Is Cesc at fault?

[Champagne Charlie]

Sorry for the 100th Cesc Fabregas thread but it has occurred to me that peeps are venting their anger at the board, Wenger, barca, Balegue, basically everyone else but Cesc.

Consider the plot: Fabregas gives an interview to Spanish media and states he wants his future sorted before he goes to the World Cup.

Well, what future needs sorting?? He just signed a new deal last summer. He's got another 4 years to complete.

Barca may have been caught unawares because of his admission. They are in debt and may only have earmarked Villa as their main signing this summer. This may be the answer for the mooted £30m budget. And it may also be why they haven't made an official approach.
Wenger and the board have said there's nothing to consider as nothing concrete has landed at their door.

Now we are hearing that Cesc has to force the issue by requesting a transfer. He's now in a position where should he hand in a request he could incur the wrath of the fans SHOULD THE DEAL NOT COMPLETE due to Barca's insufficient budget.
If Arsenal decides to dig its heels in and demand a ridiculous fee then it will leave Cesc in the same position as Ade.

It was he who initiated this circus yet because of our blind love of him we're pointing the finger of blame at easier scapegoats.

What do you reckon?

[I Hate Hleb]

What you doing on an Arsenal fans website Juan Laporte? It's £80m or you and Barcelona can feck off!!!

[Champagne Charlie]

Drat and double drat! I've been rumbled

[euphoricone]

Sorry for the 100th Cesc Fabregas thread but it has occurred to me that peeps are venting their anger at the board, Wenger, barca, Balegue, basically everyone else but Cesc.

Consider the plot: Fabregas gives an interview to Spanish media and states he wants his future sorted before he goes to the World Cup.

Well, what future needs sorting?? He just signed a new deal last summer. He's got another 4 years to complete.

Barca may have been caught unawares because of his admission. They are in debt and may only have earmarked Villa as their main signing this summer. This may be the answer for the mooted £30m budget. And it may also be why they haven't made an official approach.
Wenger and the board have said there's nothing to consider as nothing concrete has landed at their door.

Now we are hearing that Cesc has to force the issue by requesting a transfer. He's now in a position where should he hand in a request he could incur the wrath of the fans SHOULD THE DEAL NOT COMPLETE due to Barca's insufficient budget.
If Arsenal decides to dig its heels in and demand a ridiculous fee then it will leave Cesc in the same position as Ade.

It was he who initiated this circus yet because of our blind love of him we're pointing the finger of blame at easier scapegoats.

What do you reckon?

I see your point, and you may be correct.

[marcengels]

This was brought up one of the threads on cesc...surprised you missed it.

For me, I believe that anything in this situation is possible and probable, and it should be at least equal responsibility for Cesc to be straightforward in this as it is for the club.

[GunnerDude]

Read my sig.

[LDB]

Cesc is not blameless in this and besides, when he signed a new deal last year and spent the whole year saying how happy he was at arsenal you cant help but be disappointed in him.

Having said that, cesc is clearly no cashley or cuntybayor. Watching cesc in the red & white made me jizzum in my pants.

The real test of cesc comes from his response next year should the deal fall through. I have faith that should that occur, he will do the right thing.

[MK Gould]

I think the whole thing is a fuck up. But exactly the same sort of fuck up that happens week in week out involving most clubs (Utd with Ronaldo?).

Fabregas has had a decent enough season - when he has played - and as you say, he was happy enough to sign a long term deal only a year ago so that should be end of!! In truth though I think that the only meaning these days of a long term contract is to boost any transfer fee. I don't think any club or player really thinks "oh great, glad to have signed that as it means I don't have to think about my contract for another 4/5 years....".

Fact is that regardless of the length of the contract players do put in transfer requests (which Fabregas hasn't done....yet). And clubs do decide to sell players. Most transfers involve payments, which means that the player must have been under contract.....

Add into that the "pressure" on players to give soundbites and interviews. It must be so easy to say the wrong thing in an unguarded moment or to have a quote taken out of context.

Contrast this mess with both Sol and Chamakh who played until the end of their contracts and then came to us on frees.

Think as well that if we are to buy players this season then the chances are that the fans of those clubs are sitting there happy in the knowledge that their centre half/goalkeeper/midfielder is on a long term contract and therefore not for sale.....yeah, right!!

[Champagne Charlie]

I think the whole thing is a fuck up. But exactly the same sort of fuck up that happens week in week out involving most clubs (Utd with Ronaldo?).

