Wenger has got to go!
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LeftfootlegendGooner
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No manager is bigger than the club, likewise players, there comes a time when a manager cannot get the best from his team and identify the right players to make his team better.
This would generally be put down to age, no one, not even wenger is going to beat old age, his mental capabilities and thought processing are on the decline, he is getting old, its just the way it is.
Put him down, single shot to the head will do it
But seriously you cannot beat old age (apart from fergie cos that feker is in league with the devil) and he is showong signs of forgetfulnesss, he can't remember when he promised this YOUNG team will develop into a GREAT team already
This would generally be put down to age, no one, not even wenger is going to beat old age, his mental capabilities and thought processing are on the decline, he is getting old, its just the way it is.
Put him down, single shot to the head will do it
But seriously you cannot beat old age (apart from fergie cos that feker is in league with the devil) and he is showong signs of forgetfulnesss, he can't remember when he promised this YOUNG team will develop into a GREAT team already
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He had long enough to be ready that evening he had played for about 50-60 mins before they had scored hadnt just come on as a subskipper wrote:@flash
Yes they were, but if there is one game we shouldn't blame Almunia for, it's that one...he didn't even know he'll be playing that evening...
@Vlad
Just a common knowledge mate...
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Bergkamp-Genius
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PortsmouthVlad III wrote:I wish I could say, I could see where people are coming from on this, but I just can't.
In the last few months I have heard Portsmouth fans say "We might go under, but it will be worth it because we won the FA cup". This might be abit rash, but it just shows what that one trophy means to them. In our lifetime, we have seen our team go a whole season unbeaten, win countless trophies and play some of the best football in the world, but some people still aren't happy. We don't have a divine right to win anything and its arrogant to think we do. I will never ask for Wenger to be sacked because he has given me the greatest moments of my football supporting life. Yes there will be life after Wenger, but I don't want that to be any sooner than it needs to be.
Wenger
That wasn't aimed at you Hleb, just a general point.
are you joking.. we are not Portsmouth not even close, it's a ridiculous analogy...i suppose the next analogy will be Leeds, because if we spent £20m or even £30m on players to strengthen our team out of our £50m profits and £100m in the bank we could end up just like them..couldn't we 
Vlad you aint paying attention to what is being written/said by many of us who are wenger critics - it isnt the lack of trophies that are leading to calls for wenger to go (and I will openly I admit I think his time has gone) but it is his total inability to see the weaknesses in front of him or that he does see them and refuses to strengthen those areas I have always said that there are only a few trophies to be won so not every club can win a trophy but the very least I expect is to see the team progress and strengthen each and every season and if that aint good enough then so be it. Being 3rd in the poorest premiership season ever seen does not qualify as progressing and in each of the last 5 seasons the team and squad has actually got weaker with more young players being brought in to replace the departing experienced players and that is not a formula for success in anybodys eyes.
I have always said that there are only a few trophies to be won so not every club can win a trophy but the very least I expect is to see the team progress and strengthen each and every season and if that aint good enough then so be it. Being 3rd in the poorest premiership season ever seen does not qualify as progressing and in each of the last 5 seasons the team and squad has actually got weaker with more young players being brought in to replace the departing experienced players and that is not a formula for success in anybodys eyes.
Firstly in Almunia's defence the CL defeat was not down to him. Jens took a walk and Almunia had to step in. Give the guy a break. Yes both their goals were preventable but almost all goals are.
If we are to blame anyone for that defeat it should be Henry. We were 1 - 0 up and he blew a one on one to make it 2 - 0. TH is still one of my all time favourites but he and not Almunia was at fault for our CL Final defeat. But without him we would not have got there anyway !!!!
Back to Wenger. I am not yet calling for him to go, as I said I will judge him in May. But it is not looking too clever.
The gripe I have with this concept of Managerial change - or otherwise - is that Wenger's supporters seem incapable of seeing any point at which he might leave. Some lunatics even want him on the Board when he steps down.
ARE YOU UTTERLY MENTAL ?
