As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
AA23Northbank wrote:I'm not reading much into the fact that Koscielny hasn't played for France as Domenech is a stupid idiot and doesn't have a clue what he's doing as proven in the World Cup (leaving Nasri, Ben Arfa and Benzema all behind, even though Benzema hasn't had a great season he's better than the majority of French strikers who went)
That's a perfectly reasonable analysis Domenech is well, shit as a manager(watch this Board hire him if Mr. Wenger leaves since he's French and all )and I wouldn't let him within a MILLION miles of my team.
Having said that all those other player HAVE played for France internationally, and there's that matter of him never playing for Poland either..
I think if we brought in a PROVEN defender this year then Koscieny now or next year there'd be far fewer doubters about the wisdom of this decision. You can't just keep counting on lightning in a bottle either.
mikeyb772001 wrote:its fucking crazy that we would spend that kind of money on him. Ther are teams way below us putting in bids for far better defenders. Is it that this is all we can attract or is it still project Wenger?????
How do you know he isnt a good defender? He seems to get rave reviews from those that have watched him regularly and Wenger doesnt usually part with that sort of money on a "hit and hope basis" - Jeffers apart!!
Arsenal have always been secretive in transfer dealings and Wenger has got form when picking "unknowns" that turn out to be very good players.
I wouldnt get on Wengers back just yet over this one.
Then if he is NOT any good or good enough and MikeyB points it out how long before you accuse him of using hindsight?
That's not the point, is it.
Mike said that worse clubs than us are putting in bids for BETTER defenders than Koscielny... he also doesn't think Koscielny is worth £9m or so - But whether Mike is proved right or wrong isn't the point, as he's not basing it on anything but guesswork. He's probably never even seen the lad play, so his opinion is worth nothing! (sorry Mike )
It's the same as me criticising a player who plays for Flamengo even though I've never seen him play. Yes, I'm allowed an opinion (it's a free world, after all) but my opinion would be worth jack shit, and rightly so!
Lets at least wait until we've seen the lad play before we right him off, eh! -
Fair point matey. However should we be making such gambles at this stage? We have no room for error at all especially in defence. I am not saying he is going to be shit, just that he might be.
This is very unsettling to be honest and I feel we really need to sort out the defence as it’s our weakest area. Just seems that other teams are buying stronger more well known players.
I hope he is good i dont like being negative with new players. If it was a unknown midfielder or striker i wouldnt have such strong views.
mikeyb772001 wrote:its fucking crazy that we would spend that kind of money on him. Ther are teams way below us putting in bids for far better defenders. Is it that this is all we can attract or is it still project Wenger?????
How do you know he isnt a good defender? He seems to get rave reviews from those that have watched him regularly and Wenger doesnt usually part with that sort of money on a "hit and hope basis" - Jeffers apart!!
Arsenal have always been secretive in transfer dealings and Wenger has got form when picking "unknowns" that turn out to be very good players.
I wouldnt get on Wengers back just yet over this one.
Then if he is NOT any good or good enough and MikeyB points it out how long before you accuse him of using hindsight?
That's not the point, is it.
Mike said that worse clubs than us are putting in bids for BETTER defenders than Koscielny... he also doesn't think Koscielny is worth £9m or so - But whether Mike is proved right or wrong isn't the point, as he's not basing it on anything but guesswork. He's probably never even seen the lad play, so his opinion is worth nothing! (sorry Mike )
It's the same as me criticising a player who plays for Flamengo even though I've never seen him play. Yes, I'm allowed an opinion (it's a free world, after all) but my opinion would be worth jack shit, and rightly so!
Lets at least wait until we've seen the lad play before we right him off, eh! -
Fair point matey. However should we be making such gambles at this stage? We have no room for error at all especially in defence. I am not saying he is going to be shit, just that he might be.
This is very unsettling to be honest and I feel we really need to sort out the defence as it’s our weakest area. Just seems that other teams are buying stronger more well known players.
I hope he is good i dont like being negative with new players. If it was a unknown midfielder or striker i wouldnt have such strong views.
i think the point is he may never be an arsenal player so were way ahead of ourselves in the debate.
Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:
How do you know he isnt a good defender? He seems to get rave reviews from those that have watched him regularly and Wenger doesnt usually part with that sort of money on a "hit and hope basis" - Jeffers apart!!
Arsenal have always been secretive in transfer dealings and Wenger has got form when picking "unknowns" that turn out to be very good players.
I wouldnt get on Wengers back just yet over this one.
Then if he is NOT any good or good enough and MikeyB points it out how long before you accuse him of using hindsight?
That's not the point, is it.
Mike said that worse clubs than us are putting in bids for BETTER defenders than Koscielny... he also doesn't think Koscielny is worth £9m or so - But whether Mike is proved right or wrong isn't the point, as he's not basing it on anything but guesswork. He's probably never even seen the lad play, so his opinion is worth nothing! (sorry Mike )
It's the same as me criticising a player who plays for Flamengo even though I've never seen him play. Yes, I'm allowed an opinion (it's a free world, after all) but my opinion would be worth jack shit, and rightly so!
Lets at least wait until we've seen the lad play before we right him off, eh! -
Fair point matey. However should we be making such gambles at this stage? We have no room for error at all especially in defence. I am not saying he is going to be shit, just that he might be.
This is very unsettling to be honest and I feel we really need to sort out the defence as it’s our weakest area. Just seems that other teams are buying stronger more well known players.
I hope he is good i dont like being negative with new players. If it was a unknown midfielder or striker i wouldnt have such strong views.
i think the point is he may never be an arsenal player so were way ahead of ourselves in the debate.
I have a gut feeling he will be. He has wengers name all over him!
until he does tho the debate is kind of pointless, do you not agree....especially the debate of how good he is.....i will go on record to say i dont think this deal will happen. and am convinced this wont happen, you always seem to be able to tell what is deals are really on the card....i cant see it happening.
Its a web rumour....even the papers arent buying into this one.
mikeyb772001 wrote:
Fair point matey. However should we be making such gambles at this stage? We have no room for error at all especially in defence. I am not saying he is going to be shit, just that he might be.
This is very unsettling to be honest and I feel we really need to sort out the defence as it’s our weakest area. Just seems that other teams are buying stronger more well known players.
I hope he is good i dont like being negative with new players. If it was a unknown midfielder or striker i wouldnt have such strong views.
You're right to be sceptical. It's a lot of money (by our standards) to buy a player with such little top level experience - I'm very concerned myself, mate
It was more the wording of your post, by suggesting other teams were after BETTER defenders. You might be right, but we know so little about this chap that it's just matter of wait and see, I guess
I'm clinging to the fact that Wenger/Arsenal really don't like spending money, yet seem close to parting with up to £10m for a relative unknown! - clearly Wenger is very impressed by this lad, so fingers crossed he's right! - the success or failure of our season just may depend on it...
We both agree on that then!!
Surely Wenger now knows he has to spend bigger than he ever has. As he puts it 3rd or 4th spot is like a trophy and he has to spend this year to achieve that. The way Citeh are spending and even spuds it’s going to be tough next season. Spending 20 mil on a player could make all the difference.
mikeyb772001 wrote:We both agree on that then!!
Surely Wenger now knows he has to spend bigger than he ever has. As he puts it 3rd or 4th spot is like a trophy and he has to spend this year to achieve that. The way Citeh are spending and even spuds it’s going to be tough next season. Spending 20 mil on a player could make all the difference.
Mikey if im voted mod you can be part of my set up.......say transfer rumour manager who talks a bit a sense?(projoe can be the opposite )
The argument of whether we should be gambling or not is irrelevant every transfer is a gamble no matter the name or value.
Look at Veron at Utd or Shevchenko at Chelski both big names, been there, done it type of players with huge price tags but were they a success?
Until a player is signed, playing in the team and in the league you can't tell how good or a bad a player he will be for you as there are a lot of factors. Will he adapt to the team, will he adapt to the league etc
This is mainly true for foreign players but can be true for English players as well, a player who scores a lot of goals for say a Bolton may not score a lot of goals for us due to style of play etc
Domenech is well, shit as a manager(watch this Board hire him if Mr. Wenger leaves since he's French and all 
