Morning everyone.
Well, thats it then. Out of the Euro next summer. I have never seen a worst performance than that of last night. No team co-ordination, everybody just seemed to be playing their own game. Where was the Tony Adams general at the back getting his team into line. Come to that where was fucking anybody. I should have guessed that we were gonna get done when the giraffe and gissa a job opened their big gobs in the tabloid shit harping on how they were gonna restore english pride - yeah and my dad's the fucking pope. I just knew we were gonna go down the tubes when I see Mclown standing there with a fucking umbrella! He must be the first manager Ive ever seen standing there with a fucking umbrella a fucking umbrella!!! Sorry but I couldnt believe it - a fucking umbrella. Well thats it then. This must be the lowest of the low of how I feel about the England set up. I usually have a bit of support of the England team but I can honestly say that has gone. A third rate set-up with a third rate fucking useless manager with a third rate bunch of over-rated fuck-alls playing in a third rate useless fucking ground. We dont deserve any of them. I think the whole fucking lot should resign and fuck off and let someone else run the England set up.
what a pile of poo
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these,s so called super star,s show no honour and passion playing for england , all they care about is they big fat pay cheque,sAlso, it showed what giss a job and the rest of them would be giving us on a Saturday afternoon without the foreign players in the premiership. Back to the days of Leeds vs Chelsea on a bog pitch clogging one another to pieces - I think not. Thank God we have Arsene and the Arse. It showed last night that all the foreigners playing in the premiership carry the likes of that fucking shower called England last night. I still cant get over it, they were just fucking awful. Whats Umbro gonna do now, they wont be selling many shirts next summer, still there's one bright thing to come out of all this. There wont be any mobs of pissed yobs on holiday next summer wearing their England shirts and singing Engerlund as they piss in someone's villa and puke up in front of families on holiday.
Following on from delgooner's observations, some interesting statistics coming out of next summer's Euro2008:
Singing of anti-Irish and anti-German songs - down by 100%
Ageing skinheads and burberry waanabees causing city centre trouble - down by 100%
England fans moaning that they get unfair press - down by 100%
Swiss/Austrian police overtime - down by 100%
Tabloid headline "We're gonna win it" - down by 100%
Tabloid headline "Quarter final heartache" - down by 100%
Standard of football played - up by 100%
Singing of anti-Irish and anti-German songs - down by 100%
Ageing skinheads and burberry waanabees causing city centre trouble - down by 100%
England fans moaning that they get unfair press - down by 100%
Swiss/Austrian police overtime - down by 100%
Tabloid headline "We're gonna win it" - down by 100%
Tabloid headline "Quarter final heartache" - down by 100%
Standard of football played - up by 100%
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Red Gunner
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The main positive is:Galasso wrote:Following on from delgooner's observations, some interesting statistics coming out of next summer's Euro2008:
Singing of anti-Irish and anti-German songs - down by 100%
Ageing skinheads and burberry waanabees causing city centre trouble - down by 100%
England fans moaning that they get unfair press - down by 100%
Swiss/Austrian police overtime - down by 100%
Tabloid headline "We're gonna win it" - down by 100%
Tabloid headline "Quarter final heartache" - down by 100%
Standard of football played - up by 100%
NO WAGS
Was anyone really suprised? These bunch of overpaid wankers are more bothered about money than playing for pride .Anyone who still thinks Fat Frank is nothing but an overated crunt should watch last nights game.World class my arse. you only have to look at how the likes of Terry,Ferdinand,Cole and Rooney behave off the pitch to see its all about £££££"s
Written before the news of the sacking but sums up my feeling on the match
Well Maclaren got little luck though I wonder if the fans, by booing the national anthems of our rivals, mocked Scotland for not qualifying, for the absolute rubbish they put the players through and the players who so needed to score a fourth when an Andorra player was down injured or hint that Robinson was at fault for the defeat to Russia, which wasn't exactly true and was a backstab (Gerrard does have this odd habit of getting his feelings against someone picked up like magic) deserved any luck.
I think the performance was summed up for me in one first half moment, we had the ball on the left with Crouch and SWP up front to hit the ball too. What did the England player do? Play a high ball to SWP, that real giant in the air, unsurprisingly we lost the ball. It isn't lack of passion or the managers that fail us, normally anyway, it is England's attacking players are drained of any real ability in their youth days and so we have nobody who can cut open defences. Maclaren went for a bold 4-3-3 (the papers call it 4-5-1 because they hate the manager) and in some ways it worked, for the opening twenty minutes, we looked like we could score but Croatia defended well and once we were 2-0 down, we seemed to struggle. Great subs, Bent and Beckham played their part, and a good fightback but Maclaren can not have been happy to see his team try to close down the game, we should have gone onto the attack but we are England, our players are too scared to risk defeat for victory, credit to Defoe, Crouch and Beckham who tried to stay forward. I'm not going to claim we should have gone 4-4-2 as some fans now say, after all 4-3-3 should have suited the Chelsea players in the squad and the U21's have switched between 4-3-3/4-4-2/4-5-1 with ease whereas the likes of Gerrard can't?
