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1989 wrote:I realise that maybe I was a tad harsh on Thommy but I feel my inital post was to let out my feelings about a player whose errors have cost us in the big games as much as any other player yet has been overlooked for criticism in comparison to others. Don't get me wrong I like the bloke, good player who can improve, but he's been at fault for many a goal conceded this season, make no mistake about it.
Decent-ish piece about TV5 that sort of better explains what I was trying to say before about getting drawn out of position & going for balls he doesn’t need to.
Top player, 2nd only behind Cesc this season & definite captain material but how seemingly no-one at the club has picked up on such a obvious basic flaw just seems to confirm the lack of attention/respect we pay to defending.
I agree, i had teh same arguement with my dad in the ground at barca. He is alot like clichy, we he sees a ball played he wants to win it no matter what. We have oftern seem him go straight through the back of players trying to win a ball that is just not there to win.
On tuesday all he had to do was hold up messi on the halfway line, but he tried to win the ball and he got caught out.
Class defender just needs to concentrate more and not rush in all the time, same for clichy.
Its Up 4 Grabs Now wrote:Decent-ish piece about TV5 that sort of better explains what I was trying to say before about getting drawn out of position & going for balls he doesn’t need to.
Top player, 2nd only behind Cesc this season & definite captain material but how seemingly no-one at the club has picked up on such a obvious basic flaw just seems to confirm the lack of attention/respect we pay to defending.
Yes, that's a good piece, and I don't think it would take alot to rectify this flaw in his game imo.
Its Up 4 Grabs Now wrote:Decent-ish piece about TV5 that sort of better explains what I was trying to say before about getting drawn out of position & going for balls he doesn’t need to.
Top player, 2nd only behind Cesc this season & definite captain material but how seemingly no-one at the club has picked up on such a obvious basic flaw just seems to confirm the lack of attention/respect we pay to defending.
Yes, that's a good piece, and I don't think it would take alot to rectify this flaw in his game imo.
As I've said before that's as much to do with his playing partner than TV, I think he doesn't trust those around him to deal with certain situations, and this leads to him trying to do it all himself.
Its Up 4 Grabs Now wrote:Decent-ish piece about TV5 that sort of better explains what I was trying to say before about getting drawn out of position & going for balls he doesn’t need to.
Top player, 2nd only behind Cesc this season & definite captain material but how seemingly no-one at the club has picked up on such a obvious basic flaw just seems to confirm the lack of attention/respect we pay to defending.
Yes, that's a good piece, and I don't think it would take alot to rectify this flaw in his game imo.
As I've said before that's as much to do with his playing partner than TV, I think he doesn't trust those around him to deal with certain situations, and this leads to him trying to do it all himself.
I agree with that Sid, to a certain point, especially when he's playing alongside the geriatric, fish head one, but in one of those examples he was playing with alongside Gallas....
Its Up 4 Grabs Now wrote:Decent-ish piece about TV5 that sort of better explains what I was trying to say before about getting drawn out of position & going for balls he doesn’t need to.
Top player, 2nd only behind Cesc this season & definite captain material but how seemingly no-one at the club has picked up on such a obvious basic flaw just seems to confirm the lack of attention/respect we pay to defending.
Yes, that's a good piece, and I don't think it would take alot to rectify this flaw in his game imo.
I think that it would take a huge change to rectify this part of Vermaelen's game Frank. Pretty much the whole approach to Wenger's training methods and game plan.
If you listen to a lot of Wengers post match interviews and some pre match stuff, I've certainly picked up, that this is what he wants from the defenders in the team. To attack the ball before the opposition player has a chance to collect the pass and turn. Especially Barcelona at home he felt we weren't doing enough of this.
So looking forward we're going to see a lot more of these types of goals conceeded as Wenger looks for us to win the ball back early and catch the opposition off guard.
Its Up 4 Grabs Now wrote:Decent-ish piece about TV5 that sort of better explains what I was trying to say before about getting drawn out of position & going for balls he doesn’t need to.
Top player, 2nd only behind Cesc this season & definite captain material but how seemingly no-one at the club has picked up on such a obvious basic flaw just seems to confirm the lack of attention/respect we pay to defending.
Yes, that's a good piece, and I don't think it would take alot to rectify this flaw in his game imo.
As I've said before that's as much to do with his playing partner than TV, I think he doesn't trust those around him to deal with certain situations, and this leads to him trying to do it all himself.
I agree with that Sid, to a certain point, especially when he's playing alongside the geriatric, fish head one, but in one of those examples he was playing with alongside Gallas....
Frank
I'm no fan of Gallas, and he has been the only constant at the centre our defence since it became "sieive like". Watch him closely in the World Cup he ain't that good, as he showed agaisnt Doyle and the dwarf in the Ireland play-offs.
Number 5 wrote:I think that it would take a huge change to rectify this part of Vermaelen's game Frank. Pretty much the whole approach to Wenger's training methods and game plan.
