FISZMAN'S SHARES- WHAT IF .......

[georgeknows89]

I HEARD FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE IN SWITZERLAND THAT HIS HEALTH HAS GOT WORSE AND GONE SOMEWHERE, POSSIBLY THE STATES, TO TRY AND GET SOME TREATMENT

WHAT HAPPENS ,IF HE WAS TO BECOME SO ILL OR EVEN TRAGICALLY DIE IN THE NEAR FUTURE WITH HIS 16 % SHAREHOLDING ?

HAS HE AGREED A DEAL WITH STAN THE MAN ALREADY ?

WE REALLY ARE IN NO MANS LAND AS A CLUB MOVING FORWARD AT THE MOMENT- WE HAVE ROUGHLY 30% AND 27% WITH STAN AND UZZI AND THEN 16% WITH AN ILL MAN AND 15% BEING PIMPED AROUND THE MARKET BY LADY NINA

[Kiki]

BEING PIMPED AROUND THE MARKET BY LADY NINA

That's harsh.

[USMartin]

I HEARD FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE IN SWITZERLAND THAT HIS HEALTH HAS GOT WORSE AND GONE SOMEWHERE, POSSIBLY THE STATES, TO TRY AND GET SOME TREATMENT

WHAT HAPPENS ,IF HE WAS TO BECOME SO ILL OR EVEN TRAGICALLY DIE IN THE NEAR FUTURE WITH HIS 16 % SHAREHOLDING ?

HAS HE AGREED A DEAL WITH STAN THE MAN ALREADY ?

WE REALLY ARE IN NO MANS LAND AS A CLUB MOVING FORWARD AT THE MOMENT- WE HAVE ROUGHLY 30% AND 27% WITH STAN AND UZZI AND THEN 16% WITH AN ILL MAN AND 15% BEING PIMPED AROUND THE MARKET BY LADY NINA

I have not heard he is in the States but that is very unfortunate. He is in my thoughts and prayers as is his family of course.

But there is still the issue of what happens to the football club at this point as the club will move on in any event.

I agree very much with your concern here, though its even more disconcerting when you consider that Stan Kroenke's main concern now is buying the St Louis Rams and retaining his other major American Sports Franchises. It seems no matter the reasons and circumstances that right now Arsenal is becoming a rudderless ship, and one seriously wonders at this point if this isn't why no more money is available at this point - whether anyone is available to make the decision to make the money available.

While obviously in Mr. Fiszman's case this would be understandable, the fact that there seems to be no one with real decision-making power present at the club in the Board Room is very worrying, and it clearly seems to be an unintended or unanticipated consequence of a number of self-interested decisions taken by the Board from 2005 forward. Hopefully there is someone inside the club ready to step up and into the breach on behalf of the club and for the football team or else the situation could go from bad to worse very quickly.

[QuartzGooner]

I think the club is moving forward, with a new stadium and re-developed training grounds. Plus a new overseas marketing push and a slew of new managerial staff on the admin side.

The team has clearly gone backwards the past two seasons. Just hope Wenger addresses obvious weaknesses this summer, brings in five new players and a defensive coach.

As for the boardroom, we have had multiple owners for ages now, and it appears that Kroenke is pulling most of the strings at that level anyway, without him having an official "ownership" of the club.
Shares changing hands at boardroom level is fascinating, but only affects the club if a new broom comes on board with big ideas or a certain way of running things.

[Kiki]

Thing that annoysme about Kroenke is that he hs said absolutely nothing about his plans for us. If that was Usmanov, no doubt certain sections would be baying for blood.

I dunno about the rest of you but the American model of tha I've seen t Villa, Liverpool and Man U would worry me.

How or why the media have chosen to ignore the debt that Villa have gotten into i dont know.

[QuartzGooner]

How or why the media have chosen to ignore the debt that Villa have gotten into i dont know.

What debt? How much is it?

Last thing I read was that they were £4M in debt, which could be easily wiped out by the sale of a couple of squad players.

[Kiki]

How or why the media have chosen to ignore the debt that Villa have gotten into i dont know.

What debt? How much is it?

Last thing I read was that they were £4M in debt, which could be easily wiped out by the sale of a couple of squad players.

First of all, I read around two months ago about how they would be refused a loan if they wantd one. Read that in on of the British broadsheets online. If I can find it again I will post it.

Secondly, only ourselves and Spur*s would be able to enter Euro Comps if thedebt rule were brought out from next seaosn therefore they must be in the red.

They have spet a heap of money that wasnt afforded to previous managers under 'deadly Doug' but Martin O'Neill is a media darling therefore h seems to ecape the scrutiny,

[USMartin]

"Nothing to see here everything is fine .."

"Any relationship between the lack in investment in the team and the sale of skyrocketing shares since that investment ended is purely coincidental"

...Right....

[USMartin]

What's REALLY worrying now is that the current situation basically has left Arsenal basically being run by - OH DEAR - Peter Hill-Wood whose up to usual tricks again (no link for this story yet saw it elsewhere)

Our favourite old Etonian went on to give his viewpoint on the current financial madness surrounding players wages, a direct dig at Gallas’s contract demands.

“He is asking for too much for too long. Players are going to have to learn some time that money doesn’t grow on trees.â€

[augie]

How or why the media have chosen to ignore the debt that Villa have gotten into i dont know.

