As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
USMartin wrote:Is going back to winning the League every 10 or 20 years instead of every two or three or four an acceoatbale retun on the the trust we placed in the club when they decided we had to leave Highbury? Yes or no.
For what the fans pay it is not acceptable. As I said whether it takes a new boss or/and new owners the club is still bigger than any one individual.
This is something some peeps need to get beyond.
It is not a bombshell.
We aren't about to drop off the face of the earth.
Jheeeez.
I think had you stopped at the first l;ine we'd fully agree.
I think you can still be 100% behind and still express dissatisfaction and anger at the state of affairs
Cheers buddy, but I don't need to fully agree with you.
You seem to choose to believe this is the beginning of the end. I don't.
Champagne Charlie wrote:Bet when Brady left peeps thought we'd be even worse off without him too...
Yes we'll find it hard to adjust to life without Cesc (when he goes) but, do you seriously believe we'll never compete for another title again?
Some peeps are being COMPLETELY irrational about this. Whether we do it with Wenger the current board or another manager or a new owner we will back back to the summit.
In the meantime we have to accept we're not able to compete with the success of others and whilst the status quo remains some of our better players will eventually want to win things elsewhere.
A sad fact of life, i'm afraid.
When brady left we went another 8 or 9 fcuking years without winning diddly fcuking squat so I am not sure how that points backs up your arguement
Champagne Charlie wrote:If it takes a transitional period then so be it.Sorry but, everyone's taking this like it's some kind of bombshell. We know he's gonna leave to return to Barca one day. So why the shock and outrage?
Or didn't y'all really beleive he's gonna leave us?
It didn't take Nostradamus to predict it.
In case you have missed it we have been in a transitional period for the last 5 years It is the kind of transition period where you sell all your experienced stars and replace them with unproven kids who will develop by playing out of there depth and getting pastings everytime they face a quality side. In this transition period we will build a team around the only world class player in the squad and when these kids mature we will win every trophy available to win. Great plan but it didnt take into account that when that only world class player decides he aint going to carry around some of the shit players he has to line up alongside every week and fcuks off to his boyhood team then all we are left with is a team of useless *word censored* like diaby, almunia, flapinski, eboue etc
At least I can see an end to that transition period as we now enter a new transition period
To be honest I don't care whether we're in a transition or about to enter another.
I will be sad when Cesc leaves.
I'll be sad when Wenger leaves.
I won't be sad to see the board sell up.
I will be peeved if the Russian buys it.
But someone will eventually come along to replace them all ultimately.
And we'll have someone else to pin our hopes and dreams upon.
What I do know is the club is bigger than anything else.
I think what really bothers people is the realisation that Barca are in a different league to us. Fab going there just confirms what we saw in the two matches this year. It will be a bitter pill for Wenger, but it is hardly surprising. The delusion that we were somehow closer to them than City or Villa turned out to be precisely that. It might serve as a good reality check, especially with the players who also believe the hype and don't put the work or commitment in.
Champagne Charlie wrote:To be honest I don't care whether we're in a transition or about to enter another.
I will be sad when Cesc leaves. I will be devastated
I'll be sad when Wenger leaves. Cant come soon enough for me now
I won't be sad to see the board sell up. Sad ? I will be fcuking overjoyed and I wish they would fcuk off now cos they are a greedy shower of *word censored*
I will be peeved if the Russian buys it. Cesc wouldnt be allowed to just walk away if he was in charge I'll bet
But someone will eventually come along to replace them all ultimately.
And we'll have someone else to pin our hopes and dreams upon.
What I do know is the club is bigger than anything else.
Champagne Charlie wrote:If it takes a transitional period then so be it.Sorry but, everyone's taking this like it's some kind of bombshell. We know he's gonna leave to return to Barca one day. So why the shock and outrage?
Or didn't y'all really beleive he's gonna leave us?
It didn't take Nostradamus to predict it.
In case you have missed it we have been in a transitional period for the last 5 years It is the kind of transition period where you sell all your experienced stars and replace them with unproven kids who will develop by playing out of there depth and getting pastings everytime they face a quality side. In this transition period we will build a team around the only world class player in the squad and when these kids mature we will win every trophy available to win. Great plan but it didnt take into account that when that only world class player decides he aint going to carry around some of the shit players he has to line up alongside every week and fcuks off to his boyhood team then all we are left with is a team of useless c**ts like diaby, almunia, flapinski, eboue etc
At least I can see an end to that transition period as we now enter a new transition period
Its perpetual transition - you could see it coming and I did as far back as when Vieira was sold. You keep falling behind as you sell a key player or two or just as thier replacements catch up to the rest of the team you sell one or two more and start the process all over.
Is this thread the ultimate over-reaction? I'm not sure many people share my views, but in my opinion, Fabregas is highly over-rated. I can't remember many games where he was immense and/or world class. He seemed to be injured for half this season and yet we were still in the title hunt.
Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very good player. But to compare his departure to Henry's or Bergkamp's is laughable. Those players leaving marked the end of an era. This doesn't.
We're still in transition from Vieira's departure in 2005. Fabregas leaving doesn't change that, it just leads to another shuffle.
Bring Back Pires wrote:Is this thread the ultimate over-reaction? I'm not sure many people share my views, but in my opinion, Fabregas is highly over-rated. I can't remember many games where he was immense and/or world class. He seemed to be injured for half this season and yet we were still in the title hunt.
Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very good player. But to compare his departure to Henry's or Bergkamp's is laughable. Those players leaving marked the end of an era. This doesn't.
We're still in transition from Vieira's departure in 2005. Fabregas leaving doesn't change that, it just leads to another shuffle.
Bring Back Pires wrote:Is this thread the ultimate over-reaction? I'm not sure many people share my views, but in my opinion, Fabregas is highly over-rated. I can't remember many games where he was immense and/or world class. He seemed to be injured for half this season and yet we were still in the title hunt.
Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very good player. But to compare his departure to Henry's or Bergkamp's is laughable. Those players leaving marked the end of an era. This doesn't.
We're still in transition from Vieira's departure in 2005. Fabregas leaving doesn't change that, it just leads to another shuffle.
I don't even have time to give any reasons why you are so wrong with this post. You're an IDIOT
Bring Back Pires wrote:Is this thread the ultimate over-reaction? I'm not sure many people share my views, but in my opinion, Fabregas is highly over-rated. I can't remember many games where he was immense and/or world class. He seemed to be injured for half this season and yet we were still in the title hunt.
Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very good player. But to compare his departure to Henry's or Bergkamp's is laughable. Those players leaving marked the end of an era. This doesn't.
We're still in transition from Vieira's departure in 2005. Fabregas leaving doesn't change that, it just leads to another shuffle.
I don't even have time to give any reasons why you are so wrong with this post. You're an IDIOT
Great post. I stated that I was probably in the minority yet was expressing my views nonetheless, and all you can come back with is insults?
When I think of Vieira, Bergkamp, Henry, Pires etc., I can think back to so many highlights they had with the club (not all trophy based), as well as phenomenal games and performances they put in.
For instance, Vieira's cup winning penalty, the goal against Leicester that sealed the unbeaten season, the thunderbolt versus Newcastle, the cracker in the 3-2 victory against Man Utd at Highbury, the cool finish in the 5-4 at Tottenham, etc etc. The list goes on and on.
I think that Fabregas has been a great player, but hasn't made so many memories or had as great an impact as some give him credit for. I honestly don't think he'll be as missed as some people think.