Good one!
Number 5 wrote:If you listen to a lot of Wengers post match interviews and some pre match stuff, I've certainly picked up, that this is what he wants from the defenders in the team. To attack the ball before the opposition player has a chance to collect the pass and turn. Especially Barcelona at home he felt we weren't doing enough of this.
So looking forward we're going to see a lot more of these types of goals conceeded as Wenger looks for us to win the ball back early and catch the opposition off guard.
Thing is, there’s nothing wrong with that per say but there’s a time & a place & you don’t need to over-commit, just get tight enough that the player cant turn & get a run at you, not Gashley/Jermaine tight! Or you’re liable to get turned easily anyway. Steady #5!
And even then he can do that without diving in. A lot of the time he rushes to get tight but then once in a position to jockey & prevent the player turning he goes through the back of him to try & take the ball instead of biding his time to make the challenge or shepherding him away from danger. More often than not we give away a silly fee-kick as a result.
There’s just been a tendency all season long for his defending to be “last-ditchâ€
There's no coincidence that the Chavs have failed to win another title and have never looked as solid at the back since Gallas left. Him and Terry were an awesome partnership. In the big games Gallas is still better than Vermaelen by a good way.
Vermaelen is a good solid player who will be a big part of our backline for most of the next decade and is a big improvement on Toure as we have an aggressive centre half to complement the sweeper in Gallas but as said already he has that impetuous streak and it gets him caught out of position a lot as he goes for stuff he doesn't need to and leaves gaps in behind him. Against good opposition we get caught out a lot by it. He needs to be more judicious and Sol as a similar sort of player can teach him a lot about this. Still makes him a good player against most opposition and a key reason along with Song and the switch to 4-3-3 for our improvement this season.
Its Up 4 Grabs Now wrote:Decent-ish piece about TV5 that sort of better explains what I was trying to say before about getting drawn out of position & going for balls he doesn’t need to.
Top player, 2nd only behind Cesc this season & definite captain material but how seemingly no-one at the club has picked up on such a obvious basic flaw just seems to confirm the lack of attention/respect we pay to defending.
Yes, that's a good piece, and I don't think it would take alot to rectify this flaw in his game imo.
I think that it would take a huge change to rectify this part of Vermaelen's game Frank. Pretty much the whole approach to Wenger's training methods and game plan.
If you listen to a lot of Wengers post match interviews and some pre match stuff, I've certainly picked up, that this is what he wants from the defenders in the team. To attack the ball before the opposition player has a chance to collect the pass and turn. Especially Barcelona at home he felt we weren't doing enough of this.
So looking forward we're going to see a lot more of these types of goals conceeded as Wenger looks for us to win the ball back early and catch the opposition off guard.
Yes, you're right, especially in the first half, we didn't, we stood off them entirely and gave them the freedom of the pitch and possession.
Perhaps Wenger tried to rectify this by over-adopting this tactic in the away leg, again to our detriment, especially with the personnel we had on hand out there.
This 'flaw' in TV's game, from his personal angle wouldn't be hard to iron out, but you're right, if that's the way Wenger wants to play it, then god help us, he must clearly see that it's not a good approach.
Its Up 4 Grabs Now wrote:Decent-ish piece about TV5 that sort of better explains what I was trying to say before about getting drawn out of position & going for balls he doesn’t need to.
Top player, 2nd only behind Cesc this season & definite captain material but how seemingly no-one at the club has picked up on such a obvious basic flaw just seems to confirm the lack of attention/respect we pay to defending.
Yes, that's a good piece, and I don't think it would take alot to rectify this flaw in his game imo.
As I've said before that's as much to do with his playing partner than TV, I think he doesn't trust those around him to deal with certain situations, and this leads to him trying to do it all himself.
I agree with that Sid, to a certain point, especially when he's playing alongside the geriatric, fish head one, but in one of those examples he was playing with alongside Gallas....
Frank
I'm no fan of Gallas, and he has been the only constant at the centre our defence since it became "sieive like". Watch him closely in the World Cup he ain't that good, as he showed agaisnt Doyle and the dwarf in the Ireland play-offs.
Yes, Sid, I'm not a great fan of his either, but I'd rather of seen a fit Gallas there than Silvestre any day of week, hell, I'd rather see Terry Mancini there than him.
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Thing is, there’s nothing wrong with that per say but there’s a time & a place & you don’t need to over-commit, just get tight enough that the player cant turn & get a run at you, not Gashley/Jermaine tight! Or you’re liable to get turned easily anyway. Steady #5!
And even then he can do that without diving in. A lot of the time he rushes to get tight but then once in a position to jockey & prevent the player turning he goes through the back of him to try & take the ball instead of biding his time to make the challenge or shepherding him away from danger. More often than not we give away a silly fee-kick as a result.
There’s just been a tendency all season long for his defending to be “last-ditchâ€
