit for tat spat BDB, I’m sure the first I told you so thread sprung up after the Everton game a mere 90 minutes into the new season. I recall the thread being deleted and even though my opinion was on the other side I encouraged for it not to have been deleted.

It’s going to be how we lose our next game that decides what happens on here. If it comes from silly errors and mistakes yeah there probably will be a backlash. That is fair. Just as it would be fair to have a celebratory atmos after an emphatic win against a good team.

We cannot however get carried away after wins against average teams and certainly not so early in the season. Wenger himself will be stressing this to the players all the time.

I don’t know about the over-reactions in the summer. I would love to have your sunny disposition on all things Arsenal but that CL semi really hurt. We were heavily outclassed and it was really really hard to take for me and I’m sure many others. It was seriously difficult to imagine how the same group of players could mount any type of challenge. Perhaps you are right and many of them weren’t ready then. But it will take more time for others to come round.

[flash gunner]

BDB

Yes we have had a good start but we had an even better start 2 years ago and in that february we were 6 pts clear and we should have won the title but we blew it.Because Wenger didnt strengthen in the january window

We still need a quality keeper and a back up CH because Senderos and Silvestre are not good enough.If RVP gets injured we have just Eduardo because Bendtner is injured

Now if Wenger does learn from his mistake of not buying in the transfer window 2 years ago we may have a chance of winning the title.But that would mean Wenger spending some money

BDB i hope i am wrong and we do win the league but dont start gloating till we do

Good post

[Andrey's Tongue]

BDB

Yes we have had a good start but we had an even better start 2 years ago and in that february we were 6 pts clear and we should have won the title but we blew it.Because Wenger didnt strengthen in the january window

We still need a quality keeper and a back up CH because Senderos and Silvestre are not good enough.If RVP gets injured we have just Eduardo because Bendtner is injured

Now if Wenger does learn from his mistake of not buying in the transfer window 2 years ago we may have a chance of winning the title.But that would mean Wenger spending some money

BDB i hope i am wrong and we do win the league but dont start gloating till we do

To be fair, BDB's post is not saying we WILL win the league but believes we are contenders. This is in response to many people on here writing us off. I don't think anyone actually believes we are nailed on certainties!

[Bendtners Drinking Buddy]

Without wanting to get into a tit for tat spat BDB, I’m sure the first I told you so thread sprung up after the Everton game a mere 90 minutes into the new season. I recall the thread being deleted and even though my opinion was on the other side I encouraged for it not to have been deleted.

It’s going to be how we lose our next game that decides what happens on here. If it comes from silly errors and mistakes yeah there probably will be a backlash. That is fair. Just as it would be fair to have a celebratory atmos after an emphatic win against a good team.

We cannot however get carried away after wins against average teams and certainly not so early in the season. Wenger himself will be stressing this to the players all the time.

I don’t know about the over-reactions in the summer. I would love to have your sunny disposition on all things Arsenal but that CL semi really hurt. We were heavily outclassed and it was really really hard to take for me and I’m sure many others. It was seriously difficult to imagine how the same group of players could mount any type of challenge. Perhaps you are right and many of them weren’t ready then. But it will take more time for others to come round.

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I know what you mean about the CL number 5, i think that was a big wake-up call for Wenger as well.

Donaldo - where exactly am I gloating? Im saying we are contenders, which we are!!

[SPUDMASHER]

You love us really number 5

What im saying is, we put OUR points across with valid reason as well did we not? Even when we lost a game we had threads titled "rose tinters come out of your hiding places" which again we responded to rationally. Im not at all saying people are not giving the team credit, most are, i was merely playing on the fact some people are changing their opinions which is a good thing - but as others have noticed some are not as quick to give out praise as they are to gove out criticism -wait till we lose our next game, this site will go into meltdown! Go back to threads we had over the summer, some of the things that were said were ludicrous and I believe some peoples overstated opinions are currently being shown up!! Im not really "i told you so" person, but some of the overeactions on here in the summer were crazy.

The 12th statement was clearly in jest pal, but it is true some were saying we didnt have a hope - we just gave the opnion that we thought we would be fine in that respect!! Wenger saw the shortcomings in the team last season and has solved them, maybe some of the players were not ready to take a huge role in the team (Song possbily, certainly Ramsey and Gibbs) as they are now. Moreover, he has got us the CB we could all see we needed, albeit im in the camp we need another one as well!

As ive said, im not saying we WILL win anything, but I think we have the ability to do someting special this season.

I think some people are being proven wrong by this team, who knows what will happen, if one of gthe CBs gets injured we are in trouble and the fitness of VP is key, but all i know is ive bloody enjoyed it so far!!

The "I told you so" threads didn't appear until long after the rose-tinters put up a "Now do you believe" thread immediately following the Everton game
One game into the season and we were all wrong already. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that I cannot recall seeing an out and out "I told you so" thread on here from the realists.

The one that was deleted because the "realists" didnt like it?

Im not trying to get into a debate here and im not saying people are not giving credit, im just saying its a good thing people are getting behind the team a bit more as over the summer there was a lot of overactive nonsense written...i nearly hit the floor when you gave Song mom the other day

No, it wasn't deleted. I can only assume it is easier for you to think that than accept it. It's still there, quite a few pages back now though.

