REDaction Mailout

[Pilly]

I have a different opinion to you, therefore I can't have been an Arsenal fan for very long. Clever stuff.

We all have some idea over the extent of Wenger's control. And I know exactly what flag you;re talking about. If I didn't I wouldn't have given an opinion on it.

I asked a simple question, mate. Do you have a bit of a complex there?

This is a thread about redaction not Wenger. I'm trying to find out if they're wasting my money by making us look like a bunch of JCL cünts! Please feel free to add something to the discussion...

[Pilly]

I've got to out, oh well it was fun chaps.

I do hope alan decides to answer my question.

Tally ho!

[Red107]

I asked a simple question, mate. Do you have a bit of a complex there?

This is a thread about redaction not Wenger. I'm trying to find out if they're wasting my money by making us look like a bunch of JCL cünts! Please feel free to add something to the discussion...

It was you who mentioned Wenger in the first place.

You say that if the club were to have bought the flag (which they didn't) they would have wasted your money and made us look like "JCL *word censored*".

I have a right to disagree and I shall do so. I quite like the flag and wouldn't mind if we had some more for other parts of the ground. If the club want to pay those then that would be good. It wasn't easy for REDaction to raise the money for the initial flag anyway.

In my opinion flags and some colour look much better than a plain crowd of people.

And as for your "JCL *word censored*" comment, deary me.

[Exiled-Gooner]

What a confidence boost for our present team by a mass praise of a past player.A player,which has already been stated,never denied rumours about moving etc but gave us great service and that should be that sing his name in recognition of service once and that's it.No banner,No t-shirts just leave us with the memories.More important is to concentrate on the present team!!!!

If Redaction want to do any good then lobby the board on reducing ticket prices,pricing of merchandise,refreshments,coming clean about the club finances,bring back standing areas so creating a atmosphere(pause for Russ Abbott song )and stop wenger's crusade before it's too late!!!curtail over policing,introductions of stupid bye-laws to prevent enjoying yourself.These are important to us supporters.

I'm off down the pub

Well we are lobbying the club about prices in general, we always have done and always will do.

Standing areas are a political issue so I suggest you write to your local MP. Arsenal cannot do anything until there is a change in the law. At every meeting we have with them however we do re-empthasise our commitment to the return of standing areas.

Bye-laws are down to the local council so again maybe having a go at the club is the wrong approach?

Club finances I would suggest you get involved with the AST as they have good access to the Directors and if you read their reviews of the clubs finances via their website you do get a more 'realistic' view on the current situation.

'Wengers crusade' I suppose only time will tell.

Well,sorry to have to say this mate,no disrespect meant,but redaction ain't much good for the benefit of supporters.I mean there supposed to be a body which aims to do things for the fans but in your reply there isn't really anything you can do is there,the points i made are the concerns of many supporters.i do beg to differ on your reply as a recognised body Redaction can lobby on all the points i state but i'm not going to get bogged down with it but i leave it at that and let redaction carry on doing there thing,like i said no disrespect or intention to put down intended.

[alanalansunderland]

I've got to out, oh well it was fun chaps.

I do hope alan decides to answer my question.

Tally ho!

No the club did not pay for the flag.

[alanalansunderland]

What a confidence boost for our present team by a mass praise of a past player.A player,which has already been stated,never denied rumours about moving etc but gave us great service and that should be that sing his name in recognition of service once and that's it.No banner,No t-shirts just leave us with the memories.More important is to concentrate on the present team!!!!

If Redaction want to do any good then lobby the board on reducing ticket prices,pricing of merchandise,refreshments,coming clean about the club finances,bring back standing areas so creating a atmosphere(pause for Russ Abbott song )and stop wenger's crusade before it's too late!!!curtail over policing,introductions of stupid bye-laws to prevent enjoying yourself.These are important to us supporters.

I'm off down the pub

Well we are lobbying the club about prices in general, we always have done and always will do.

Standing areas are a political issue so I suggest you write to your local MP. Arsenal cannot do anything until there is a change in the law. At every meeting we have with them however we do re-empthasise our commitment to the return of standing areas.

Bye-laws are down to the local council so again maybe having a go at the club is the wrong approach?

