THE PROJOE TOTALLY POINTLESS TRANSFER RUMOUR THREAD

[RaM]

Is a Goalkeeper who makes a mistake "every now and again" really what we need?

Almunia only makes mistakes "every now and again" and look where this gets us.

Why aren't we allowed to sign a Goalkeeper that doesn't have a reputation for fucking things up?

Because lately all goalkeepers seem to do just that?



I'd never really watched Lloris until this World Cup, and for all the praise he seems to get, he makes Fabianski look decent at claiming crosses.

Good shot stopper yes, but far from perfect.

[cusamano]

Good shot stopper yes, but far from perfect.

What or who on earth is perfect

[augie]

Good shot stopper yes, but far from perfect.

What or who on earth is perfect

Me

[cusamano]

Good shot stopper yes, but far from perfect.

What or who on earth is perfect

Me

poser!

[RaM]

Good shot stopper yes, but far from perfect.

What or who on earth is perfect

I'm not the one criticising every keeper we're linked with!



In fact my post agrees with yours, in pointing out that Lloris is no extraordinary keeper - he's flawed like any other!

[augie]

Good shot stopper yes, but far from perfect.

What or who on earth is perfect

I'm not the one criticising every keeper we're linked with!



In fact my post agrees with yours, in pointing out that Lloris is no extraordinary keeper - he's flawed like any other!

Maybe so but he is streets ahead of schwarzer and (pardon my use of analogy) but most of the time when you pay peanuts you get monkeys

[RaM]

Good shot stopper yes, but far from perfect.

What or who on earth is perfect

I'm not the one criticising every keeper we're linked with!



In fact my post agrees with yours, in pointing out that Lloris is no extraordinary keeper - he's flawed like any other!

Maybe so but he is streets ahead of schwarzer and (pardon my use of analogy) but most of the time when you pay peanuts you get monkeys

But we need to realise that unfortunately Arsenal will try their best to spend in peanuts. Even then it will be as few peanuts as possible on a goalkeeper!

My main point was that we cannot think like this:

Is a Goalkeeper who makes a mistake "every now and again" really what we need?

Because every goalkeeper makes mistakes.

[GunnerDude]

Okay I think its time we start being pragmatic about Mark Schwarzer being our No.1 because as much as we all want a new goalie who would definately cost £15+mill it aint going to happen.

Premier League Facts.

08/09

Almunia 32games 86saves 26conceeded, Arsenal 37goals conceeded in 38games

Schwarzer 38games 143saves 34conceeded, Fulham 34goals conceeded in 38games

09/10

Almunia 29games 56saves 31conceeded, Arsenal 41goals conceeded in 38games

Schwarzer 37games 121saves 45conceeded, Fulham 46goals conceeded in 38games

Comparing both defences its clear Schwarzer has always had more to do but still manages a better saves to goals conceeded ratio.
Age should not be a concern as Van der Sar has proven to be a vital part of Utd's success over the last few years. Plus Mark as fit as they come, having played an average of 36 league games in the last 4seasons.

So by all accounts, saying Schwarzer makes mistakes "every now and again" is abit far-fetched considering the amount of activity infront of his goal and the level of concentration he has to maintain to keep the opposition out and his team in the game.

[Bergkamp-Genius]

I don't think there is any doubt Schwarzer is a better keeper than Al, but i don't think he is as good as we should be aiming for and i don't like the idea of us buying a guy his age.
We need a keeper we can build a defence around someone who is gonna be with us for at least 5 years not someone we are going to have to replace again in 2 seasons..

As for the stats you showed Dude, whilst i'm not debating whether Schwarzer is a better keeper than Al or not, those stats mean very little. I'm sure there are keepers in the lower leagues and non league football if the same stats were applied to them they would appear to be better than Schwarzer, doesn't make it so though...

[augie]

Yet again wenger is placing all his eggs in the future development of a young player department How many more times is he going to get burnt this way before he learns his fcuking lesson ? What proof has he that the young polish keeper is going to be good enough in the next couple of years ? Did he have the same belief in theo, denilson, aliadaire, diaby etc ? FFS wenger go out and buy a quality keeper that we can build a team around for the next 5 years and if we havent enough cash to do so at the moment then go and sell a few of your "less worthy" players (diaby, theo or bendtner for starters) cos skimping on a keeper is just not good business and I would have thought that you would have learnt that lesson by now

[marcengels]

Yet again wenger is placing all his eggs in the future development of a young player department How many more times is he going to get burnt this way before he learns his fcuking lesson ? What proof has he that the young polish keeper is going to be good enough in the next couple of years ? Did he have the same belief in theo, denilson, aliadaire, diaby etc ? FFS wenger go out and buy a quality keeper that we can build a team around for the next 5 years and if we havent enough cash to do so at the moment then go and sell a few of your "less worthy" players (diaby, theo or bendtner for starters) cos skimping on a keeper is just not good business and I would have thought that you would have learnt that lesson by now

Right augie, it's clear that Fabianski is the great white hope, and that Schwarzer would be stop gap until Wenger thinks Fabianski becomes the world class stopper he believes he will. How Fabianski develops without actually playing is then another matter (will he send Fabianski out on loan?)