The pitch was awful but there you go, waste money on a new stadium over an acadamy. As for the England players, Carson was a reasonable gamble, he handles big games quite well while James and Robinson are erratic but as the Times, who tried to be gentle, said you wouldn't wish that on your worst enemy. Shocking error for the first, half hearted challenge for the second, probably couldn't do much about the third, fumbling nearly everything , kicking was erratic and most of his saves were due to being straight at him apart from one decent save with a low effort to his right. The "spectacular save" was straight at him but he positioned himself well for it and showed quick reactions so fair play for that.
The defence in front of him was makeshift and it showed, even at a corner where a Croatia player had a free header from three yards. Bridge over Cashley made some sense as Bridge had been better play for club and was fit whereas Cashley had only just returned from injury. Never has Bridge been so bad, his crossing was awful and his defensive display was worse, lucky when his panic block hit the bar with Carson stranded, he was unable to get back for the second and was just plain rubbish last night. Richards helped in second England goal but offered little going forward or at the back, nowhere to be seen for Croatia's second and came across but didn't close for the third. Lescott is a fine defender for Everton but he has struggled for England, half the time he was out of position and despite a five minute moment where he did well, he seemed a liability all night, to blame as much as anyone for the second goal. The Bridge clearance onto bar partly came about becuase Lescott was too close to Campbell and left a huge gap between himself and the leftback. Campbell for me was a rare highlight, he made a brilliant saving block on Dudu and looked reliable, he got across for the second goal and held Dudu up while everyone else did fudge all, failed to close down for third but it was a rare error from the colossus, note the danger tended to come in area's Campbell wasn't meant to be and couldn't cover as he was trying to do his job.
Onto the midfield and that is why we can't win world cups, not due to managers but because 1) our youth system is poor 2) well look at the cutting edge of that midfield which was about zero. Barry over Hargreaves made sense at the time but proved to be poor, the man offered nothing and refused to sit in front of the defence to allow others to roam. Gerrard was brilliant, I mean what a world class player he is with finding a blue shirt was every pass, his failure once again to help the defence or offer any use whatsoever to the team, for one supposedly so talented a passer, his set pieces into the box were as good as allowing a Croatia player take them for us. Lampard's penalty was powerful and accurate and his passing was far better, as in he did actually find white shirts sometimes and did surge forward sometimes. Neither of them seemed willing to gamble on Crouch winning headers at any point in the game or offer any real threat, not because they can't play together but because neither are good enough to threaten big teams for their country. J.Cole... I can't remember much that he did and he seemed to drift back rather then stay forward while SWP at least offered us pace going forward, had a good effort saved and did alright but his failure to track his man but to play at being statues cost us, his style suited 4-3-3 more and if Beckham was unfit, the bench was better. Beckham didn't get the ball often enough and his team mates seemed to want to hit balls ahead of him rather then too him, even so his setplays were better then anything else the rest of the midfield produced and a superb cross for the goal, it is sad that a fading half fit force is still better then the rest of our midfielders combined.
Crouch fought hard, won balls in the air, showed superb control at times but he needed more support then he got so often it fizzed out to nothing but what a way to take a goal, good control and calm finish, maybe that will shut up the "he only scores against bad teams" brigade. Defoe worked hard but offered little, somewhat lucky penalty gained while Bent again worked hard but was unlucky with his shot, perhaps should have taken another touch once the defender slipped. Neither of them did enough to have warranted a starting place in a 4-4-2.
We have been spoiled by the Sven years but what the Fa do next could be key, if they do sack Maclaren then they have a hard choice, only British and the desperate for cash/a job will take the post as nobody will want to have to cope with the idiots in the press and the fickle fans who demand that we win the world cup and don't let facts get in the way like not winning it since 1966. If they do sack Maclaren, they better have a really good choice who is ready to take over or it won't have been worth paying off our current one. They must keep Barwick in charge rather then blame him for something he had no control over, despite the loss of cash this blow will give, they must heed the calls for youth reform, they must build that academy that they stopped making for a brand new stadium that we didn't need. The players should take a look at themselves and recognise that they let the manager down badly, that they are not as good as they think they are. The press must try something called realism and make the England job not so impossible for managers, the fans must lower their expectations, show some common courtesy to the opposing national anthems and get behind the team whatever happens in the future.
Who thinks all that will happen is Maclaren is sacked, vilified beyond all fairness, Barwick possibly as well and nothing important is done?
Well Maclaren got little luck though I wonder if the fans, by booing the national anthems of our rivals, mocked Scotland for not qualifying, for the absolute rubbish they put the players through and the players who so needed to score a fourth when an Andorra player was down injured or hint that Robinson was at fault for the defeat to Russia, which wasn't exactly true and was a backstab (Gerrard does have this odd habit of getting his feelings against someone picked up like magic) deserved any luck.