What debt? How much is it?

Last thing I read was that they were £4M in debt, which could be easily wiped out by the sale of a couple of squad players.

First of all, I read around two months ago about how they would be refused a loan if they wantd one. Read that in on of the British broadsheets online. If I can find it again I will post it.

Secondly, only ourselves and Spur*s would be able to enter Euro Comps if thedebt rule were brought out from next seaosn therefore they must be in the red.
They have spet a heap of money that wasnt afforded to previous managers under 'deadly Doug' but Martin O'Neill is a media darling therefore h seems to ecape the scrutiny,

I thought, and I may well be wrong here, is that the criteria is that no club can spend more than they make in any season therefore, if I am correct, that surely can only focus in the previous season and cannot take into account any longer standing debt ? Maybe I could understand if they expanded it to the previous three years but if a club has altered the way it operates and is making a profit for the last number of seasons thus knocking a small bit of a long term loan then they could not be prevented from playing in europe. Therefore any pre-existing debt villa would have should make absolutely no difference whatsoever

[stg]

Sorry to go off track abit but the thing with the PHW comments about Gallas I think are true he is asking to much money. He is 33 in Aug and wants a 2 year contract worth £80K per week.

If he wanted to stay at Arsenal so much why has he let his contract run down to the last min? As Arseblog said he let his contract run down thinking there would be lots of offers but there hasnt been and now he is trying to put the blame on the Arsenal board for not offering him what he wants.

usmartin you obviously have a major problem even dislike of everything to do with the Arsenal board. I would say that PHW has very little to do with the day to day running of Arsenal Football club. Mr Kronenke has invested a lot of time effort and money into Arsenal football club and as a buisnessman I would suspect that he is able to look after the intrests of more than one buisness deal at one time. I would also suspect that he has close contact with Mr Gazidis (maybe Mr Wenger) over the running of the football club.

I would also think that there is a financial buisness plan in place over a number of years that Mr Glazidis and Mr Wenger are aware of regarding the buying, selling and renegotiating of players contracts.

Do you really think that a business the size of Arsenal football club are just roaming aimless through the years not knowing what money is available to the manager. I would imagine the situation would run along the lines of-
year 1 =money available to manager x mil £'s(say 20 mil) + sales of players
year 2 =money available to manager x mil £'s(20 mil) plus a % of profit(or turnover) + sales of players
and so on.

It is also funny how usmartin always seems to go back to the leaving of DD as the start of the self intrest of the board. Implying that DD had no self intrest whatsoever!!!!!!!!

[merson_is_god]

Get well soon Mr Fiszman, thoughts are with you and your loved ones.

[flash gunner]

oh fuck USMartin and Quartz are off again



Only joking lads

[USMartin]

Sorry to go off track abit but the thing with the PHW comments about Gallas I think are true he is asking to much money. He is 33 in Aug and wants a 2 year contract worth £80K per week.

If he wanted to stay at Arsenal so much why has he let his contract run down to the last min? As Arseblog said he let his contract run down thinking there would be lots of offers but there hasnt been and now he is trying to put the blame on the Arsenal board for not offering him what he wants

As soon as I read the bit about Arseblog I know we were gonna be good friends. Using Arseblog an as objective source of information gave that away

usmartin you obviously have a major problem even dislike of everything to do with the Arsenal board.

Not true actually. I DO obviously dislike what they have done in recent years and its impact upon the club, and I simply want the Board to live up to its promise of behaving first and last as custodians of the club and protecting the club’s best interests as they have in our past, and believe they have failed to do so since really 2005 or a bit earlier even. I also want them to live up to the standard of conduct that previous generations of Boards have that genuinely earned the faith and trust of supporters over the years and I would say even this generation had lived up to really until 2005 or so.

We should never forget that this is basically the same Board that provided the financial support to Arsene Wenger from 1998-2005 during the single most competitvely successful period in the club’s disappointing. This is why what they have done since 2005 was so frustrating then disappointing is now beyond frustrating and disappointing to genuinely worrying given the shift in power in the Premiership now even.

Personally given my own personality I might very well like all the Board members if I actually knew them well enough to like or dislike, even Mr. Hill-Wood as he certainly seems a lively and entertaining sort if nothing else

I would say that PHW has very little to do with the day to day running of Arsenal Football club. Mr Kronenke has invested a lot of time effort and money into Arsenal football club and as a buisnessman I would suspect that he is able to look after the intrests of more than one buisness deal at one time. I would also suspect that he has close contact with Mr Gazidis (maybe Mr Wenger) over the running of the football club.

Normally I would agree – but these are not normal times, obviously, and the summer transfer window is the worst such time for these circumstances to come together. To have ZERO major shareholders inn London focused on helping the manager dealing with transfer business is very very worrying. As I said earlier Mr. Hill-Wood (who DOES KNOW the people he is expressing his views about) seems to genuinely dislike football players and the idea of paying modern competitive wages really. I might actually agree in some individual cases about this with his assessment as with Gallas.

The problem is this is always his assessment or so it seems no matter who the player is. And its not just the money. It’s the tone in his comments. Its really very insulting and condescending even flatly hostile and arrogant and cannot help the club or especially the manager when dealing with trying to keep or obtain key players here.

And given all that if you say believe our lack of spending is down to our “stubborn spendthriftâ€

[franksav63]

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