Club finances I would suggest you get involved with the AST as they have good access to the Directors and if you read their reviews of the clubs finances via their website you do get a more 'realistic' view on the current situation.

'Wengers crusade' I suppose only time will tell.

Well,sorry to have to say this mate,no disrespect meant,but redaction ain't much good for the benefit of supporters.I mean there supposed to be a body which aims to do things for the fans but in your reply there isn't really anything you can do is there,the points i made are the concerns of many supporters.i do beg to differ on your reply as a recognised body Redaction can lobby on all the points i state but i'm not going to get bogged down with it but i leave it at that and let redaction carry on doing there thing,like i said no disrespect or intention to put down intended.

Well I'm sorry if I did not make myself clear but we do lobby on all those points (I think I did say that in my reply) and many more.

What we need is more people like your good self to put their heads above the parapet, get involved and then maybe we can lobby even harder.

I still think on the 'finance' side that the AST are the best people to action this, and I know for a fact that they are currently questioning the club over the finces and will be publishing their findings very soon.

[MM99]

alan, do you not realise that people are reluctant to join redaction because of its reputation? more often than not you lot come across as a group of numpties, trying to do the right things but always getting it horrbily wrong (flag idea). clean up redactions act and you might find more arsenal fans willing to join up and contribute.

[StokeyGooner]

It would be good to see more banners at Arsenal full stop, so I don't think the 'Welcome back Vieira' banner is neccesarily a bad idea. But in light of the fact we have very few banners at Arsenal anyway some of the concerns about undermining current players are valid.

[alanalansunderland]

alan, do you not realise that people are reluctant to join redaction because of its reputation? more often than not you lot come across as a group of numpties, trying to do the right things but always getting it horrbily wrong (flag idea). clean up redactions act and you might find more arsenal fans willing to join up and contribute.

I take your point but I think 'always' is a bit strong. I think some peoples characterisation of REDaction as 'numpties' is based on ignorance as well.

Without exception within REDaction I can assure you that the guys and girls who do try and organise things definitely have their hearts in the right places. Whatever we do we are always going to come up against someone who doesn't like the idea. I always remember one bloke coming up to me on the day we organised the tribute to Dennis Bergkamp and being told that we were out of order as he didn't deserve it!

My own thought pattern for what its worth if I was on the outside looking in at REDaction would be at least they try but they need help to take things forward in a correct manner so why not get involved and show them the error of their ways.

Just out of interest as i don't want to assume anything what is exactly your problem with the flag?

[Nos89]

I would say the 15ft high image outside on the side of the stadium is tribute enough for Vieira. If you're gonna do a banner can't you do a picture of Vieira changing to a picture of Cesc over4/5 images like they do in the tabloids? A nod to the past but recognising the present.

[rigsby]

I think we do need more banners around the ground, if we did then the Vieira one would be a welcome addition no matter what game, but being as we're not allowed to have many it'll stand out too much. Thats my only problem with it

[afchackney]

weve been at the concrete bowl for how many years??
red action are tryin fair dos to them
but what have they acheived
there the only ones with a 'voice' who the club listen to and what do we get
laughable united nation flags
still have to put up with wonder of you
sombreros
'arssssssssenal fc were by far the greatest team' every ten seconds
atmosphere is worse than ever (unless ur in that one block)
but the rocket is open for pre match drinks

im sure they aint all dickheads but majority come across that way
at least it looks like there will soon be an alternative

[marcengels]

alan, do you not realise that people are reluctant to join redaction because of its reputation? more often than not you lot come across as a group of numpties, trying to do the right things but always getting it horrbily wrong (flag idea). clean up redactions act and you might find more arsenal fans willing to join up and contribute.

I take your point but I think 'always' is a bit strong. I think some peoples characterisation of REDaction as 'numpties' is based on ignorance as well.

Without exception within REDaction I can assure you that the guys and girls who do try and organise things definitely have their hearts in the right places. Whatever we do we are always going to come up against someone who doesn't like the idea. I always remember one bloke coming up to me on the day we organised the tribute to Dennis Bergkamp and being told that we were out of order as he didn't deserve it!