I think the performance was summed up for me in one first half moment, we had the ball on the left with Crouch and SWP up front to hit the ball too. What did the England player do? Play a high ball to SWP, that real giant in the air, unsurprisingly we lost the ball. It isn't lack of passion or the managers that fail us, normally anyway, it is England's attacking players are drained of any real ability in their youth days and so we have nobody who can cut open defences. Maclaren went for a bold 4-3-3 (the papers call it 4-5-1 because they hate the manager) and in some ways it worked, for the opening twenty minutes, we looked like we could score but Croatia defended well and once we were 2-0 down, we seemed to struggle. Great subs, Bent and Beckham played their part, and a good fightback but Maclaren can not have been happy to see his team try to close down the game, we should have gone onto the attack but we are England, our players are too scared to risk defeat for victory, credit to Defoe, Crouch and Beckham who tried to stay forward. I'm not going to claim we should have gone 4-4-2 as some fans now say, after all 4-3-3 should have suited the Chelsea players in the squad and the U21's have switched between 4-3-3/4-4-2/4-5-1 with ease whereas the likes of Gerrard can't?
The pitch was awful but there you go, waste money on a new stadium over an acadamy. As for the England players, Carson was a reasonable gamble, he handles big games quite well while James and Robinson are erratic but as the Times, who tried to be gentle, said you wouldn't wish that on your worst enemy. Shocking error for the first, half hearted challenge for the second, probably couldn't do much about the third, fumbling nearly everything , kicking was erratic and most of his saves were due to being straight at him apart from one decent save with a low effort to his right. The "spectacular save" was straight at him but he positioned himself well for it and showed quick reactions so fair play for that.
The defence in front of him was makeshift and it showed, even at a corner where a Croatia player had a free header from three yards. Bridge over Cashley made some sense as Bridge had been better play for club and was fit whereas Cashley had only just returned from injury. Never has Bridge been so bad, his crossing was awful and his defensive display was worse, lucky when his panic block hit the bar with Carson stranded, he was unable to get back for the second and was just plain rubbish last night. Richards helped in second England goal but offered little going forward or at the back, nowhere to be seen for Croatia's second and came across but didn't close for the third. Lescott is a fine defender for Everton but he has struggled for England, half the time he was out of position and despite a five minute moment where he did well, he seemed a liability all night, to blame as much as anyone for the second goal. The Bridge clearance onto bar partly came about becuase Lescott was too close to Campbell and left a huge gap between himself and the leftback. Campbell for me was a rare highlight, he made a brilliant saving block on Dudu and looked reliable, he got across for the second goal and held Dudu up while everyone else did fudge all, failed to close down for third but it was a rare error from the colossus, note the danger tended to come in area's Campbell wasn't meant to be and couldn't cover as he was trying to do his job.
Onto the midfield and that is why we can't win world cups, not due to managers but because 1) our youth system is poor 2) well look at the cutting edge of that midfield which was about zero. Barry over Hargreaves made sense at the time but proved to be poor, the man offered nothing and refused to sit in front of the defence to allow others to roam. Gerrard was brilliant, I mean what a world class player he is with finding a blue shirt was every pass, his failure once again to help the defence or offer any use whatsoever to the team, for one supposedly so talented a passer, his set pieces into the box were as good as allowing a Croatia player take them for us. Lampard's penalty was powerful and accurate and his passing was far better, as in he did actually find white shirts sometimes and did surge forward sometimes. Neither of them seemed willing to gamble on Crouch winning headers at any point in the game or offer any real threat, not because they can't play together but because neither are good enough to threaten big teams for their country. J.Cole... I can't remember much that he did and he seemed to drift back rather then stay forward while SWP at least offered us pace going forward, had a good effort saved and did alright but his failure to track his man but to play at being statues cost us, his style suited 4-3-3 more and if Beckham was unfit, the bench was better. Beckham didn't get the ball often enough and his team mates seemed to want to hit balls ahead of him rather then too him, even so his setplays were better then anything else the rest of the midfield produced and a superb cross for the goal, it is sad that a fading half fit force is still better then the rest of our midfielders combined.
Crouch fought hard, won balls in the air, showed superb control at times but he needed more support then he got so often it fizzed out to nothing but what a way to take a goal, good control and calm finish, maybe that will shut up the "he only scores against bad teams" brigade. Defoe worked hard but offered little, somewhat lucky penalty gained while Bent again worked hard but was unlucky with his shot, perhaps should have taken another touch once the defender slipped. Neither of them did enough to have warranted a starting place in a 4-4-2.
We have been spoiled by the Sven years but what the Fa do next could be key, if they do sack Maclaren then they have a hard choice, only British and the desperate for cash/a job will take the post as nobody will want to have to cope with the idiots in the press and the fickle fans who demand that we win the world cup and don't let facts get in the way like not winning it since 1966. If they do sack Maclaren, they better have a really good choice who is ready to take over or it won't have been worth paying off our current one. They must keep Barwick in charge rather then blame him for something he had no control over, despite the loss of cash this blow will give, they must heed the calls for youth reform, they must build that academy that they stopped making for a brand new stadium that we didn't need. The players should take a look at themselves and recognise that they let the manager down badly, that they are not as good as they think they are. The press must try something called realism and make the England job not so impossible for managers, the fans must lower their expectations, show some common courtesy to the opposing national anthems and get behind the team whatever happens in the future.
Who thinks all that will happen is Maclaren is sacked, vilified beyond all fairness, Barwick possibly as well and nothing important is done?
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