Posit this. He - Wenger - is sitting on the Board. The new Manager does something really radical like........DROPPING DENIELSON.
What is the first thing every hack and inky scribbler will do ? Answer rush to Wenger and ask him for a quote on that 'dropping'. Even if he said nothing, they'd make up :-
WENGER SLATES X OVER DENIELSON DROPPING - headline and keep this going, 'ad infinitum'.
When Wenger ceases to be our Manager he must depart the Club in it's entirity. Any attempt to put him on the Board will be to repeat the Busby error of Utd 40 years ago. They were relegated ! It would be madness and must not happen.
In the meantime - and I insist, I am not - yet - calling for him to go, people need to realize that the Club comes before any one player/share holder/Director/ or Manager. Or even any one Fan !
If we are to blame anyone for that defeat it should be Henry. We were 1 - 0 up and he blew a one on one to make it 2 - 0. TH is still one of my all time favourites but he and not Almunia was at fault for our CL Final defeat. But without him we would not have got there anyway !!!!
Back to Wenger. I am not yet calling for him to go, as I said I will judge him in May. But it is not looking too clever.
The gripe I have with this concept of Managerial change - or otherwise - is that Wenger's supporters seem incapable of seeing any point at which he might leave. Some lunatics even want him on the Board when he steps down.
ARE YOU UTTERLY MENTAL ?
Posit this. He - Wenger - is sitting on the Board. The new Manager does something really radical like........DROPPING DENIELSON.
What is the first thing every hack and inky scribbler will do ? Answer rush to Wenger and ask him for a quote on that 'dropping'. Even if he said nothing, they'd make up :-
WENGER SLATES X OVER DENIELSON DROPPING - headline and keep this going, 'ad infinitum'.
When Wenger ceases to be our Manager he must depart the Club in it's entirity. Any attempt to put him on the Board will be to repeat the Busby error of Utd 40 years ago. They were relegated ! It would be madness and must not happen.
In the meantime - and I insist, I am not - yet - calling for him to go, people need to realize that the Club comes before any one player/share holder/Director/ or Manager. Or even any one Fan !
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LeftfootlegendGooner
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As much as i think al is not a keeper fit for Arsenal i can't blame him for the cl defeat, henry missed a sitter way before the sending off which would have changed that particluar event and we had several great chances afterwards that were missed, these are the reasons we didn't win it.
Secondly, and again i am not defendong him, if the the meerkat had put away several of his chances in the game against manure on sunday we wouldn't even be discussing al.
Thirdly, sorry just realised this thread is about wenger
Secondly, and again i am not defendong him, if the the meerkat had put away several of his chances in the game against manure on sunday we wouldn't even be discussing al.
Thirdly, sorry just realised this thread is about wenger
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So I can't compare 2 football clubs for what reason?Bergkamp-Genius wrote:PortsmouthVlad III wrote:I wish I could say, I could see where people are coming from on this, but I just can't.
In the last few months I have heard Portsmouth fans say "We might go under, but it will be worth it because we won the FA cup". This might be abit rash, but it just shows what that one trophy means to them. In our lifetime, we have seen our team go a whole season unbeaten, win countless trophies and play some of the best football in the world, but some people still aren't happy. We don't have a divine right to win anything and its arrogant to think we do. I will never ask for Wenger to be sacked because he has given me the greatest moments of my football supporting life. Yes there will be life after Wenger, but I don't want that to be any sooner than it needs to be.
Wenger
That wasn't aimed at you Hleb, just a general point.
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Bergkamp-Genius
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Because in this case there is no comparison they are nothing like us, not the history, not the size, not the support, not the finances, we are on a different planet to them..it's like comparing Messi with Eboue ...Vlad III wrote:So I can't compare 2 football clubs for what reason?Bergkamp-Genius wrote:PortsmouthVlad III wrote:I wish I could say, I could see where people are coming from on this, but I just can't.
