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BelgianGooner wrote:Welcome to the club Koscielny... But I have to say we've paid too much for you!!!
Have you seen him play then?
Exactly, you haven't seen him play so STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quit talking shit until you see him play then you can judge him!! Would you rather have him or Sylvester?! FFS!!!!!!!!
Try and understand what he's trying to say. Hes played at a french side for ONE SEASON (league 1 ), there were NO COMPETITORS for the signing of this man, what makes his price 8.5 or 10?. .
Thanks euphoricone... Take your time before reading posts!!!
euphoricone wrote:there were NO COMPETITORS for the signing of this man, what makes his price 8.5 or 10?. .
Well, that's probably fairly obvious.
You say there were no competitors, which suggests you think Arsenal could just waltz in and get their man... but what about his club, Lorient?? do they not count? surely, as Koscielny was under contract, the fact that Lorient were reluctant to let their prize asset leave was the reason the price was high? after all, if the selling club don't have to sell, and don't want to sell, then it's only right that Arsenal use money to change their minds. I think it's called.... business!
rigsby wrote:All I'll say is Steve Bould played for Stoke when we signed him
and how much did we pay for him ? You also cannot escape the fact that the english league was a very primitive place back then and tough centre backs like bouldie were exactly what were needed whilst nowadays there are some shit hot attacking players with great technical ability that this guy will not have faced in ligue 2
I can't fathom the fact people are judging a player they have probably rarely seen just because they havn't heard of him. None of us can judge him until he gets a fair crack of the whip, some people were saying the same things about TV last year "too short, not played at the top level" - and look how that turned out. For Wenger to splash a reported £10m, he must have something about him, but none of us will be sure until he plays. Yes, he is unproven in the Prem - but 99% of players that join the Prem are, some float some sink - every transfer is a risk - but im sure we have done our homework on ths guy internally for him to be worth a shot. I actually think signing a "name" player has its own problems - bigger fee's, presure to succeed from the off and are usually under more critism if they do not perform, say to the level they did at a World Cup.
At least when Denilson gets a bashing people are judging it on something they have seen - this is madness, we all wanted signings and we are getting them, Arsene makes the decisions and he will stand and fall by them - but we cannot judge his signings before they have even had a training session - we should be positive in the fact that Wenger is making changes, not moan when we dont get signings then moan when we do!
We all agree that 2 CBs, a GK and a Striker were the minimum needed - Wenger seems to be adressing those very things and seems to be actively looking for more, he said he would make wholesale changes if the team didnt acheive last season, so lets wait and see, I for one can't wait.
Ribery was playing in french 3rd division, and 3 years later he was playing for Bayern Munich. There's a lot of players who had this kind of career, big french clubs have shit scouts ..
A non-Arsenal mate made a good unbiased judgement on this signing.
Some other posts have already touched on it.
He said its "A typical Wenger signing". I asked what he meant by that.
He reply was: "it's an unknown player, like how he used too.
No-one really knows about him. Other clubs probably don't have much of a clue either. Which is why this is a Wenger style gamble"
I've thought about this and there was a time were we had unknown players join us each year almost. Yes, a fraction of the gambles didn't pay off but the majority of them did. If you think about it each player is a gamble, you never know how a player moving clubs will be at his new home.
Wenger and the Scouts have obviously been watching him and have done so for some time. As mentioned there's a risk but a calculated risk.
How many times have we been watching a player before the likes of Real Madrid snap up a player for an over inflated price. Then we hear AW say "we were looking at him!"
Agree it's not the glossy signing we wanted but who was the last real big named signing? Wenger just doesn't do them.
Let's just say its a start and we'll see what else happens before we judge.
Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:I can't fathom the fact people are judging a player they have probably rarely seen just because they havn't heard of him. None of us can judge him until he gets a fair crack of the whip, some people were saying the same things about TV last year "too short, not played at the top level" - and look how that turned out. For Wenger to splash a reported £10m, he must have something about him, but none of us will be sure until he plays. Yes, he is unproven in the Prem - but 99% of players that join the Prem are, some float some sink - every transfer is a risk - but im sure we have done our homework on ths guy internally for him to be worth a shot. I actually think signing a "name" player has its own problems - bigger fee's, presure to succeed from the off and are usually under more critism if they do not perform, say to the level they did at a World Cup.
At least when Denilson gets a bashing people are judging it on something they have seen - this is madness, we all wanted signings and we are getting them, Arsene makes the decisions and he will stand and fall by them - but we cannot judge his signings before they have even had a training session - we should be positive in the fact that Wenger is making changes, not moan when we dont get signings then moan when we do!
We all agree that 2 CBs, a GK and a Striker were the minimum needed - Wenger seems to be adressing those very things and seems to be actively looking for more, he said he would make wholesale changes if the team didnt acheive last season, so lets wait and see, I for one can't wait.
And again I am saying that we are not judging the player as such but are saying that the fee is way too high for a guy as limited in experience as he is. Tbh I could cope with the fact that he has only played 1 season in french top flight if he was in the 18-21 year old bracket and was reasonably priced but this guy is neither We are in all probability talking about a guy that is going to be first choice alongside vermaelen next season and considering how defensively exposed this team generally is then that aint good or fair on the player either
Can I also slightly amend what you are saying was the minimum recruits needed cos what we actually need is quality recruits and not just recruits for the sake of it. Again I will say that the recruits to date and the impending transfer of schwarzer does not spell quality to me but more of the "can do a job" type of player which we already have in abundance
Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:I can't fathom the fact people are judging a player they have probably rarely seen just because they havn't heard of him. None of us can judge him until he gets a fair crack of the whip, some people were saying the same things about TV last year "too short, not played at the top level" - and look how that turned out. For Wenger to splash a reported £10m, he must have something about him, but none of us will be sure until he plays. Yes, he is unproven in the Prem - but 99% of players that join the Prem are, some float some sink - every transfer is a risk - but im sure we have done our homework on ths guy internally for him to be worth a shot. I actually think signing a "name" player has its own problems - bigger fee's, presure to succeed from the off and are usually under more critism if they do not perform, say to the level they did at a World Cup.
At least when Denilson gets a bashing people are judging it on something they have seen - this is madness, we all wanted signings and we are getting them, Arsene makes the decisions and he will stand and fall by them - but we cannot judge his signings before they have even had a training session - we should be positive in the fact that Wenger is making changes, not moan when we dont get signings then moan when we do!
We all agree that 2 CBs, a GK and a Striker were the minimum needed - Wenger seems to be adressing those very things and seems to be actively looking for more, he said he would make wholesale changes if the team didnt acheive last season, so lets wait and see, I for one can't wait.
And again I am saying that we are not judging the player as such but are saying that the fee is way too high for a guy as limited in experience as he is. Tbh I could cope with the fact that he has only played 1 season in french top flight if he was in the 18-21 year old bracket and was reasonably priced but this guy is neither We are in all probability talking about a guy that is going to be first choice alongside vermaelen next season and considering how defensively exposed this team generally is then that aint good or fair on the player either
Can I also slightly amend what you are saying was the minimum recruits needed cos what we actually need is quality recruits and not just recruits for the sake of it. Again I will say that the recruits to date and the impending transfer of schwarzer does not spell quality to me but more of the "can do a job" type of player which we already have in abundance
FFS augie just be thankful we've signed someone and actually paid for them
Take your time before reading posts!!!
do they not count? surely, as Koscielny was under contract, the fact that Lorient were reluctant to let their prize asset leave was the reason the price was high? after all, if the selling club don't have to sell, and don't want to sell, then it's only right that Arsenal use money to change their minds. I think it's called.... business! 
We are in all probability talking about a guy that is going to be first choice alongside vermaelen next season and considering how defensively exposed this team generally is then that aint good or fair on the player either 