Fabregas has had a decent enough season - when he has played - and as you say, he was happy enough to sign a long term deal only a year ago so that should be end of!! In truth though I think that the only meaning these days of a long term contract is to boost any transfer fee. I don't think any club or player really thinks "oh great, glad to have signed that as it means I don't have to think about my contract for another 4/5 years....".

Fact is that regardless of the length of the contract players do put in transfer requests (which Fabregas hasn't done....yet). And clubs do decide to sell players. Most transfers involve payments, which means that the player must have been under contract.....

Add into that the "pressure" on players to give soundbites and interviews. It must be so easy to say the wrong thing in an unguarded moment or to have a quote taken out of context.

Contrast this mess with both Sol and Chamakh who played until the end of their contracts and then came to us on frees.

Think as well that if we are to buy players this season then the chances are that the fans of those clubs are sitting there happy in the knowledge that their centre half/goalkeeper/midfielder is on a long term contract and therefore not for sale.....yeah, right!!

Yes, that's all well and good but Cesc said

"I would like to know my future before the World Cup..."

My question is why feel the need to say this? All along he's been saying he's happy at Arsenal and now suddenly this. This was not an 'unguarded moment' it was an open come and get me plea to Barca.
I feel there's simply no other way one can construe this.

Now, on the back of this the Barca VP comes out and feels confident enough to say what he did. Rumours abound that because Cesc said that Barca won't have to pay a huge fee.

[OneBardGooner]

I honestly believe there are Numerous Reason's that have contributed to this (almost) silly situation:

Eduardo having his leg broken by Taylor, we went AWOl after that, and then that failure to win what was so within our grasp took it's toll and was further compounded when, both Hleb and Flamoney upped and went (The former thanks to his agent telling him he had a future at barca - yeah sure as a bench warmer) the latter because Hill-Wood had become involved in the negotiations and so they inevitably stalled on giving an answer to flamoney's agent on a 3 year deal...., AW had not foreseen that, and thought like many of us that the team would be twice as strong the following season.... (we came within a gnat's breath of winning the Prem that season and had they stayed - the team would have gelled even more strongly, and there is no doubt in my mind we WOULD have won the Prem) and so the 'Rot' set in on what would have been AW's project...

....then of course that lazy money grabbing whore of a crunt decided not to bother showing up that season.....instead getting his agent to do all he can to sell his lazy ass to the highest bidder, I have it from a reliable source that 1 hour before he put ink to paper for manshitty, his agent was still trying to do a deal with the chavs.....

....and so Cesc lost two of the Four Muskateer's (2 of his best mates he hung out with)......Rosicky get's injured......another muskateer bites the dust......Senderos also a mate of Cesc's is now on the outer fringes of the squad.....Xabi Alonso is ready to sign for us...and what do the board/AW do Feck Up...they won't stump up the extra £0.5 million that would have put him alongside Cesc - both good friends..

....then AW feck's up and doesn't but Given (£6 mill and he says No!)....chain of events etc .....
then not surprisingly cesc (once more) gives his all, but becomes disillusioned with what he see's......no investment other than TV5.....then another season with no trophies.....when all that was needed was 2 players at most and the title could have been ours....and he thinks feck this I'm Offski


So on one hand Cesc can be criticised because he's signed a new extension on his existing contract - the talks surely would have touched on new players coming in...then he breaks his leg in the name of Arsenal...then has too much time to think and spends too many hours with his agent (& family) whispering in his ear!..

[RNTGOONER]

No

[imarocknrollstar]

I honestly believe there are Numerous Reason's that have contributed to this (almost) silly situation:

Eduardo having his leg broken by Taylor, we went AWOl after that, and then that failure to win what was so within our grasp took it's toll and was further compounded when, both Hleb and Flamoney upped and went (The former thanks to his agent telling him he had a future at barca - yeah sure as a bench warmer) the latter because Hill-Wood had become involved in the negotiations and so they inevitably stalled on giving an answer to flamoney's agent on a 3 year deal...., AW had not foreseen that, and thought like many of us that the team would be twice as strong the following season.... (we came within a gnat's breath of winning the Prem that season and had they stayed - the team would have gelled even more strongly, and there is no doubt in my mind we WOULD have won the Prem) and so the 'Rot' set in on what would have been AW's project...

....then of course that lazy money grabbing whore of a crunt decided not to bother showing up that season.....instead getting his agent to do all he can to sell his lazy ass to the highest bidder, I have it from a reliable source that 1 hour before he put ink to paper for manshitty, his agent was still trying to do a deal with the chavs.....