[GunnerDude]

I don't think there is any doubt Schwarzer is a better keeper than Al, but i don't think he is as good as we should be aiming for and i don't like the idea of us buying a guy his age.
We need a keeper we can build a defence around someone who is gonna be with us for at least 5 years not someone we are going to have to replace again in 2 seasons..

As for the stats you showed Dude, whilst i'm not debating whether Schwarzer is a better keeper than Al or not, those stats mean very little. I'm sure there are keepers in the lower leagues and non league football if the same stats were applied to them they would appear to be better than Schwarzer, doesn't make it so though...

Sadly I dont see it that way considering the level of opposition a lower league goalie has to put up with.
Unlike out-field players, a goalkeeper's stats are actually more viable as there are less variables to consider to determine how effective they are to the team.
i.e out-field player; number of passes, number of passes that lead to a chance, distance covered, pass accuracy e.t.c
while a goalie is as simple as the shots saved, number of clearances(punches/rushing out kicks), kicking/throwing accuracy and goals conceeded.

Schwarzer will give us 2-3yrs and if we are to believe the hype around Wojciech Szczesny(would be 23yrs old by then) surely he will take over, or do we sign a long term goalie and leave Szcz who might be quality sitting on the bench. Remember Petr Cech started for Chelsea age 22.

p.s I have already conceeded that we would not sign a long term replacement and I would take anyone better than Al at the moment.

[Bergkamp-Genius]

Yet again wenger is placing all his eggs in the future development of a young player department How many more times is he going to get burnt this way before he learns his fcuking lesson ? What proof has he that the young polish keeper is going to be good enough in the next couple of years ? Did he have the same belief in theo, denilson, aliadaire, diaby etc ? FFS wenger go out and buy a quality keeper that we can build a team around for the next 5 years and if we havent enough cash to do so at the moment then go and sell a few of your "less worthy" players (diaby, theo or bendtner for starters) cos skimping on a keeper is just not good business and I would have thought that you would have learnt that lesson by now

Right augie, it's clear that Fabianski is the great white hope, and that Schwarzer would be stop gap until Wenger thinks Fabianski becomes the world class stopper he believes he will. How Fabianski develops without actually playing is then another matter (will he send Fabianski out on loan?)

Oh god i hope so....permanent loan...

[Bergkamp-Genius]

I don't think there is any doubt Schwarzer is a better keeper than Al, but i don't think he is as good as we should be aiming for and i don't like the idea of us buying a guy his age.
We need a keeper we can build a defence around someone who is gonna be with us for at least 5 years not someone we are going to have to replace again in 2 seasons..

As for the stats you showed Dude, whilst i'm not debating whether Schwarzer is a better keeper than Al or not, those stats mean very little. I'm sure there are keepers in the lower leagues and non league football if the same stats were applied to them they would appear to be better than Schwarzer, doesn't make it so though...

Sadly I dont see it that way considering the level of opposition a lower league goalie has to put up with.
Unlike out-field players, a goalkeeper's stats are actually more viable as there are less variables to consider to determine how effective they are to the team.
i.e out-field player; number of passes, number of passes that lead to a chance, distance covered, pass accuracy e.t.c
while a goalie is as simple as the shots saved, number of clearances(punches/rushing out kicks), kicking/throwing accuracy and goals conceeded.

Schwarzer will give us 2-3yrs and if we are to believe the hype around Wojciech Szczesny(would be 23yrs old by then) surely he will take over, or do we sign a long term goalie and leave Szcz who might be quality sitting on the bench. Remember Petr Cech started for Chelsea age 22.

p.s I have already conceeded that we would not sign a long term replacement and I would take anyone better than Al at the moment.

Actually the same problems arise with stats for goalies as do with outfield players...you have no idea what kind of shots he is stopping or what kind of balls he is punching... lesser teams are going to have more action in around their own box but most of it is going to be of a less serious nature so it will be easier to build up good stats and easier to hide the goal and points losing howlers in amongst those stats. At a big club you can't hide those howlers and of the little you have to do a lot of it will be serious not just nothing crosses and powder puff shots ...

I understand you don't have much confidence in Wenger buying the kind of keeper he should, neither do i, so obviously Schwarzer would be better than nothing.. But i prefer to just keep telling myself Wenger has finally learnt his lesson and will do the necessary, so i can't bring myself to make do with the likes of Schwarzer though no doubt come the start of the season i will be wishing we had...

[EC3]

Send Fabianski out on loan?..............who to The Fox and Hounds or Hare and Ferret?