My own thought pattern for what its worth if I was on the outside looking in at REDaction would be at least they try but they need help to take things forward in a correct manner so why not get involved and show them the error of their ways.

Just out of interest as i don't want to assume anything what is exactly your problem with the flag?

I just dont think redaction accepts criticism of its ideas, and criticism for its own sake should be accepted by yourselves, seeing as any ideas implemted may affect us.

[Percy Dalton]

I know Alan and I ahve had our fall outs about RedAction but I think quibbling about a flag and a scarf is a bit meaningless.

The flag is better than no flag and the scarves were a gimmick.

My issues with RedAction are to do with what I feel are more important issues.

I do not have a problem with the march, although I would never be involved, but I do have a problem with how late this sees our apparently noisiest fans enter the ground. To be honest I have stopped noticing but has there been any change in this Alan?

Also, I have long said if you want to do something about atmosphere then instead of creating this in a student bar a mile down the road why not speak to the club about staging the meet inside the ground? The beer prices in The Rocket are not that cheap and anyone inside the club with any commercial nous must see there is a deal to be done here.

By all means use The Rocket after the match and for your parties etc but why use it before hand? All truly great atmospheres start well before kick off but ours start when certain individuals turn up, right on kick off or after.

The Rocket to me is a distinct distraction from what RedAction aim to acheive. To trumpet the cause of trying to raise the roof in the ground while you spend the minimum time in it possible is both contradictory and counterproductive.

The old RedAction, before they became cosy bedfellows wioth the club, used to make a lot of noise inside the ground before the game. Why no longer? This was one of the core values of the organisation and the loss of this why I doubt the true meaning of todays band.

It has long seemed to me that a slightly cheaper pint in The Rocket is of a higher priority than making a significant change. RedAction has the perfect opportunity to remind the club that the average supporter isn't a club level member with a frequent user card for buying tat in The Armoury. The Average Joe's amongst us who like a few beers before the game can now no longer have a few cans near the ground and when we go into a pub we are forced to stand behind some weird red and white barrier if we wish to stand outside.

Making the ground a more welcoming place to drink and using this to create an atmosphere should be the main caause of RedAction but all the time their biggest marketing tool is The Rocket this will never happen.

[augie]

In principle I totally support the idea od redaction but being honest the principal and the practice seems miles apart to me.

Maybe I am a militant guy by nature but it seems to me that the really core issues that redaction should be fighting the club on are forgotten about as they negotiate on, shall we say cosier topics. Over the last few years we have seen a blanket ban on banners, to a ban on any banner that has a national flag on it to all of a sudden having a united nation of Arsenal banner which has several national flags on it It is not that I was against this banner per se (though it does give ammunition to the dickheads from other clubs who slate us for not having enough/any english players) but it does seem hypocritical of the club.

You rightly say that the ban on standing is a political issue but this is an issue that the clubs should be taking up as they certainly would have more clout than a few fans here and there. Germany is a fine example of how standing area's can be a success at football grounds and if we are serious about improving the atmosphere inside the grove then it is a fight that both the club and the fans should fight together.

I have to say that I lost a huge amount of respect for your organisation the day they marched to show their support for wenger and the club last season. The current policy employed by wenger and the club is clearly not working and the shareholders were perfectly right to challenge the people concerned at the agm if they felt it wasnt working and lets be honest here it is a view that is shared by a majority (as in over 50%). However your group organised a march to show that the fans were totally behind wenger(redactions words not mine) and I felt annoyed and angry that the one group who could really relay the depth of frustration amongst the fans sold us out for a typically pc response That day convinced me that cosying up with the club was more important to redaction than fighting any real causes amongst the fans

Finally can I just say that your suggestion that people who are unhappy with the work your group does should therefore get involved themselves does appear a bit lame. Surely the people involved get enough feedback and suggestions from genuine fans to b able to say that this suggestion or that suggestion is a good idea and should be persued rather than need the person who made the suggestion to get involved themselves ?

Anyway as I said already I support the principle of your group but they do need to get more agressive if they genuinely want to represent the fans. I respect you for coming on here and both keeping fans in the loop and arguing your point and I do feel that any personal abuse to you is unwarranted