....and so Cesc lost two of the Four Muskateer's (2 of his best mates he hung out with)......Rosicky get's injured......another muskateer bites the dust......Senderos also a mate of Cesc's is now on the outer fringes of the squad.....Xabi Alonso is ready to sign for us...and what do the board/AW do Feck Up...they won't stump up the extra £0.5 million that would have put him alongside Cesc - both good friends..

....then AW feck's up and doesn't but Given (£6 mill and he says No!)....chain of events etc .....
then not surprisingly cesc (once more) gives his all, but becomes disillusioned with what he see's......no investment other than TV5.....then another season with no trophies.....when all that was needed was 2 players at most and the title could have been ours....and he thinks feck this I'm Offski


So on one hand Cesc can be criticised because he's signed a new extension on his existing contract - the talks surely would have touched on new players coming in...then he breaks his leg in the name of Arsenal...then has too much time to think and spends too many hours with his agent (& family) whispering in his ear!..

Bang on!

[USMartin]

He's only at fauly IF the changes he thought needed to be made were actually being made.

Otherwise this is a bit of a red herring no?

The reality is that if a top player wants to compete to win top prizes and his club do not share the same ambition - which appears to clearly be the case - then you cannot be surprized if he doubts his future with a club or even wants to leave for a club matching his ambitions, and basically that's that.

[Champagne Charlie]

He's only at fauly IF the changes he thought needed to be made were actually being made.

Otherwise this is a bit of a red herring no?

The reality is that if a top player wants to compete to win top prizes and his club do not share the same ambition - which appears to clearly be the case - then you cannot be surprized if he doubts his future with a club or even wants to leave for a club matching his ambitions, and basically that's that.

If he's unhappy and wants to leave then he should hand in a transfer request, no?

Or maybe it's better to make thinly veiled pleas in front of the world's media?

As I said, Ade did pretty much the same thing and was pilloried for it.

Yet still folks here would rather pull their own eyes out than actually admit he's prostituting himself.

Barca I believe had little real desire to make a bid for him until he himself did this. Now they're scrambling around robbing Pedro to pay Peter cos they know £30m won't even get Arsenal to pick up the phone.

[potter]

I honestly believe there are Numerous Reason's that have contributed to this (almost) silly situation:

Eduardo having his leg broken by Taylor, we went AWOl after that, and then that failure to win what was so within our grasp took it's toll and was further compounded when, both Hleb and Flamoney upped and went (The former thanks to his agent telling him he had a future at barca - yeah sure as a bench warmer) the latter because Hill-Wood had become involved in the negotiations and so they inevitably stalled on giving an answer to flamoney's agent on a 3 year deal...., AW had not foreseen that, and thought like many of us that the team would be twice as strong the following season.... (we came within a gnat's breath of winning the Prem that season and had they stayed - the team would have gelled even more strongly, and there is no doubt in my mind we WOULD have won the Prem) and so the 'Rot' set in on what would have been AW's project...

....then of course that lazy money grabbing whore of a crunt decided not to bother showing up that season.....instead getting his agent to do all he can to sell his lazy ass to the highest bidder, I have it from a reliable source that 1 hour before he put ink to paper for manshitty, his agent was still trying to do a deal with the chavs.....

....and so Cesc lost two of the Four Muskateer's (2 of his best mates he hung out with)......Rosicky get's injured......another muskateer bites the dust......Senderos also a mate of Cesc's is now on the outer fringes of the squad.....Xabi Alonso is ready to sign for us...and what do the board/AW do Feck Up...they won't stump up the extra £0.5 million that would have put him alongside Cesc - both good friends..

....then AW feck's up and doesn't but Given (£6 mill and he says No!)....chain of events etc .....
then not surprisingly cesc (once more) gives his all, but becomes disillusioned with what he see's......no investment other than TV5.....then another season with no trophies.....when all that was needed was 2 players at most and the title could have been ours....and he thinks feck this I'm Offski


So on one hand Cesc can be criticised because he's signed a new extension on his existing contract - the talks surely would have touched on new players coming in...then he breaks his leg in the name of Arsenal...then has too much time to think and spends too many hours with his agent (& family) whispering in his ear!..

Compound this with having to sit amongst his friends in the stands at the Camp Nou and watch a spineless bunch roll over and capitulate. Is it any wonder the doubts have come flooding in.