Selling Club

GunnerDude · Post by **GunnerDude** » Tue May 18, 2010 11:01 am

Regardless of if this stories have weight or not, I am far from pleased with the reports going around this morning about our Captain being sold.

Do you know how much damage Cesc could do in a team with David Villa, Messi, Pedro, Ibrah, Bojan as his main targets to provide assists

. Cesc has scored and assisted more goals than Xavi has in his entire career, considering Cesc has only had real quality in Henry, Dennis, Robin and AA to target plus making Ade look good.

Should Cesc be sold, there is no one with his current ability and potential given his age the club could bring in that will appease me. Lets not forget the new UEFA home-grown in place from next season and seeing as Cesc is classed as HG, that would be another loose in itself.

Its been long accepted that the previous players we let go were in it for the money or had won everything possible with the club but if Cesc should leave at 22yrs of age with his best years still to come then surely its for footballing reasons

That in itself should hit home the fact our club well and truely lack any form of ambition AND THAT SHOULD BE THE FINAL STRAW!

As fans its time we put up or shut up, the direction the club is going could not be clearer and even Roseys cant be happy with this.

Is this how outspoken we can be?

Rafael MÃ¡rquez is leaving Barca and the Number 4 shirt once worn by Guardiola que Cesc if we let him go

gooner_4_Life 1991 · Post by **gooner_4_Life 1991** » Tue May 18, 2010 11:09 am

Thats a top post mate!

Something needs to drastically change at Arsenal FC cos we are falling more behind every season we lose our top players and dont re invest in quality and dont win anything!

If we aint careful we will end up like Liverpool this season

Champagne Charlie · Post by **Champagne Charlie** » Tue May 18, 2010 11:12 am

We are the world's best finishing school. Have been since 1999.

sycicsid · Post by **sycicsid** » Tue May 18, 2010 11:17 am

and messi is coming the other way.
did you not read the headline in the sun?

Mr FINSBURY PARK GOONER · Tue May 18, 2010 11:18 am

SELL SELL SELL.

Truth is nothing is changing until we deal with the stadium debt.

GunnerDude · Post by **GunnerDude** » Tue May 18, 2010 11:19 am

Still waiting on a reply to my post directed to Swale/BDB

GunnerDude wrote:
Swale_Gooner1985 wrote: No real need to do all this, but the way this has been done is a fair comparison, their first team against ours, and their reserves against ours....and they are stronger on both occassions, they are the best team in the world in my opinion
True but if we are to aspire to greatness then surely somethings have to change.
I posed an argument once on this thread
http://www.onlinegooner.com/phpbb2/view ... hp?t=22685

GunnerDude wrote:Difference between us and Barcelona is in those 6 years 1999-2005 quality players have graced their team and also help raise the quality of the home grown talent.
Players like Luis Figo, Rivaldo, Philip Cocu, Kluivert, Saviola, Ronaldinho, Eto, Deco, Luis Enrique.
You get special players in every great team but even they learn from someone, who are player like Diaby, Denilson, Theo e.t.c learning from?
Yes we dont have the money to buy that kind of talent but we had our own in Henry, Pires, Patrick e.t.c Do you not think Theo/Bendtner would be better player if Thierry was still here or Diaby/Song if Patrick was around.
Now we have a midfield of 19-23yr olds and I am of the believe that we give too many young players who are not ready the chance to start games for us and it is costing us.

Take Pedro from Barca, this is his first full season at age 22 and look how good he is after learning from some greats who have graced the club, now compare that to Bendtner who has been in our first team since he was 19.
With Dennis old and gone and Henry in Barca, he plays alongside Robin who is always injured, Ade(can anyone learn from this) and Eduardo who was adapting to the English game before being psychologically damaged from his injury.

Cesc, Clichy and Robin are the only ones who have had the benefits of learning from and playing alongside quality player in their position and look at them now.
The benefits of experienced players are being reaped by Utd while we let ours go and never replaced them.

http://www.onlinegooner.com/phpbb2/view ... c&start=45

This is the direction our club is going are you happy about it or are you waiting till yet another of our quality/experienced players in Cesc is sold before you voice your concerns?

projoe · Post by **projoe** » Tue May 18, 2010 11:20 am

top post!

something must be done, im fed up with how things are looking. next season a top 4 finish will be a miracle. its us as fans that keep football clubs running, so lets make a stand! (not sure how though

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Post by **flash gunner** » Tue May 18, 2010 11:21 am

Mr FINSBURY PARK GOONER wrote:SELL SELL SELL.