I gave Song MOTM because he was. Diaby on the other hand is utter shite still. I call it the way I see it and as things stand I still think we are a bit short of being realistic challengers. I think we'll struggle when we get to the business end of the season. I think that up to now we are better this year than last but still have a long way to go before May.

[Number 5]

No, it wasn't deleted. I can only assume it is easier for you to think that than accept it. It's still there, quite a few pages back now though.

Perhaps there were 2 threads? I'm pretty sure it was IHH that deleted it as he said he'd bring it back if he could when a few of us said we didn't mind.

But then again I was fucking shit faced that night so a million things could have happened that probably didn't.

[Bendtners Drinking Buddy]

Spudmasher : There was a thread deleted, we did one in jest because a lot of people were writing the team off before a ball was kicked, saying we were going to be lucky to get a point in our opening game or so! Anyways, that is by the by, im far too lazy to go back that far -it may have been reinstated, but it was deleted initially.

I agree with you re:Diaby, although I wouldnt go as far as "shite" i would say Ramsey / Nasri / Rosicky are all ahead of him.

We actually call it as we see it too, we just see it very differently!!

[goonersid]

Im working through the night and on a Friday night too im bored and want to go to bed so thought id start a thread you bastards can read when you wake up.

Im in the realist camp as most of you know but im not sure if im going mad in my old age but i think we could do something big this season.... Not sure im with Brazilian and the treble bollocks but we are playing well and getting results even a bad one against West Ham we still didnt lose we have key players playing well and injured players coming back.

I still think we are suspect defensively although strangely i think our defenders are good just think we dont defend well as a team also i think Almunia is average at best shocking at worst so we could definately do with signing someone there also id still replace Song as i think we could improve.

Anyone else agree and starting to believe? Am i going mad or just king of the rosetinters again maybe its the lack of sleep.

That's what happens when you drop your guard, I started to think like that 2 seasons ago, then again in the cups last season. Now when I've a few too many and start to see things through my "beer goggles" I remind myself of Mad Willy at Birmingham, Crazy Wenger in last seasons FA cup semi and Hapless Al for Ronaldo's free kick in the clge. I can promise you it soons brings me to my senses.

[Boomer]

There is another theory which I'm mention before. Wenger only tends to be able to mount a challenge in a season leading up to a major international championship.

Wenger is a Coach, not manager, but I'm sure we all know that he loves being on the training ground with he's players. I'm sure he once said "Games get in the way of what he loves doing best"

So of course this mean that the summer before will be tournament free. Like this summer just past. He's had a summer to prepare and get he's players ready physically and mentally. Where as next summer the World cup will distrupt AW's pre-season prep.

[brazilianGOONER]

Not sure im with Brazilian and the treble bollocks

go to hell, moaner!!!

[REB]

There is another theory which I'm mention before. Wenger only tends to be able to mount a challenge in a season leading up to a major international championship.

Wenger is a Coach, not manager, but I'm sure we all know that he loves being on the training ground with he's players. I'm sure he once said "Games get in the way of what he loves doing best"

So of course this mean that the summer before will be tournament free. Like this summer just past. He's had a summer to prepare and get he's players ready physically and mentally. Where as next summer the World cup will distrupt AW's pre-season prep.

last 2 were
world cup in 2006
euros in 2008
we won fuck all before and after

[xDAVEYx]

There is another theory which I'm mention before. Wenger only tends to be able to mount a challenge in a season leading up to a major international championship.

Wenger is a Coach, not manager, but I'm sure we all know that he loves being on the training ground with he's players. I'm sure he once said "Games get in the way of what he loves doing best"

So of course this mean that the summer before will be tournament free. Like this summer just past. He's had a summer to prepare and get he's players ready physically and mentally. Where as next summer the World cup will distrupt AW's pre-season prep.

last 2 were
world cup in 2006
euros in 2008
we won fuck all before and after

yeah but 98, 02 and 04 were all big tournament years...

[flash gunner]

There is another theory which I'm mention before. Wenger only tends to be able to mount a challenge in a season leading up to a major international championship.

Wenger is a Coach, not manager, but I'm sure we all know that he loves being on the training ground with he's players. I'm sure he once said "Games get in the way of what he loves doing best"

So of course this mean that the summer before will be tournament free. Like this summer just past. He's had a summer to prepare and get he's players ready physically and mentally. Where as next summer the World cup will distrupt AW's pre-season prep.

Not sure i go with this one. If this is true then it must show up big frailties in Wenger if by not having a good pre-season he cant produce a winning team when others can???? I just dont think thats true

and Brazilian no offence with my first post just think youre mental

[REB]

There is another theory which I'm mention before. Wenger only tends to be able to mount a challenge in a season leading up to a major international championship.

Wenger is a Coach, not manager, but I'm sure we all know that he loves being on the training ground with he's players. I'm sure he once said "Games get in the way of what he loves doing best"

So of course this mean that the summer before will be tournament free. Like this summer just past. He's had a summer to prepare and get he's players ready physically and mentally. Where as next summer the World cup will distrupt AW's pre-season prep.

last 2 were
world cup in 2006
euros in 2008
we won fuck all before and after

yeah but 98, 02 and 04 were all big tournament years...

yes but look at the players we had at the club in each of those 3 years.

my point was at boomers post that for the last 2 big tournaments arsenal done jack shit before or after so disputing his theory

[brazilianGOONER]

and Brazilian no offence with my first post just think youre mental

we shall see at the end of the season, flash!!