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donaldo wrote:Much too young FFS .We need an experienced top quality keeper who has played at the highest level
Szczesny hasnt even played one top flight game
youngest champions league winning goalkeeper
capped at 19...
he's cocky as fuck and for a keeper that's essential for confidence in both his ability and the confidence of those in front of him. his shot-stopping technique looks excellent and his reflexes are being praised by everyone who sees him. every game he plays for brentford he is normally singled out for pulling off a particularly excellent save...
Let's face it, our fans are extremely crtitical of our keepers. We were talking up Fabianski after his heroics in the LC early last season. Since then he's bombed.
Mannone was being praised more than Chesny too. Then he was given a go and... well you know the rest.
Can you see fans allowing for mistakes and turning around and saying "No matter, he's only a kid... One for the future... He's bound to make a few howlers..."
No.
They'll be cursing saying "Wenger had £45m in the cash till but refused to buy a keeper cos he felt Chesny was better than everything else on the market!!"
Champagne Charlie wrote:Let's face it, our fans are extremely crtitical of our keepers. We were talking up Fabianski after his heroics in the LC early last season. Since then he's bombed.
Mannone was being praised more than Chesny too. Then he was given a go and... well you know the rest.
Can you see fans allowing for mistakes and turning around and saying "No matter, he's only a kid... One for the future... He's bound to make a few howlers..."
No.
They'll be cursing saying "Wenger had £45m in the cash till but refused to buy a keeper cos he felt Chesny was better than everything else on the market!!"
We don't want that scenario. Surely...?
I agree he's not the answer but.....
I don't remember too many talking up Fabianski or Mannone.
He looks like he's got alot of promise, but let's face it, Ben Foster seemed to excel when he was loaned out at Watford a few seasons ago, and look where he's at, at the moment.
I have previously said I wouldn't mind Szczesny being number 2, to a class keeper, but he wouldn't get the required game time. I would like to see him loaned out again to either a premiership or a championship team for next season.
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franksav63 wrote:He looks like he's got alot of promise, but let's face it, Ben Foster seemed to excel when he was loaned out at Watford a few seasons ago, and look where he's at, at the moment.
I have previously said I wouldn't mind Szczesny being number 2, to a class keeper, but he wouldn't get the required game time. I would like to seem him loanded out again to either a premiership or a championship team.
augie wrote:Seriously lads he has been outstanding in league 2 so lets not get all excited yet eh ? We are talking about him playing in the premiership and champs league against some of the best strikers in the world (and behind a porous defence too ) so lets give the kid a chance before we start putting that much pressure on him or his team-mates
It'd be nice to think that we had the next Buffon or Casillas in Szczesny.
However Casillas had some pretty good defenders in front of him and Italians tend produce good keepers. Even though Buffon was capped at 19, it was his move from Parma to Juventus* when he was around 23 (admittedly still very young for GK) that his career took off.
I don't think we have the right climate at Arsenal, be it in our defenders or coaching for such a young goalkeeper in Wally S to cut his teeth.
I quite like Ben Foster - he's a bit of a throwback player - if the pass back rule didn't exist he'd be very good. It's complete pandemonium when he has to use his feet.
I have been saying since before Christmas, that this guy should be the number one. He can not be worse than the 2 we have at the moment.
If Arsene had give him 6 months to prove himself, he could have made a decision on whether he was good enough for the first team. If he was; bloody great. If not, buy a new keeper in the summer.
Now we have the scenario where I can see Wenger coming out and saying "we don't need a new keeper because this guy will be great". Well that's all well and good, but he doesn't have a great track record when it comes to evaluating keepers. On the other hand, we could go out and buy a new keeper and block this guy, when he might just be a Buffon or Casillias.
It really is a wasted opportunity and it fucks me off that we could have been seeing our own version of those great keepers mentioned above, but instead we see second raters who will never be any better than just plain shit!
The worst thing here would be to draw him back from his loan spell and have him sitting on the bench or as the reserves keeper. The best thing would be for him to play first team football, but perhaps in one higher league, such as the Championship. Gives him a chance to face better opposition in a more competative league, aswell as continuous game time.
If he then impresses there we can think about bringing him back and having him play as the number 2, gain some experience, and eventually giving him more and more games. The worst thing would be to rush him back and push him into the deep end.
I'd like to see him as a number two next year. He may be very young but he will be older, if only by 2 months, than Manninger was back in the 97/98 season. He did ok for us, so i say give the lad a Spunky and he will be fine.
i do not know if you said it in jest but my crowd and i have wondered for some time whether our goalkeeper coach is the problem.
peyton was a very ordinary keeper himself and from what i can vaguely remember was indeed suspect on the basics such as catching crosses.
i know fabiansky was highly rated in poland . he may still have a good career but it aint going to be at arsenal. andhe hasbeen coached by peyton. i dont think any coach couldhave done much with aluminium because i have always thought him to be accident waiting to happen but i would love to know what peyton has achieved in his coaching career to justify being our goalkeeper coach.
surely there is role for seaman even if only part time.
the young pole has good breeding and is the real deal. probably is too early but you never know-was not casillas winning a euro cup medal at 19 and he aint turned out too bad
donaldo wrote:Much too young FFS .We need an experienced top quality keeper who has played at the highest level
Szczesny hasnt even played one top flight game
youngest champions league winning goalkeeper
capped at 19...
he's cocky as fuck and for a keeper that's essential for confidence in both his ability and the confidence of those in front of him. his shot-stopping technique looks excellent and his reflexes are being praised by everyone who sees him. every game he plays for brentford he is normally singled out for pulling off a particularly excellent save...
the boy is good, let him play
These players are exceptions to the rule, Pele won the World cup at 18 does that mean every 18 year old will do it? We need a reliable older keeper and when Sczesny matures in 3-5 years then he can take over.
If Szcezny makes a high profile fuck up it could ruin him
Mannone and Almunia to fight it out for number 3 and 4.
Sell Fabianski.
I'd rather Flappy was loaned out, so we can see once and for all what his like with a consistent run in a team.
Wenger has insisted this week that he believes Flappy will become one of the best in the world, and that he will be proved right now, although I accept he's hardly been the best judge of 'keepers, I'm quite happy to put a small amount of faith in Wenger's judgement HOWEVER quite clearly, enough is enough and Flappy shouldn't be allowed to sabotage any more games for Arsenal. So, we should do what Citeh did with Hart... bring in a quality, experienced keeper (Given) and loan out the young pup (Hart) until he's ready!
So, for next season, loan out Flappy.... put Almunia in his rightful place (on the bench!) and sign a proper 'keeper who is readyNOW to play for a big club and not another "prospect"
) so lets give the kid a chance before we start putting that much pressure on him or his team-mates
