Burnley v Arsenal

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the playing mantis wrote:id preferred it if ade had scored. anything to stop those crunts winning and hearing all their delusional bollox again tomorrow and in the media. he is the lesser of 2 evils when sperz are the other.
I'd have preferred a draw, but it's great that Adebayor (and Man City) are catestrophically failing, and Spuds fans singing "Adebayor, what's the score" does amuse me. Hell, if Spuds fans are mocking you, you really must be the lowest of the low!

Spuds will finish sixth at best, so their win doesn't particularly concern me. I did see some of the game, and Crouch was awful. The Spuds fans really don't care for him apparently. Him and Keane - since his return - that is.

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maybe butt there supporters never shut up and its annoying when you have 2 work wiv them

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HE IS THE LAST HOPE TO HAVE SOME PHYSICAL IMPACT AND SCORING GOALS, AND HAVING SOME GOOD CROSSES IN THE BOX!!!! :barscarf:

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Because of my link crashing I only seen about 20 mins or so but I cannot get my head around those that say 4 pts from the last 2 games is good :shock: The difference between us and the really genuine challengers is that they would maximise the dropped points of their rivals at the weekend and put back to back wins together to really turn up the heat - we on the other hand can go away to scouseland and beat one of our rivals but cannot go to burnley and beat a team that is in its debut season in the premiership :roll: I know that the scousers are on a bad run but they are still 6th in the league and are ye really saying that burnley are a better team than them ?? Simple facts are that yet again we have shown that we cannot turn up on one of those cold wet nights up north and this mental strength always seems to go missing :roll: :oops:

The bottom line is that we are being short-changed by the club as they continue to push sub-standard players on us while proclaiming them to be outstanding - spend the money and bring in some real quality ye miserable tight arsed *word censored* :evil: :evil: :evil:

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augie wrote:I cannot get my head around those that say 4 pts from the last 2 games is good :shock:
Be honest: at Sunday lunchtime, before the games against Liverpool and Burnley, did you honestly envision us gaining four points or more?

I really thought we could lose both, and probably would've been content with two or three points. Make no mistake, Liverpool and Burnley are difficult places to go, and I can't imagine that any other club in the Premiership will take maximum points from their trips there.

Add to the equation that our best players are out for the count - RVP, Rosicky and Fabregas (as of tonight) - in addition to Bendtner, then I really think four points is a good return.

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Utd were unlucky to lose there earlier in the season. In truth we were lucky to draw there tonight.

We could have put the game beyond reach by 20 minutes but the usual squandering of chances was present yet again, coupled with our lack of ideas when reaching their 18 yard box. It's as if we expect their back four to part & let us pass it through to goal. If we're faced by a couple of defenders we simply don't know what to do so pass it sideways or backwards again, chance gone. And for Theo to have a clear sight at goal & not to be able to even hit the target from 10 yards is inexcusable.

I saw the all too frequent lack of urgency again, as if we don't seem to realise that we're playing for a friggin' Premier League title, not just having a kick about to waste a few hours on a Wednesday evening.

I miss the Arsenal of old. The Arsenal that used to say "F*ck you. I'm gonna crush you & hammer 4 past you before half time, how d'ya like that!" :(

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Dan_85 wrote:Utd were unlucky to lose there earlier in the season. In truth we were lucky to draw there tonight.

We could have put the game beyond reach by 20 minutes but the usual squandering of chances was present yet again, coupled with our lack of ideas when reaching their 18 yard box. It's as if we expect their back four to part & let us pass it through to goal. If we're faced by a couple of defenders we simply don't know what to do so pass it sideways or backwards again, chance gone. And for Theo to have a clear sight at goal & not to be able to even hit the target from 10 yards is inexcusable.

I saw the all too frequent lack of urgency again, as if we don't seem to realise that we're playing for a friggin' Premier League title, not just having a kick about to waste a few hours on a Wednesday evening.

I miss the Arsenal of old. The Arsenal that used to say "F*ck you. I'm gonna crush you & hammer 4 past you before half time, how d'ya like that!" :(
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Bring Back Pires wrote:
augie wrote:I cannot get my head around those that say 4 pts from the last 2 games is good :shock:
Be honest: at Sunday lunchtime, before the games against Liverpool and Burnley, did you honestly envision us gaining four points or more?

I really thought we could lose both, and probably would've been content with two or three points. Make no mistake, Liverpool and Burnley are difficult places to go, and I can't imagine that any other club in the Premiership will take maximum points from their trips there.

Add to the equation that our best players are out for the count - RVP, Rosicky and Fabregas (as of tonight) - in addition to Bendtner, then I really think four points is a good return.

I understand what you are saying but after winning on sunday we should be kicking on from there and taking all 3pts home tonight no ? I mean we haer a lot about confidence so shouldnt we have been flying high tonight after a great result on sunday ?

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Bring Back Pires wrote:
augie wrote:I cannot get my head around those that say 4 pts from the last 2 games is good :shock:
Be honest: at Sunday lunchtime, before the games against Liverpool and Burnley, did you honestly envision us gaining four points or more?

I really thought we could lose both, and probably would've been content with two or three points. Make no mistake, Liverpool and Burnley are difficult places to go, and I can't imagine that any other club in the Premiership will take maximum points from their trips there.

Add to the equation that our best players are out for the count - RVP, Rosicky and Fabregas (as of tonight) - in addition to Bendtner, then I really think four points is a good return.

I understand what you are saying but after winning on sunday we should be kicking on from there and taking all 3pts home tonight no ? I mean we haer a lot about confidence so shouldnt we have been flying high tonight after a great result on sunday ?
Yes, and we should have won the game - we could and should have been 3-0 up within the first 15 minutes, but it just never materialised. It was a great result on Sunday, albeit unexpected, but the injuries that kept players out on that day still existed tonight, and were heightened when Fabregas went off.