In the last few months I have heard Portsmouth fans say "We might go under, but it will be worth it because we won the FA cup". This might be abit rash, but it just shows what that one trophy means to them. In our lifetime, we have seen our team go a whole season unbeaten, win countless trophies and play some of the best football in the world, but some people still aren't happy. We don't have a divine right to win anything and its arrogant to think we do. I will never ask for Wenger to be sacked because he has given me the greatest moments of my football supporting life. Yes there will be life after Wenger, but I don't want that to be any sooner than it needs to be.
Wenger
That wasn't aimed at you Hleb, just a general point.
Not sure I follow.
Their fans are happy they have won one major trophy in 50 odd years. Our fans whinge and cry that we haven't won a trophy in 5.
Are you saying that because we are Arsenal, we should win something every year? Once every 2/3 years? How often?
It strikes me as abit arrogant, that you dismiss Portsmouth so easily, (but I'm sure your going to tell me I'm missing the point?).
Their fans are happy they have won one major trophy in 50 odd years. Our fans whinge and cry that we haven't won a trophy in 5.
Are you saying that because we are Arsenal, we should win something every year? Once every 2/3 years? How often?
It strikes me as abit arrogant, that you dismiss Portsmouth so easily, (but I'm sure your going to tell me I'm missing the point?).
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Bergkamp-Genius
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If your sure i'm going to tell you you are missing the point that must mean you know you are ...Vlad III wrote:Not sure I follow.
Their fans are happy they have won one major trophy in 50 odd years. Our fans whinge and cry that we haven't won a trophy in 5.
Are you saying that because we are Arsenal, we should win something every year? Once every 2/3 years? How often?
It strikes me as abit arrogant, that you dismiss Portsmouth so easily, (but I'm sure your going to tell me I'm missing the point?).
Our fans don't whinge and cry because they haven't won a trophy in 5 years they whinge and cry because we could have and should have done better...i'm sure Torquay would be happy to win the 3rd division that doesn't mean we should be happy with that ...
There is no time scale of how often we need to win something but the least we expect is that every effort is made to do so..
I dismiss Portsmouth for what they are and that's not in the same league as us on every level and i'm sure their fans will agree, their expectations are tailored around who they are and ours are tailored around who we are..
You might be quite happy for us to become a shadow of what we can and should be, but most of us are not and comparing us to teams who are not even close to being on the same level as us is just another way to excuse mediocrity and under achievement... if you keep reducing the level of comparison i suppose we will always look good and you always be happy with our lot...me i'd rather compare us with the best and the biggest, where we belong...
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I think our weaknesses are down to Wenger's stubbornness and finances. Look at United, Chelsea and Liverpool, either mortgaged tot he hilt or supported by a sugar daddy. We haven't got that so we have to live within our means.
Unfortunately money talks in this league so they onyl way to win things is to spend big.
But luckily (or unluckily, depending on your point of view) Wenger isn't going to risk the clubs future or be drawn into buying overpriced over rated players, so we have to make do and hope the whole league goes tits up.
Oh and I reckon we ask those Pompey fans in five years time when they are in league 2 whether it was all worth it!
Unfortunately money talks in this league so they onyl way to win things is to spend big.
But luckily (or unluckily, depending on your point of view) Wenger isn't going to risk the clubs future or be drawn into buying overpriced over rated players, so we have to make do and hope the whole league goes tits up.
Oh and I reckon we ask those Pompey fans in five years time when they are in league 2 whether it was all worth it!
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Wenger should go?
Because were in a better position at this point than we were last season, without spending money....improvement.
Yeah lets get rid....how about long ball spend fuck loads moriniho or i like a bung hiddink.,,,or bergkamp or tony adams, or maybe.....
a sustainable future......wenger.
Win next weekend and ..........
Because were in a better position at this point than we were last season, without spending money....improvement.
Yeah lets get rid....how about long ball spend fuck loads moriniho or i like a bung hiddink.,,,or bergkamp or tony adams, or maybe.....
a sustainable future......wenger.
Win next weekend and ..........
