Leaving Arsenal can damage your career (31/10)

[gooner.ed]

http://www.onlinegooner.com/exclusive/index.php?id=449

usual thread starter… Christopher Wreh. To think, without this man, we might not have won the double in 1998. He kept Wrighty out of the starting line-up for the FA Cup final. And then sunk without a trace. Do we call Arsene inspired or lucky with this player? I notice there are less gambles with players these days. There is a list of them from the late 1990s and early 2000s. Anyone care to recall a few? I’ll start you off with…

Fabián Caballero

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabián_Caballero

if you name anyone, try and find a relevant web page and put up the address so we can all have a look at what they have been up to since leaving. Suspect a lot of them will be on wikipedia. or maybe there's a site dedicated to the 'where are they now' phenomenon

[ArmoGooner]

The temptation is to concentrate on the negative, but there have been some success stories out there. The jury is still out on Henry's move to Barca, but the consensus there that it seemed to be the best time for henry and for Arsenal to move him on.

Vieira has been a relative success in Italy, Pires is still a class player at Villareal, Edu never really got a chance to build a career at Valencia after a serious injury, and Overmars was a decent player for Barcelona.

Petit who was the makeweight in the Overmars deal was clearly never the same player without Vieira, either at barca or Chelsea, and is now plying his trade as a Setanta pundit.

Thinking back to our most successful spell under Wenger, remember: Stathis Tavlaridis, Moritz Volz, Jeremie Aliadiere, Gilles Grimandi, Remi Garde, Alberto Mendes, Kaba Diawara, and "There is only one Juan".

[Magic Hat]

Cygan was player of the year at Villareal but mostly, you leave Arsenal and your career declines.

[daz10_uk]

I always thought Stephen Hughes would make it at Arsenal if i remember rightly he scored some important goals in the 97-98 season and looked a good Midfielder but it didnt work out and he left. Although he is still playing (for Coventry) never did he reach the heights that he reached with us.

Click the link below to see what he is doing now

http://www.football.co.uk/coventry/play ... 3963.shtml

[Cus Geezer]

Of course it is worth reminding ourselves that when both Anelka and Pennant left Arsenal, they went on to appear in the exact same number of champions league finals as Arsenal have in their whole history.

Anelka actually winning in it.

No mention of Bentley either who hasn't quite hit the Jeffers level.

[Charlie! Charlie!]

What about the great Nelson Vivas?

Are there any truth in the rumours that Igor Stepanovs is entering the eurovison song contest next time round?

[proudtosaythatname]

I think you need to focus on the players we as fans thought were great, but Arsene realised were past their best. I'm delighted mostly when they do well (not AC though I felt sorry for him after reading 'My Defence'). Even Thierry was dropped by an Eto'o-less and misfiring Barca this week - I believe?

[nuttys left foot]

I agree that not all Ex Arsenal players fail once they leave the club but over the years it does seem that lots seem to. One of the big ones was our old boss Bruce Rioch. Seemed to pretty much go from small club to small club after DD ended his reign with us. Ive added a link below to show what he has done and it ends by saying he left his last job as his wife was ill i hope she is better now.

Not sure wikipedia is the best research tool but here goes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Rioch

[dvbrisgooner1]

I remember Petit and Overmars leaving to "join a big club and win trophies". They both won nothing and Petit ended up at Chelsea.

[I Hate Hleb]

..Even Thierry was dropped by an Eto'o-less and misfiring Barca this week - I believe?

I UNDERSTOOD THAT HENRY WAS INJURED AND WILL BE MISSING FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF GAMES.

[Cus Geezer]

I agree that not all Ex Arsenal players fail once they leave the club but over the years it does seem that lots seem to. One of the big ones was our old boss Bruce Rioch. Seemed to pretty much go from small club to small club after DD ended his reign with us. Ive added a link below to show what he has done and it ends by saying he left his last job as his wife was ill i hope she is better now.

The main reason that lots do is because (for the last 20 years at least) we are mainly successful.

Successful clubs refrain from selling players to other successful clubs, as not to feed their rivals and tend to only sell players when they're on their way down.

As for Bruce Rioch, he didn't have much of a record prior to Arsenal in the top division. His previous two outings, at Boro and Millwall ended in relegation. He was working above himself at Arsenal.

[nuttys left foot]

I agree that not all Ex Arsenal players fail once they leave the club but over the years it does seem that lots seem to. One of the big ones was our old boss Bruce Rioch. Seemed to pretty much go from small club to small club after DD ended his reign with us. Ive added a link below to show what he has done and it ends by saying he left his last job as his wife was ill i hope she is better now.

The main reason that lots do is because (for the last 20 years at least) we are mainly successful.

Successful clubs refrain from selling players to other successful clubs, as not to feed their rivals and tend to only sell players when they're on their way down.

As for Bruce Rioch, he didn't have much of a record prior to Arsenal in the top division. His previous two outings, at Boro and Millwall ended in relegation. He was working above himself at Arsenal.

Agreed

[dvbrisgooner1]

I agree that not all Ex Arsenal players fail once they leave the club but over the years it does seem that lots seem to. One of the big ones was our old boss Bruce Rioch. Seemed to pretty much go from small club to small club after DD ended his reign with us. Ive added a link below to show what he has done and it ends by saying he left his last job as his wife was ill i hope she is better now.

The main reason that lots do is because (for the last 20 years at least) we are mainly successful.

Successful clubs refrain from selling players to other successful clubs, as not to feed their rivals and tend to only sell players when they're on their way down.

As for Bruce Rioch, he didn't have much of a record prior to Arsenal in the top division. His previous two outings, at Boro and Millwall ended in relegation. He was working above himself at Arsenal.

Agreed

His record post Arsenal also supports that (remember he became Houston's assistant at QPR before joining Norwich).

However I will always be grateful to Bruce, because he signed Dennis, and everything changed overnight.

[Cus Geezer]

His record post Arsenal also supports that (remember he became Houston's assistant at QPR before joining Norwich).

However I will always be grateful to Bruce, because he signed Dennis, and everything changed overnight.

To be honest Dennis Bergkamp was already a player of high repute in 1995, as was David Platt, his other big signing in 1995.

It's one thing signing big players like that (as I have done on many occasions on Championship manager) it's quite another to work with them effectively. The latter is a lot harder work than the former.

From what I've heard also Bruce Rioch's man management techniques belonged in the 1970s.

[proudtosaythatname]

make that the 1870s