Truth is nothing is changing until we deal with the stadium debt.

Isnt the stadium debt dealt with in the way of a 25 year loan like any other managable mortgage? Why we have to clear it quicker to the detriment of the playing side is a mystery to me

GunnerDude · Post by **GunnerDude** » Tue May 18, 2010 11:21 am

sycicsid wrote:and messi is coming the other way.
did you not read the headline in the sun?

No would rather wait till Pravada.com posts it on their rumour section

Captain Fabregas · Post by **Captain Fabregas** » Tue May 18, 2010 11:27 am

flash gunner wrote:
Mr FINSBURY PARK GOONER wrote:SELL SELL SELL.

Truth is nothing is changing until we deal with the stadium debt.
Isnt the stadium debt dealt with in the way of a 25 year loan like any other managable mortgage? Why we have to clear it quicker to the detriment of the playing side is a mystery to me

I don't know how true these figures are but maybe the dates are correct but this is the information about arsenal's loans etc within the Football Manager database

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Tue May 18, 2010 11:29 am

I've said before. We've been selling for the past 6 years.

In that time players bought verses players sold = +Â£41M.
Yes! That means we've sold way more then we bought.

Mr FINSBURY PARK GOONER · Tue May 18, 2010 11:43 am

flash gunner wrote:
Mr FINSBURY PARK GOONER wrote:SELL SELL SELL.

Truth is nothing is changing until we deal with the stadium debt.
Isnt the stadium debt dealt with in the way of a 25 year loan like any other managable mortgage? Why we have to clear it quicker to the detriment of the playing side is a mystery to me

The quicker you pay of debt. the more money you save in the long term.

Liverpool paid Â£45m to bank as credit on there debt (ouchh) That can buy 8 players let alone 3 which they need.

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Tue May 18, 2010 11:48 am

Captain Fabregas wrote:
flash gunner wrote:
Mr FINSBURY PARK GOONER wrote:SELL SELL SELL.

Truth is nothing is changing until we deal with the stadium debt.
Isnt the stadium debt dealt with in the way of a 25 year loan like any other managable mortgage? Why we have to clear it quicker to the detriment of the playing side is a mystery to me
I don't know how true these figures are but maybe the dates are correct but this is the information about arsenal's loans etc within the Football Manager database

The dates are wrong. Loan until 2035?

Even the Nike 'Kit' contract is saying it expires next month.
That doesn't expire until 2011.

Post by **flash gunner** » Tue May 18, 2010 11:51 am

Mr FINSBURY PARK GOONER wrote:
flash gunner wrote:
Mr FINSBURY PARK GOONER wrote:SELL SELL SELL.

Truth is nothing is changing until we deal with the stadium debt.
Isnt the stadium debt dealt with in the way of a 25 year loan like any other managable mortgage? Why we have to clear it quicker to the detriment of the playing side is a mystery to me

The quicker you pay of debt. the more money you save in the long term.

Liverpool paid Â£45m to bank as credit on there debt (ouchh) That can buy 8 players let alone 3 which they need.

I know the details of paying loans etc but why would they jepardise the short term? We needed a couple of players added to the squad a couple of years ago to keep up with the top teams and then keep that going year on year, the longer we keep selling players the more we need to buy in 10 years or whenever we pay the debt. So we might be on a loser all round by then

Gooner_Sam · Post by **Gooner_Sam** » Tue May 18, 2010 11:55 am

If that is the mentaility of the club its ridiculous,

Selling Fabregas wont benefit us at all financially, lets look at the facts if Fabregas goes:

* Fan will be increasingly apathetic to attend as they have fallen out of love with their club, we expect the best at The Arsenal not fucking Denilson.

If he stays..

* Winning trophies - This enables us to sell ourselves to the world, huge amount of profit is made on club memberships and merchandising, an Utd are several hundreds of millions pounds in debt but are likely to get out of their mess due to they're world profile AND whilst they're in that debt continue to win trophies.

We should be working overtime to make him stay here