I'm by no means using injuries as an excuse, but with defeats at places like Bolton, Stoke and Blackburn (clubs that don't play football, but simply fight) fresh in the mind, I was anticipating a similar trip-up against Burnley. As it panned out, we could've won the game. But then again, as it panned out, we could also have lost the game. If we'd dominated for 90 minutes and gave away a sloppy goal I'd be really frustrated, but we didn't, and may have been lucky to leave with a point.

So all in all, I think we've done okay, and can look forward to collecting maximum points this weekend whilst Chelsea and Man Utd are struggling away at West Ham and Fulham respectively.

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Bring Back Pires wrote:
augie wrote:I cannot get my head around those that say 4 pts from the last 2 games is good :shock:
Be honest: at Sunday lunchtime, before the games against Liverpool and Burnley, did you honestly envision us gaining four points or more?

I really thought we could lose both, and probably would've been content with two or three points. Make no mistake, Liverpool and Burnley are difficult places to go, and I can't imagine that any other club in the Premiership will take maximum points from their trips there.

Add to the equation that our best players are out for the count - RVP, Rosicky and Fabregas (as of tonight) - in addition to Bendtner, then I really think four points is a good return.
Yes being honest i expected a draw or a loss at anfield, but expected a win tonight so we have come out of the two games with roughly what i expected, but that isn't the point, the point is when we get an unexpected win at one of our rivals it's almost nullified if we then go on to drop points where we should pick up three. All the shit teams have big wins against top opposition now and then but what makes them shit is they can't follow that up... :cry:

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We will never will the title as long as we are carrying passengers like Almunia,Silvestre,Walcott and Diaby in the team.Not fit to wear the shirt.

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Bergkamp-Genius wrote:Yes being honest i expected a draw or a loss at anfield, but expected a win tonight so we have come out of the two games with roughly what i expected, but that isn't the point, the point is when we get an unexpected win at one of our rivals it's almost nullified if we then go on to drop points where we should pick up three. All the shit teams have big wins against top opposition now and then but what makes them shit is they can't follow that up... :cry:
Yep, that's how I see it. Liverpool was an unexpected victory, but by then failing to win (or even turn up!) at Burnley, we've effectively nullified the points bonus/feel good factor we gained at Anfield.

In the context of a top 4 place, it's been a good week but Wenger keeps banging on about a title race, so in that respect it's a poor result.

But either way, it was a shite performance, and Almunia, Theo, Vermaelen, Eduardo & co. should be having a sleepless night!

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But we can't play poorly and win everytime. As far as I see it, we've played poorly twice in four days, and still made off with four points. I'm not convinced our performances merited that return.

At the end of the day, if we beat Bolton at home (which is rather likely), we're five points off the leaders. Considering the injuries we've had, and the fact that it will only be early January by the time the game in hand is played - with the transfer window open - I'd say that the title isn't a million miles away.

Several weeks ago, everyone said that Chelsea would run away with it. But after failing to win in four (in all competitions), followed by a lumbering, penalty-enhanced victory over Portsmouth, accompanied by the upcoming ACN, I'd say that their early season form may be waivering. Let's face it, form is never permanent, and anything could happen to the two teams above us before the end of the season. At the going rate, I don't even think we have to be that consistent. But if we pick up the odd point from places like Burnley - where Man Utd lost - then it stands us in good stead.

I'm not a "rosetinter", just a fan that wants to win the league. For all intents and purposes, we're five points off the top and less than half way through the season, so I'm not going to give up on one of my loves and interests before I have to. If I conceded the title it would make for a rather boring season. Remember, at this point in 1997, we were sixth, and went on to win the league. I know times have changed, but it hardly requires a miracle, just some hard work and dedication; and probably some luck along the way too.

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g88ner wrote:
Bergkamp-Genius wrote:Yes being honest i expected a draw or a loss at anfield, but expected a win tonight so we have come out of the two games with roughly what i expected, but that isn't the point, the point is when we get an unexpected win at one of our rivals it's almost nullified if we then go on to drop points where we should pick up three. All the shit teams have big wins against top opposition now and then but what makes them shit is they can't follow that up... :cry:
Yep, that's how I see it. Liverpool was an unexpected victory, but by then failing to win (or even turn up!) at Burnley, we've effectively nullified the points bonus/feel good factor we gained at Anfield.

In the context of a top 4 place, it's been a good week but Wenger keeps banging on about a title race, so in that respect it's a poor result.

But either way, it was a shite performance, and Almunia, Theo, Vermaelen, Eduardo & co. should be having a sleepless night!
I'm not sure if it was a good week, on the face of it the weekends results looked good for us, but when you think about it it's only good for us if we think we are challenging for top two or three, which i don't think we will.

Villas continuing form and Spurs win tonight i think are actually more relevant to our season than United and Chelsea not winning at the weekend. What Villa Spurs Citeh and Pool do is what we should concern ourselves with because at the end of the day they will be the ones we will be competing for places with. Spurs and Villa are a little too close to us for my liking and i fully expect liverpool to pick it up for the second half of the season and i wouldn't be surprised if Hughes was out of the door in January paving the way for the likes of Hiddink, which would be disastrous for us...

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Bring Back Pires wrote: Remember, at this point in 1997, we were sixth, and went on to win the league. I know times have changed, but it hardly requires a miracle, just some hard work and dedication; and probably some luck along the way too.

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Remember we had a top class keeper Seaman,a CH Adams,a Midfield two of Petit and Vieira and DB10.This team has no one of their quality and thats the cold facts.We are not good enough to win the title

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